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German minister criticises 'warmongering' Nato exercises

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posted on Jun, 19 2016 @ 08:28 AM
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And yet we have this...


The Dutch rejection of an EU-Ukraine deal isn’t about Ukraine



But the referendum wasn’t about Ukraine. In fact, the referendum’s organizers publicly declared last week in one of the nation’s leading newspapers that they could not care less about Ukraine. In their view, the EU is an undemocratic institution, run by technocrats, that does not respect the will of the people. What the leaders of the “no” campaign really sought, then was to derail an EU move and/or pressure the Netherlands leave the EU. If that means misusing a public vote, so be it.


www.brookings.edu...

I see you did your research again...




posted on Jun, 19 2016 @ 08:28 AM
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Double Post.
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posted on Jun, 19 2016 @ 08:29 AM
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Yes they are.


Just one more thing.

To be a superstate first you first need to be a union which is exactly what the EU is a Union. When a Union takes more and more lands and countries what you think it becomes? a superstate of smaller satellite countries.



posted on Jun, 19 2016 @ 08:31 AM
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Really so your posting giving me a source from brookings and who are the bigger defenders of the European Union in General.




I see you did your research again...


From your own post.




According to the organizers, this agreement was supposedly a first step towards EU membership for Ukraine.


The deal was about the EU mixed in with Ukraine.



posted on Jun, 19 2016 @ 08:32 AM
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originally posted by: Raven95
But by all means if NATO wants to attack Russia first i say let them try. And we shall see what will happen shall we? Russia is not the one trying to be a superstate here.


What? They exercise how to respond to an attack from the east, not how to attack the east.

And I don't see what it has to do with the topic, but as you mentioned the lost children.
The children traffic is often in the hands of people like you. The same as the sex slavery exploitation of women, also often their own men behind that.
Russian mafia, is a problem but is not a European cultural issue, it's just where they make their business. The same goes for all criminal gangs, that's not a political agenda, that's mafia crime.

As long as russia doesn't want to be a superstate, it's all good isn't it?
Then all their neighbouring countries can make politics as they see fit, join EU, or NATO, if they want to, or establish more alliances with Russia if that's what they want.



posted on Jun, 19 2016 @ 08:34 AM
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Also from your own link.

The brookings hate a real demcartic process outcome.



While the “no” voters probably do not constitute an actual majority, they have made their point—at least until politicians do their job and more citizens take responsibility. In the meantime, a state that was once a proud founding father of the European project has further marginalized itself.


So Voters who voted no in a majority were not a real actual majority nice theory from the Dutch Government and its not a wonder why the Dutch government hates future referendum.



posted on Jun, 19 2016 @ 08:36 AM
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Putin admitted to planning the Crimean annexation beforehand on tape. In a documentary about the annexation of Crimea. Produced by Russian TV. So now the state owned Russian media is just Western propaganda?



posted on Jun, 19 2016 @ 08:38 AM
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What? They exercise how to respond to an attack from the east, not how to attack the east.

Russia is not planning a attack on Poland or Israel. NATO is fully preparing exercises how to attack Russia from the east, why you think they wanted Canada for?

Canada is a peace keeper nation not a WAR MONGER like NATO is.




Then all their neighbouring countries can make politics as they see fit, join EU, or NATO, if they want to, or establish more alliances with Russia if that's what they want.


Oh please. Serbia was bombed, its civilian infrastructures destroyed and threaten by the west that they can side with the Russians.




posted on Jun, 19 2016 @ 08:40 AM
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Putin admitted to planning the Crimean annexation beforehand on tape. In a documentary about the annexation of Crimea.

Ah right so if its documentary says so it must be true right?


Just like how if bush claimed in a documentary that Saddam WMDs are in Syria that would make true right?



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posted on Jun, 19 2016 @ 08:43 AM
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or establish more alliances with Russia if that's what they want.

When your a EU/NATO member you as a member are not allowed to make alliances with Russia. How many countries now who are with NATO have alliances with Russia?

Zero.



posted on Jun, 19 2016 @ 08:45 AM
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Once again, these are not new exercises. Were these same exercises about attacking Russia when Russia was taking part in them?

Canada's presence was requested because they are a NATO member. If Article 5 is invoked they will be expected to field troops. It is better for those troops to have training in all possible theaters than only training on home ground.



posted on Jun, 19 2016 @ 08:46 AM
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Okay. Enjoy your phantasy bubble.
You lost touch with reality.

Have a nice day.



posted on Jun, 19 2016 @ 08:50 AM
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How is that comparison in any way the same. Putin is stating something he did on film. I thought Putin was a person of morality. Why would he lie in this instance?



posted on Jun, 19 2016 @ 08:51 AM
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Canada's presence was requested because they are a NATO member.



Yes they are a NATO but its a Peace keeping force not a war monger force like America whose replacing governments after they invade or bomb the place.

Canada rejected.

Source

There is a difference between peace keeping and war mongering.



posted on Jun, 19 2016 @ 08:54 AM
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How is that comparison in any way the same.

It is, because i know that NeoCons would love to find any excuse to invade Syria over the nonexistent WMDs so if Bush said it in a documentary they and war mongers would be using that footage as an example of proof.

The same way you are using that one little snip of the documentary and have you seen the full documentary ? probably not.



posted on Jun, 19 2016 @ 08:54 AM
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So Russia was war mongering when they were taking part in these exercises?



posted on Jun, 19 2016 @ 08:55 AM
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I guess that makes the Serbs also little green men to?



posted on Jun, 19 2016 @ 08:56 AM
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One last fyi
2010 german defence experts wrote an open letter to Russia asking it to join the NATO.
The Ukraine crisis ended that discussion. Or made it obvious why Russia had declined.



posted on Jun, 19 2016 @ 08:57 AM
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If Mexico had send troops near the American borders for a exercise what would that be called by the media?
Aggression? exercises?
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posted on Jun, 19 2016 @ 08:59 AM
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The Ukraine crisis ended that discussion. Or made it obvious why Russia had declined.

No its clear why Russia had declined it. Also American senators have no rights meddling in affairs of other countries, they should be more fixated on helping their states.
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