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German machete attack: At least one person killed

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posted on Jul, 25 2016 @ 02:35 PM
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originally posted by: jedi_hamster
the fact is you're spinning this thread like it's some islam defense front.

That's because I don't like to see innocents killed or badly affected in any way, so I don't like to see innocent Muslims being treated like criminals when they did nothing wrong.


the fact is, it's yet another muslim refugee killing people in europe. who cares WHY? the WHY is a question that should be asked later, first we need to stop this from happening, and one has to be an idiot to think it's just a coincidence that he was a muslim refugee.

No, the WHY it's the first question that should be asked, otherwise we are going down a path that may lead us to attack a Muslim for killing someone in self defence.

People kill people for all the reasons, assuming it was done because of their religion is wrong, at least to me.


so like it or not, the only line of defense is sending them all back where they came from before next attack happens.

From what I have seen of these recent attacks, the easiest way would be for the refugees to be jailed and sent back to their country the first time they act as criminals, people acting violently in the country that is receiving them are not welcome, so if they are "known by the police" they should be treated accordingly, either in jail or in hospital.


because IT WILL happen.
and it will be yet another muslim refugee killing innocents.
AGAIN.

I'm sure it will happen again, specially if they let them free after committing crimes, but I don't think we should ban all refugees because of a few bad people.




posted on Jul, 25 2016 @ 03:04 PM
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originally posted by: gps777
I don`t think I`m telling you anything you agree with.

You are mostly right.



posted on Jul, 25 2016 @ 03:37 PM
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a reply to: ArMaP

Should we ban Nazism? The Nazi party still exists. Shouldn't it be outlawed?



posted on Jul, 25 2016 @ 04:40 PM
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a reply to: TheFlyOnTheWall

This may not be a popular way of viewing things, but I don't think we should ban any idea, I think we should show people why we think their ideas are wrong and let people choose what they want with the information we give them.



posted on Jul, 25 2016 @ 05:23 PM
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From what I have seen of these recent attacks, the easiest way would be for the refugees to be jailed and sent back to their country the first time they act as criminals, people acting violently in the country that is receiving them are not welcome, so if they are "known by the police" they should be treated accordingly, either in jail or in hospital.


Sadly this did not happen after earlier incidents in which he wounded people.
It was indeed a polish woman which had caught his attention, he wanted her but she didn't want him, hence she is dead now.
After killing her he went after other people to kill, after severly wounding five others he was eventually hit with a car by someone in order to stop him.



posted on Jul, 25 2016 @ 05:52 PM
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originally posted by: ArMaP
a reply to: TheFlyOnTheWall

This may not be a popular way of viewing things, but I don't think we should ban any idea, I think we should show people why we think their ideas are wrong and let people choose what they want with the information we give them.


I know it's a slippery slope but if you don't ban an ideology which has historically proven itself to be malevolent, then you must be equally prepared to fight it. It could be 20 or 200 years from now and Fascist Nazism could once again be a global threat. This is why history always seems to repeat itself. Wouldn't it be prudent to outlaw Nazism as an ideology instead of just explaining to people why it's bad while crossing your fingers and legs? Germany, for example, made it illegal to have uniforms at protests. They've banned two Nazi parties in the past and are in the process of banning an additional neo-Nazi party. Can't really blame them eh?

But hey, not all Nazi's were bad people. Oskar Schindler comes to mind. Many Germans accepted Nazism but never had any intentions to kill Jews. Millions of Germans broken under the treaty of Versailles had no other choice, Hitler spoke of the economy and the people accepted the National Socialist party as their only hope. They weren't inherently "bad" people, just desperate people. Yet, the word Nazi is always associated with evil and wickedness. And rightfully so.

Perhaps by allowing Islam to flourish unimpeded in western societies, there will come a time when it too must undergo the same scrutiny. But westerners have not had their own "holocaust" inflicted on them by their Muslim guests yet. Other than the random (soon to be daily) lone attacks in Europe, the West has yet to experience the same horrors the Jews have.

I could ask you to be prudent but it seems the left side of the spectrum is willing to have their own experience in-spite of Islam's historical endeavors.


• 570 – Birth of Muhammad in Mecca into the tribe of Quraish.

• 577 – Muhammad’s mother dies.

