a reply to: 2012newstart
I understand how some honest believers seeing the sin in the Western societies, explain the things with the West being the heads of beast or the
harlot. Hpwever they make a mistake to underestimate the non-Western civilizations as potent enough to make the rise of the antichrist. History would
help seeing all those historical maps with the Caliphate much bigger than the remains of the Roman empire (Byzantium) and then the Western
Christendom. Let also not forget the Caliphate ruled over Iberia peninsula (today Spain and Portugal) for some 600 years.
Since colonialism we cannot anymore believe of a potent enough Islamic state to be a danger for the nuclear armed West. Instead, Russia and China are
portrayed as such. But we have to keep in mind history knows changes. Our 20-21 century is not the only period in history. Now we already have the
first Islamic state Pakistan with a hundred nuclear weapons. The danger of leaking some of them to militant organizations including IS is too big to
be underestimated. We witness the unprecedented wave of migration in millions, with proven traces of members of Daesh and other militant groups
already residing in the EU as part of that migration stream. The pope compared the refuge seeking poor families to the conquests of the nations of
old, however the proportions are quite bigger. Never ever in history there were MILLIONS migrant flows who try to turn Germany and Italy into Muslim
countries, not to accept Christianity as it were in the early centuries invasions.
We have to know Muslim eschatology, no matter how much we disagree with it. Dabiq, insignificant village in Northern Syria, appears to be for them
what is for us Armageddon. The place of the final battle for them between the armies of "Rome" and their armies, in which they expect after heavenly
intervention to be granted ultimate victory. IS took over Dabiq in 2015, I don't know if it is still in their control.
One may say, but that is all nonsense. Well, yes, believed by a billion and a half people who are ready to die for that nonsense. Let not miscalculate
the danger of the clash between civilizations, as St John Paul II predicted, the way the Byzantium Christian kingdom underestimated the danger of
Arabs and Ottomans at the time it engaged in wars between Christian kingdoms, including the invasion of the 4th Crusade to Constantinople, not to the
Holy Land. Centuries and enormous human and material resources were spent for fight between Western and Eastern Christianity, not to count the
spiritual loses of such fight. The result, the Ottomans reached Vienna and Lepanto, only a step away to take Rome. Although the following centuries
proved the Ottoman empire could be a powerful ally of the Western colonial states, the danger of the militant Islam is out there. You need to visit
only one Muslim city as tourist for a week, to understand the powers of spiritual character we are talking about. If they were to be employed full
scale towards what we know as Christian civilization, the outcome may indeed be a destroyed Rome and end of papacy the way we know it. Not the end of
Christianity or Catholic Church that is spread to all continents. The Christianity lost its vitality in the last century and is more a museum relic
than a lived religion. It is not so with the Muslim religion, that knows both ups and downs, both peace and war doctrines (as it were with
Christianity during the crusades).
Of course I hope the reason will prevail, as some leading clerics of Muslim world show readiness for dialogue and recently met with pope Francis.
To end with something optimistic. We have to transcend the current historic moment and the idea the antichrist MUST be here and now. Even if the next
pope is not called pope and not residing in Rome, we have to see it as a process that leads the Church (all of them) beyond a certain historic moment
of downfall. And, it is better if we start contemplating the last words of Jesus that I quoted in previous post. That God's world is bigger than our
limited view of it, that stretched to Americas and Indias but is still quite limited in scope. We may never convert all Muslims and Buddhists to
Christianity and it may not be required by God as well (after all everyone has a free will). Still, we should seek after the big picture that goes
beyond the current stalemate, even beyond earth.
The other option is nuclear war, no matter if it is started by the Pakistani sponsored terrorists , by insane North Korea, or someone else. It is the
end not only of the Christian but also of the Human civilization. Unfortunately there are those who call themselves Christians who long for Armageddon
and push for it by all means. Believing they will achieve their verse of God's kingdom thru it. What is the difference with the militant Islam then?
Only the names are changed. I believe that won't be the ultimate victory though. As of the Second Coming, Jesus cannot be more precise: not even the
Son knows but only the Father. He may come tomorrow, defeating the current antichrists, but also he may come after 2000 years. If nobody knows that
means nobody knows. We cannot stand and wait passively as some artificial armageddon unfolds, and say "God will save us". If that was the case, he
would send us angels.
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