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originally posted by: Irishhaf
a reply to: SudoNim
Edited out the question;
Also the Orlando shooter was investigated more thoroughly than I was before I got permission to work around Nukes.... so what law would have stopped that shooting?
ETA: so you are telling me a gun has never saved a womans, or a childs life, or an elderly persons life?
originally posted by: SudoNim
originally posted by: Irishhaf
a reply to: SudoNim
Edited out the question;
Also the Orlando shooter was investigated more thoroughly than I was before I got permission to work around Nukes.... so what law would have stopped that shooting?
ETA: so you are telling me a gun has never saved a womans, or a childs life, or an elderly persons life?
No i'm saying that the occasions of it saving a life are outweighed by the occasion that it costs a life.
If Car Deaths/Injuries were higher than Safely Completed Car Journeys... we would ban cars.
Gun Deaths/Injuries are higher than Instances were a Gun Prevents Death/Injury... why don't we ban them?
originally posted by: JinMI
originally posted by: SudoNim
originally posted by: Irishhaf
a reply to: SudoNim
Edited out the question;
Also the Orlando shooter was investigated more thoroughly than I was before I got permission to work around Nukes.... so what law would have stopped that shooting?
ETA: so you are telling me a gun has never saved a womans, or a childs life, or an elderly persons life?
No i'm saying that the occasions of it saving a life are outweighed by the occasion that it costs a life.
If Car Deaths/Injuries were higher than Safely Completed Car Journeys... we would ban cars.
Gun Deaths/Injuries are higher than Instances were a Gun Prevents Death/Injury... why don't we ban them?
So you're saying out of all the guns in circulation, more have been used to kill than not?
originally posted by: awareness10
a reply to: SudoNim
I do believe there is more worry over Nuclear Warfare than mere gun owners whom legally and rightfully have guns written into the Second Amendment by the Founders of America.
The US bombing Hiroshima didn't destroy millions of peoples lives because of a Gun, the Gov't wants to take people who are Lawful and Abiding Citizens Guns away because of a few. Perhaps the Gov't shouldn't have Nukes? They've been proven Guilty, they destroyed a Japanese City of innocent people, and the effects are still on going.
I mean Nukes are highly destructive as we all have seen. People pay the Gov't to watch out for them, not turn their lives into a Nanny State because of the few who cannot abide by 'The Law'. Innocent before proven Guilty.
originally posted by: SudoNim
a reply to: Irishhaf
Sorry but your wife is more likely to die if you own a gun than if you didn't.
How about America turns into a less dangerous country, like most of the other civilised countries.
Laws don't stop criminals? Source please.
So you are not in America right now? How on earth did you survive and protect your wife while outside of America.
originally posted by: enlightenedservant
a reply to: neo96
What's that have to do with my post?
And if arms control laws don't work, why can't I buy one of these shoulder fired rocket launchers to protect my family? They're certainly shorter than some rifles. And who knows when a bunch of criminals might try to attack us.
ETA: In fact, that example is also proof that arms control laws do work. Have you seen how heavily armed some rebel groups and paramilitaries are? They can have howitzers, anti-aircraft weapons, tanks, small attack helicopters, and much more. So why don't American gangs and crime rings have those? they don't have them because our arms control laws have eliminated that threat. Otherwise, gangs would be shooting bazookas at police cars and anti-aircraft weapons at police helicopters.
originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: SudoNim
Guns Deaths this year 5,486 / 357,000,000 guns in US circulation
Vehicle Related deaths this year 18,996 / 253,000,000 Cars on US roads.
The numbers for cars and gun owned can not be exact for obvious reasons but it more than makes my point.
www.romans322.com...
www.washingtonpost.com...
www.latimes.com...
So tell me more about how we're banning cars?
originally posted by: SudoNim
a reply to: Dragoon01
This is the point that seems to go over everyone's heads. It's astonishing really.
If you could guarantee that EVERYONE could act in a sensible, reasonable and safe manner than nothing would need to be banned/controlled. But since we don't live in this fantasy world it is SAFER to apply bans/controls on anything that could be dangerous.
Everyone is so f*cking self-involved that they take it personally.
No-one is saying YOU, YES YOU PERSONALLY, are going to kill people or should not own a gun.
They are saying that if the same methods and rights you have to own a gun are applied to everyone then there are people who will abuse this and result endanger other lives. This is why it needs to be controlled.
It's already been established that guns don't protect people, so if controls or bans could save lives why shouldn't you try it?
Because your selfish? Because of "IT WON'T BE ME" attitude.
Everyone thinks "I'm not a murderer so why can't I have a gun", I'm betting some murderers held the same opinion before something turned them to crime.
I just can't get over how self-absorbed, selfish and ignorant some gun owners can be. It' shows a huge lack of intelligence.
originally posted by: SudoNim
a reply to: Irishhaf
Sorry but your wife is more likely to die if you own a gun than if you didn't.
How about America turns into a less dangerous country, like most of the other civilised countries.
Laws don't stop criminals? Source please.
So you are not in America right now? How on earth did you survive and protect your wife while outside of America.