• 595 – Muhammad marries, starts to have children.

• 605 – Placement of Black Stone in Ka’aba.

• 610 – Mohammed, in a cave, hears an angel tell him that Allah is the only true God.

• 613 – Muhammad’s first public preaching of Islam at Mt. Hira. Gets few converts.

• 615 – Muslims persecuted by the Quraysh.

• 619 – Marries Sau’da and Aisha

• 620 – Institution of five daily prayers .

• 622 – Muhammad immigrates from Mecca to Medina, gets more converts.

• 623 – Battle of Waddan

• 623 – Battle of Safwan

• 623 – Battle of Dul-‘Ashir

• 624 – Raids on caravans to fund the movement begin.

• 624 – Zakat becomes mandatory

• 624 – Battle of Badr

• 624 – Battle of Bani Salim

• 624 – Battle of Eid-ul-Fitr & Zakat-ul-Fitr

• 624 – Battle of Bani Qainuqa’

• 624 – Battle of Sawiq

• 624 – Battle of Ghatfan

• 624 – Battle of Bahran

• 625 – Battle of Uhud. 70 Muslims killed.

• 625 – Battle of Humra-ul-Asad

• 625 – Battle of Banu Nadir

• 625 – Battle of Dhatul-Riqa

• 626 – Battle of Badru-Ukhra

• 626 – Battle of Dumatul-Jandal

• 626 – Battle of Banu Mustalaq Nikah

• 627 – Battle of the Trench

• 627 – Battle of Ahzab

• 627 – Battle of Bani Qurayza

• 627 – Battle of Bani Lahyan

• 627 – Battle of Ghaiba

• 627 – Battle of Khaibar

• 628 – Muhammad signs treaty with Quraish. (The 628 Al-Hudaybiyya agreement, between the Prophet and the Meccan tribe of Quraish, was signed for a period of 10 years, which became, in Islamic tradition, the time limit for any agreement with non-Muslims. The agreement was broken after 18 months, Muhammad’s army then conquered Mecca)

• 630 – Muhammad conquers Mecca.

• 630 – Battle of Hunain.

• 630 – Battle of Tabuk

• 632 – Muhammad dies. The reign of the Caliphs begins.

• 632 – Abu-Bakr, Muhammad’s father-in-law, along with Umar, begin a military move to enforce Islam in Arabia.

• 633 – Battle at Oman

• 633 – Battle at Hadramaut.

• 633 – Battle of Kazima

• 633 – Battle of Walaja

• 633 – Battle of Ulleis

• 633 – Battle of Anbar

• 634 – Battle of Basra,

• 634 – Battle of Damascus

• 634 – Battle of Ajnadin.

• 634 – Death of Hadrat Abu Bakr. Hadrat Umar Farooq becomes the Caliph.

• 634 – Battle of Namaraq

• 634 – Battle of Saqatia.

• 635 – Battle of Bridge.

• 635 – Battle of Buwaib.

• 635 – Conquest of Damascus.

• 635 – Battle of Fahl.

• 636 – Battle of Yermuk.

• 636 – Battle of Qadsiyia.

• 636 – Conquest of Madain.

• 637 – Battle of Jalula.

• 638 – Battle of Yarmouk.

• 638 – The Muslims defeat the Romans and enter Jerusalem.

• 638 – Conquest of Jazirah.

• 639 – Conquest of Khuizistan and movement into Egypt.

• 641 – Battle of Nihawand

• 642 – Battle of Rayy in Persia

• 643 – Conquest of Azarbaijan

• 644 – Conquest of Fars

• 644 – Conquest of Kharan.

• 644 – Umar is murdered. Othman becomes the Caliph.

• 647 – Conquest of Cypress island.

• 644 – Uman dies, succeeded by Caliph Uthman.

• 648 – Byzantine campaign begins.

• 651 – Naval battle against Byzantines.

• 654 – Islam spreads into North Africa

• 656 – Uthman is murdered. Ali become Caliph.

• 658 – Battle of Nahrawan.

• 659 – Conquest of Egypt

• 661 – Ali is murdered.

• 662 – Egypt falls to Islam rule.

• 666 – Sicily is attacked by Muslims

• 677 – Siege of Constantinople

• 687 – Battle of Kufa

• 691 – Battle of Deir ul Jaliq

• 700 – Sufism takes root as a sect.

