Turn on the pyramid...

a reply to: blackcrowe

well i was making a joke about the video, making an emergency light, in the dark obviously ( or you wouldnt need it) but never mind, just that the jars will be very very weak, in volts, and negligble amperage.if they were lighting a city then you must manufacture a lot of stuff and batteries are not going to power it. if you use carbon arc the city will burn down immediately or you must be able to make light bulbs.
and if it is a battery it will not burn your pencil, its totally inefficient.
one thing to tap a potential, another thing to store something you cant detect.
its like trying to store sunshine

a reply to: username74

Sorry i didn't get the joke. It's been a long day.
My Baghdad batteries are running low.

a reply to: blackcrowe

yeah been roofing, myself.
40 celsius
but check out this
en.wikipedia.org...
so this is a method of storing static charge.
the sort of charge the earth holds.
so for example when sun heats mountains. the rock becomes positively charged, from friction of wind and sun, the negatively charged cold rain clouds passing over must equalise potential difference- lightning
there has been some experimentation
paleotecnolog.com... so thats for inspiration, tho i havent checked it
blog.world-mysteries.com... hers some conjecture also un checked
it might give you food for thought, but whats theoretically possible may not be applicable to your enviroment
or your equipment

a reply to: username74

en.wikipedia.org...
which maybe another theoretical progression
and if you really want to see atmospheric potential you can get some
www.arcsandsparks.com...
but to build this thing (pyramid) that has "invisible" potential properties
and then to view it as a shaped lump with various combinations of water and air (and whatever chemicals you want) in itthen in context of the ancient egyptians, it does to the "untutored" eye start to look a little "cargo cult" ish
en.wikipedia.org...

a reply to: username74

I like the first link, and the Franklin bells link. Although, i know very little about electricity. So would be wrong for me to comment on it. Interesting though.
The other 2 links are a bit far fetched for me.

a reply to: blackcrowe

well theres no reason you cant find out, in your own time. if the links look far fetched chase down the proposed mechanisms in theory. on wiki or such. you will soon spot the dreamers.
just for my tuppence i would say those jars are not scroll jars, either. there are better ways to keep your papers

a reply to: username74

I agree the scrolls suggestion might be suspect.
I think the shape would be more cylindrical to store scrolls.
There's no need for them to look like fluid containers. Unless they held fluids.

a reply to: blackcrowe
The artifacts are contemporary with the height of the Roman Empire.
Do you believe that, if these jars had such an amazing use as electrical power, they would have gone unremarked in Roman writings?

Harte

a reply to: Harte
Thanks.
As i said when i put that video up.
I don't dispute the official view.
But, i do think they could have used a tube shape to store scrolls. That's my only gripe i have with it.
As for batteries. I doubt that.
I put the video up to show that making light wasn't too hard.
But. I just tried it out with a 1.5v battery. And. Bugger all happened.
I never got into the Baghdad battery thing because i can't see the logic of how would you know you'd made a battery. Then, finding a suitable use for it. Makes no sense to me.
I'm definitely not into the mystery and magic side of ancient technology.

a reply to: Harte

hmmm. is it like a humidifier? because you can use, in the absence of a good potato, some orange peel.
perhaps thats how the citric battery affair came about?

originally posted by: blackcrowe
a reply to: Harte

As i said when i put that video up.
I don't dispute the official view.
But, i do think they could have used a tube shape to store scrolls. That's my only gripe i have with it.

Remember that the technology of the "Baghdad Batteries" is 2,000 years AFTER the pyramids...and is not an Egyptian technology.

We have the remains of a number of temple libraries dating back to at least the Middle Kingdom (about 200 years after the Giza pyramids were built. The scrolls were not stored in tubes.

jars were used to score scrolls in the ancient world
this is the jar that the dead sea scrolls were found in and date to the same period

Their usage is no mystery, you'd have to be extremely badly informed and probably delusional to think they were used for anything else

a reply to: Byrd

Thanks.
I suppose they stored a few scrolls in one jar then. That makes sense.
As i said. I never got into the jars.
It's the structures and how they built them, i'm interested in.
I'll just comment on that from now.

a reply to: Marduk

Thanks.
The pic helps.

a reply to: blackcrowe

well, you got served and you asked for it, but your humility is a credit to you.
dont let it crush your reasonable inquiries
you know twice as much about electrical theory than you did last week
and you opposed the status quo which must justify itself or it holds no sway
kudos
you are better informed about the natural world and potentially more resourceful
bad dogma!

originally posted by: blackcrowe
a reply to: Byrd

Thanks.
I suppose they stored a few scrolls in one jar then. That makes sense.
As i said. I never got into the jars.
It's the structures and how they built them, i'm interested in.
I'll just comment on that from now.

Not Egyptians. The Jews did during a time when (about 1800 years after the Giza pyramids) they were afraid their literature and religion might not survive the Romans.

There are some scroll cases (carried by messengers) from the Roman empire and earlier. In general, books (scrolls) were kept in cabinets (we've found cabinets with scrolls in the Egyptian temples)

Jars don't make sense (too hard to get documents out of).

originally posted by: Marduk
jars were used to score scrolls in the ancient world

But only in special cases - hiding documents during a siege or when a group was under attack. They make lousy library shelves, though.

a reply to: username74

Sounds right.

a reply to: Byrd

Thanks.
I'm not getting into the artifacts area. Unless they're construction related.
I'll stick to what i can relate to.
Your's and Marduk's replies have helped.

a reply to: blackcrowe

whats interesting, here, for me, is i gave you physical reasons why the battery is unlikely, the more educated among us gave you philology and the paradigm and never touched upon the viability/ or lack thereof, of such a system.
more correctly your idea was initially rebuffed because it didnt fit, not because it doesnt work, because it will.