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originally posted by: gps777
Firstly you stated ""if" the Armenian genocide happened because of Islam being a violent religion" is stated like you question whether it is the cause,
while saying" shouldn't that mean that all Islamic countries should be only Islamic countries, not allowing other religions?" this Islamic religion stole killed and raped through all these countries to begin with, that the few remaining you think should leave and let them have their way,
how would you feel if I told you that because you have Muslims in your country YOU should leave and if you don`t your decapitated or subjugated and your wife and daughter raped etc.
Thing is though its not being allowed to be properly combated, because when people do that's called hate speech and how do we speak to Muslims in Islamic countries which can carry a death sentence or jail etc.
By the letter of the Quran the only people allowed to live are Jews and Christians if we stop fighting back and feel ourselves subdued, though we are to be punished in this life harshly and pay the Jizya. What ISIS started doing to the remaining Christians before most fled, they still have 1000 or so Christian girls they keep as sex slaves as per Mohamad's example and teaching.
When people are desperate they can do stupid things and even yourself as an atheist can see it is, In all of this topic ArMaP I do see you are being mostly well intentioned, myself as a Christian see things from a Biblical perspective and things are going to get much worse than they are, its also hard for myself to hear of all my past Bro`s and sisters being slaughtered in their millions because of one false prophet madman. Not to mention all Millions of Hindu`s Africans etc who have also be unfortunate enough to come into contact with Islam.
originally posted by: TheLaughingGod
If we really wanted to help these people we could have done a way better job of doing it in their own home countries, we could have pressured Muslim countries to take these people in. Specifically Saudi Arabia that has over 2 million unoccupied air conditioned tents. It would have been way cheaper too.
What I meant was that if one religion is a violent religion per se then I would expect all people from that religion to behave in the same way, everywhere, so it would be "natural" for them to kill all people from other religions in their countries, and that doesn't happen.
Hate speech exists, we only have to look at this thread, and if anyone wants to explain something to someone else then the natural way of doing it is with politeness, otherwise your attempt to show them they are wrong is only be going to see as, at least, a negative view, instead of being seen as a way of them becoming better human beings. Also, the fact that we cannot reach the people living in the most radical countries doesn't mean we couldn't do it in the other countries, starting with our own, as once again, the more people we can make understand that are acting in a wrong way the easier it will be to convince other people.
Context is important, although some Muslims use the Quran in the way that better serves their interests (like many people do with whatever text they get their hands on), some make a distinction between what were specific conditions at specific times and what were the ideas to be applied in the future.
Yes, desperate people can do stupid things, that's why I think we should start by making it harder for people to get desperate. Saying things that only provoke other people is only fuelling the fire that keeps people separated from each other, either because of religion, politics, favourite soccer team, whatever. The sooner people see that human beings are all the same the sooner they will see that it's easy to live with people with different ideas. Unfortunately, people that shown an enemy, real or not, are easier to control and more predictable in their actions, even the violent ones, so many rulers prefer to keep things that way.
I suppose that we have reached a point in this discussion where the only thing that separates our opinions is what a Muslim thinks he/she should do. As neither of us is a Muslim and, apparently, there isn't a Muslim watching this discussion that wants to give us his/her opinion,
I don't see a reason for continuing the discussion, specially as it looks like it is turning too much into a discussion between religions.
originally posted by: gps777
This I disagree with, one doesn`t need to be a Muslim to read or learn and understand Mohamad and his example and teachings.
The video I put up was 100% specific to Islam, it just happens to be two Christians using the top respected Islamic scholars as sources to prove Mohamad was false.
Yep thanks anyway, hope all stays relatively good in Portugal.