• 700 – Military campaigns in North Africa

• 702 – Battle of Deir ul Jamira

• 711 – Muslims invade Gibraltar

• 711 – Conquest of Spain

• 713 – Conquest of Multan

• 716 – Invasion of Constantinople

• 732 – Battle of Tours in France.

• 740 – Battle of the Nobles.

• 741 – Battle of Bagdoura in North Africa

• 744 – Battle of Ain al Jurr.

• 746 – Battle of Rupar Thutha

• 748 – Battle of Rayy.

• 749 – Battle of lsfahan

• 749 – Battle of Nihawand

• 750 – Battle of Zab

• 772 – Battle of Janbi in North Africa

• 777 – Battle of Saragossa in Spain



posted on Jul, 25 2016 @ 06:23 PM
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originally posted by: TheFlyOnTheWall
Germany, for example, made it illegal to have uniforms at protests. They've banned two Nazi parties in the past and are in the process of banning an additional neo-Nazi party. Can't really blame them eh?

Did Nazism disappear because of that? No, it's still present.

Making something forbidden only makes it more wanted by some people, I don't remember something being forbidden and disappearing because of that.

I know that Islam has a history of violence, but if it was really a violent religion we probably wouldn't be having this discussion here, as things would be much worse than they are now. Islam, like most (or even all, but I don't know them all) religions, has good things and bad things, too bad people don't get together and make a religion with only the good parts.



posted on Jul, 25 2016 @ 06:51 PM
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a reply to: ArMaP

Then we'll enter a renewed pagan culture, unwritten but conveyed through ritual symbolism and mythology.
Christianity destroyed a lot, christianized holy places and spokes of the great wheel, but the divine cannot be killed nor destroyed.



posted on Jul, 25 2016 @ 06:53 PM
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a reply to: earthling42

Maybe it would be better that way.



posted on Jul, 25 2016 @ 06:53 PM
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a reply to: ArMaP

It's only present in mind in Germany, not in politics. Sure, it's present in politics on other countries but they hardly have a majority enough to get in government. But that can always change. I understand critics say banning an ideology may encourage it to be desired, fair enough. But then be prepared to fight it.




I know that Islam has a history of violence, but if it was really a violent religion we probably wouldn't be having this discussion here


But if it were really a violent religion, we would already be dead. Yes, this argument is very popular but it's wrong to use it. Ask the Armenians if they feel the same way. They already had their holocaust. The reason we're not all dead by now is because Islam has it's opposition. If there wasn't anyone to oppose Islam, guaranteed you'd be prostrating yourself right now. Or paying the tax.



posted on Jul, 25 2016 @ 07:38 PM
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originally posted by: TheFlyOnTheWall
But if it were really a violent religion, we would already be dead. Yes, this argument is very popular but it's wrong to use it. Ask the Armenians if they feel the same way. They already had their holocaust.

If the Armenian genocide happened because of Islam being a violent religion, shouldn't that mean that all Islamic countries should be only Islamic countries, not allowing other religions?


The reason we're not all dead by now is because Islam has it's opposition. If there wasn't anyone to oppose Islam, guaranteed you'd be prostrating yourself right now. Or paying the tax.

That's speculation.



posted on Jul, 25 2016 @ 08:02 PM
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a reply to: ArMaP




If the Armenian genocide happened because of Islam being a violent religion, shouldn't that mean that all Islamic countries should be only Islamic countries, not allowing other religions?

Not sure what you mean. If you are intending to say other religions co-exist in Islamic countries therefore Islam is a non-violent religion, well that's not quite right. They exist only because they don't refute the Sharia law they live oppressed under. That's how the Armenians got slaughtered. They wanted human rights. Look, Islam doesn't need to force everyone to convert to succeed. They just need Sharia law. They won't just strike your head off for being a Christian, but if you refuse to submit to their laws then it's considered an act of aggression towards Islam. Then verses of the sword take play. Besiege them, smite them at the necks, kill them wherever you find them. That's how Islam rolls. You see, "they" decide what 's an act of aggression. Then in their circular logic, killing you is self-defense.



posted on Jul, 25 2016 @ 10:52 PM
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originally posted by: ArMaP


If the Armenian genocide happened because of Islam being a violent religion, shouldn't that mean that all Islamic countries should be only Islamic countries, not allowing other religions?



Whoa, by this it makes it sound again it was the Christians fault for being there. 1.5 Million slaughtered.

What if no one fought Nazi Germany the world would be saying Heil Hitler, they accomplished the death and destruction they did by indoctrinating the youth, its Islam's main goal to dominate the entire globe they are 1.6 billion strong and the west is allowing Islam to flourish in the west.

The same bed fellows of Nazi Germany was Islam, that Hitler had close ties to in the Islamic world. The same hate for the Jews who both want them eradicated, the Jews in Israel will have hard times ahead, but will NEVER be uprooted again from their land. All of this was prophesied to happen.

All the known middle east was once mainly peaceful Christian Country who were slaughtered by Mohamadians/Islam who`s wives and daughters were forced to be their sex slaves or forced to marry Muslims, some of these women were rapped in their fresh decapitated husbands blood.

How about that religion which is a bastardization of the Old and New Testament with splashes of Zoroastrianism (Jins and 72 virgins in paradise) should cease to exist for the good of all.

Not as we have it, bend over backwards allowing something so perverted and allow Islam to be taught in our public schools as a religion of peace etc and INSTEAD teach the true history and teachings of the religion. But the so called left or SJW`S see Islam as an enemy to Christianity, so its my enemies enemy is my friend, which will bring about their own destruction.

Real education of Islam is what's needed and the danger it is to everyone, not this fluffy stuff we have from the media or governments in the west as it is, but get to the root of the religion and also reach out to Muslims that are trapped in that death cult, which also comes with a death penalty for being a hypocrite or apostate.

Most are born into Islam, how hard it would be in getting out on their own with no family, who your own brothers duty it is to kill you.

Its Diabolical and demonically inspired and I mean that literally.

Nazism was defeated as a force to global peace and for a good cause, taking with it 60 million lives, though Nazism pales in comparison to Islam. A final battle like non other will take place, of good vs evil. Good wins.


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posted on Jul, 26 2016 @ 03:26 AM
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originally posted by: TheFlyOnTheWall
Look, Islam doesn't need to force everyone to convert to succeed. They just need Sharia law.

Sharia law is not used to the same extent in all Muslim countries.


They won't just strike your head off for being a Christian, but if you refuse to submit to their laws then it's considered an act of aggression towards Islam.

If someone doesn't want to submit to the laws of the country they live in then it's natural that they will be punished in some way, that happens everywhere, but even in countries like Iran, that apply Sharia law to all aspects of law, people from the "religions of the book" (Christians and Jews) have religious freedom.

I'm not saying that their system is good, far from it, as I think that religion, although allowed, obviously, should not be involved in the political or judicial system, but I think that what is presented as being Islam is not really what happens, specially because, once more, interpretation affects all religious texts, including the parts about Sharia and how it should be applied.



posted on Jul, 26 2016 @ 03:33 AM
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originally posted by: ArMaP

originally posted by: TheFlyOnTheWall
Look, Islam doesn't need to force everyone to convert to succeed. They just need Sharia law.

Sharia law is not used to the same extent in all Muslim countries.


They won't just strike your head off for being a Christian, but if you refuse to submit to their laws then it's considered an act of aggression towards Islam.

If someone doesn't want to submit to the laws of the country they live in then it's natural that they will be punished in some way, that happens everywhere, but even in countries like Iran, that apply Sharia law to all aspects of law, people from the "religions of the book" (Christians and Jews) have religious freedom.

I'm not saying that their system is good, far from it, as I think that religion, although allowed, obviously, should not be involved in the political or judicial system, but I think that what is presented as being Islam is not really what happens, specially because, once more, interpretation affects all religious texts, including the parts about Sharia and how it should be applied.

Actions speak louder than words, its a sad fact that in islam the actions and words come togather to show the true side of islam.



posted on Jul, 26 2016 @ 03:58 AM
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originally posted by: earthling42
a reply to: DAVID64

The problem is, many attackers were homegrown.
In my opinion, many refugees have more brains in their little toe than many homegrown muslims.
It is essentially left politics, in Germany (die linke) and their fascists that enables muslims to indoctrinate their children with radical poison.



Merkel is a conservative, although of course she merely follows orders with her plan... which doesn't actuallly seem to be hers at all, but that of the ESI (Europäische Stabilitätsinitiative - "European Initiative for Stability") that seems to rather go for European Instability, but I digress. It is funded by great people and institutions like George Soros' Open Society Institute, the Rockefeller Brothers Fund or the German Marshall Fund and other such great benefactors of humanity.

As for the radicalization/indoctrination, I think the turkish Imams that are pretty much selected by the turkish government and sent over here without being vetted one bit are a large part of the problem. Of course they don't preach in German and usually don't speak it anyway, since they tend to stay only for a short time before they are being replaced.



posted on Jul, 26 2016 @ 04:56 AM
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originally posted by: imod02



Actions speak louder than words, its a sad fact that in islam the actions and words come togather to show the true side of islam.


Very true.

That statement is backed by so many people who had neighbours that were Muslim who they thought were their friends but turned on them quickly when they were able to dominate, but also countries that had and have Islamic neighbours in the past and present.

Islamization of America and Jihad has been waged for many years, every area of government have been infiltrated to destroy America from within, while your own Government turns a blind eye and is allowing it to happen...


And on American schools, Universities and with the program from middle school grade 7 public school (4 years ago)...


Brigitte at time stamp 7:20 talks from first hand experience of having what she considered Muslim friends in Lebanon and what happened..



Interesting to note that she even as a Christian thought the Jews were the enemy because of their Arabic TV had programmed her to think so, for all the years her and her mum and dad suffered no country came to help except the Jews.

Egypt is the same Christians are always having their homes burnt down as well as the Church's and their Ministers murdered. In Egypt from their top Islamic University the Scholars gave the all clear to be able to eat adulterers and apostates etc, two video`s I forced myself to watch to see if true is on Walid Shoebat site that can be found with a bit of digging shows in one video a human slaughter house in Syria with people hanging upside down heads cut off with the blood drain out heads lined up along the wall, the other a video of a large S/steel bench with multiple body parts ie: arms legs etc being further processed, there is also reports of Kuru in many Syrians which is a disease contracted by eating human brain.

Egypt was once almost 100% Christian now its almost total Islamic.

Pakistan the Christians live in slums and are treated like scum, called sweepers because they are not allowed to hold a job above a Muslim.

On Patrol With Indonesia's Notorious Sharia Police
From time stamp 8.00 a woman was gang raped by 8 and is seen at fault because she invited it by wearing sexy clothes and this jerk smiles about it..


2005 Indonesian beheadings of Christian girls

The slaughters abuse and mistreatment that go on around the world by Islam/Sharia are way too many to list and could continually go on.

People have estimated that within 30-50 years America will be Islamic, we owe it to our grandchildren and those that fought and died for our freedom to stop this.
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posted on Jul, 26 2016 @ 07:57 AM
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originally posted by: gps777
Whoa, by this it makes it sound again it was the Christians fault for being there. 1.5 Million slaughtered.

I don't understand how you could interpret what I wrote that way.



What if no one fought Nazi Germany the world would be saying Heil Hitler, they accomplished the death and destruction they did by indoctrinating the youth, its Islam's main goal to dominate the entire globe they are 1.6 billion strong and the west is allowing Islam to flourish in the west.

That's why I said that, in the same way they got their followers by spreading information, the only way of combating an idea is the same as the way of spreading it, by spreading information, pointing where the other information is wrong.


All the known middle east was once mainly peaceful Christian Country who were slaughtered by Mohamadians/Islam who`s wives and daughters were forced to be their sex slaves or forced to marry Muslims, some of these women were rapped in their fresh decapitated husbands blood.

The conquests were, obviously, violent, but people could keep on living on Muslim-controlled areas without being killed or forced to convert, that happened in what is now Portugal, where I live, with some towns being conquered by the Moors, then by the Christians, then by the Moors and finally by Christians, while most of the population kept on living as before.

Relations between Christians and Muslims started to get worse in the 19th century, from the actions of the Ottoman Empire and the actions of the Western countries after the first world war.


Not as we have it, bend over backwards allowing something so perverted and allow Islam to be taught in our public schools as a religion of peace etc and INSTEAD teach the true history and teachings of the religion. But the so called left or SJW`S see Islam as an enemy to Christianity, so its my enemies enemy is my friend, which will bring about their own destruction.

That "my enemy's enemy is my friend" is one of the most stupid ideas, and after all these centuries many people appear to think it's good.

As an atheist, I don't see any reason to teach any religion in school, unless we are talking about specific religious studies, obviously, as I don't see why they should teach one religion (or two) and ignore all the others, as that looks like considering some religions more correct than others.


Real education of Islam is what's needed and the danger it is to everyone, not this fluffy stuff we have from the media or governments in the west as it is, but get to the root of the religion and also reach out to Muslims that are trapped in that death cult, which also comes with a death penalty for being a hypocrite or apostate.

That's what I have been saying, show people that they are wrong and they will change their minds. I know that some will never change their minds about any thing (we just have to look at ATS to see that), but the more people see they are wrong the more isolated those that remain attached to the wrong ways will be, and they will start to disappear.


Its Diabolical and demonically inspired and I mean that literally.

I'm not going to comment about that.



posted on Jul, 26 2016 @ 08:49 AM
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originally posted by: ArMaP


I don't understand how you could interpret what I wrote that way.



Firstly you stated ""if" the Armenian genocide happened because of Islam being a violent religion" is stated like you question whether it is the cause, while saying" shouldn't that mean that all Islamic countries should be only Islamic countries, not allowing other religions?" this Islamic religion stole killed and raped through all these countries to begin with, that the few remaining you think should leave and let them have their way, how would you feel if I told you that because you have Muslims in your country YOU should leave and if you don`t your decapitated or subjugated and your wife and daughter raped etc.



That's why I said that, in the same way they got their followers by spreading information, the only way of combating an idea is the same as the way of spreading it, by spreading information, pointing where the other information is wrong.


Thing is though its not being allowed to be properly combated, because when people do that's called hate speech and how do we speak to Muslims in Islamic countries which can carry a death sentence or jail etc.



The conquests were, obviously, violent, but people could keep on living on Muslim-controlled areas without being killed or forced to convert, that happened in what is now Portugal, where I live, with some towns being conquered by the Moors, then by the Christians, then by the Moors and finally by Christians, while most of the population kept on living as before.

By the letter of the Quran the only people allowed to live are Jews and Christians if we stop fighting back and feel ourselves subdued, though we are to be punished in this life harshly and pay the Jizya. What ISIS started doing to the remaining Christians before most fled, they still have 1000 or so Christian girls they keep as sex slaves as per Mohamad's example and teaching.



Relations between Christians and Muslims started to get worse in the 19th century, from the actions of the Ottoman Empire and the actions of the Western countries after the first world war.

The ships got stuck in the harbour in Turkey because of all the severed heads of the Armenian Christians and their hair tangled the ships propellers, all the others were butchered or marched into the desert until they died. Is what I know, lands that were stolen through bloody conquests.



That "my enemy's enemy is my friend" is one of the most stupid ideas, and after all these centuries many people appear to think it's good.

When people are desperate they can do stupid things and even yourself as an atheist can see it is, In all of this topic ArMaP I do see you are being mostly well intentioned, myself as a Christian see things from a Biblical perspective and things are going to get much worse than they are, its also hard for myself to hear of all my past Bro`s and sisters being slaughtered in their millions because of one false prophet madman. Not to mention all Millions of Hindu`s Africans etc who have also be unfortunate enough to come into contact with Islam.



As an atheist, I don't see any reason to teach any religion in school, unless we are talking about specific religious studies, obviously, as I don't see why they should teach one religion (or two) and ignore all the others, as that looks like considering some religions more correct than others.



Christ was for separation of Church and State imo "render unto Cesar what is Cesar`s and unto God what is..." and for free speech most of all the foundations of the west are built on similar principles from Christianity, this is another area where Islam doesn`t belong in western society. but yes I agree, if people send their children to public school leave religion to the parents.




I'm not going to comment about that.


Drats I wanted to respond lol


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posted on Jul, 26 2016 @ 09:18 AM
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originally posted by: DinobotIV
I'm glad someone had the initiative to run the nut over.


I'm sorry to have to say it, but if someone did that here in the UK, especially if they were white and the perp an immigrant/asian/black/gay/etc - then they'd be the ones going to prison AND getting sued by the nutter with the machette.



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