German minister criticises 'warmongering' Nato exercises

a reply to: Raven95

Aha. No. It shows turkish german relations are at a new low, german MPs are receiving death threats, from turkey, this is no afd/opposition issue. Because it is foreign relations, not national politics.
Do you understand that? Because it makes your argument invalid.

The decision to take part in the NATO exercises went through the normal political democratic process.
Which means a majority of both Bundestag and Bundesrat voted in favour.

If turkey would allow the migrants to move on, they would still first have to cross European outer boarders. If they do that illegally they loose their rights to apply for asylum.

a reply to: Raven95

Do you even understand that no country has to take in refufees/migrants if they don't want to. Somehow you believe there is a law that says they have to take them in...they don't and they can deport them if they want.

As far as somebody being out of touch with reality...that would be you.

The fact that you respond the way you do is very telling...your not looking to debate, as your thinking your right although when shown to be wrong you make snide comments...not a good debate tactic.

Also stay on the premise of the thread as you are all over the place jumping back and forth...again not a good debate tactic.

a reply to: Peeple

If turkey would allow the migrants to move on, they would still first have to cross European outer boarders. If they do that illegally they loose their rights to apply for asylum.

It wont matter they will send them anyway, no one is stopping the black markets nor the underground criminal world. You think a few simple laws would stop turkey or the black markets nor the underground? lol.

The decision to take part in the NATO exercises went through the normal political democratic process.

Russia is and does not pose a threat to Europe it never did. The fact NATO begged Canada to join the exercises shows they have something more in mind then just a few exercises.

Military exercises do always lead and unit of to wars. And start of wars. I know the Germans very well and i know they dont want a war with Russia as it only benefits the ego of the Americans and NATO's very own existence.

A War would with Russia would justify NATO's existence.

If they do that illegally they loose their rights to apply for asylum.

Majority of those migrants dont even care about asylum to tell you the truth.

a reply to: tsurfer2000h

As far as somebody being out of touch with reality...that would be you.

Actually your quite wrong about that one.

Do you even understand that no country has to take in refufees/migrants if they don't want to. Somehow you believe there is a law that says they have to take them in...they don't and they can deport them if they want.

No one is stopping the black markets as for the deporting part.

They can only deport them if they commit a crime. Thats the law for every migrant.


Unlike you i dont live in a fantasy where every day the skies are filed with Rainbows and some here are saying hey dont worry about the migrants chill! they wont change Europe.

I live in reality and your opinion these days are a minority.

originally posted by: Raven95
a reply to: tsurfer2000h


They can only deport them if they commit a crime. Thats the law for every migrant.

Entering a country illegally is a crime.

a reply to: Peeple

No one is stopping them, in Western Europe if you have the power and money and influence you can bribe the police. No seemed to stop when those who took 10,000 Migrant Children and were taken by the same groups in the underground criminal world.

a reply to: Raven95

Can you translate that to english? "No seemed stopped"???
Or have any statistics to support your claim? This isn't russia, police isn't that easy to bribe.
What 10 000 children? Any links?

Their are military exercises all year long. Why are we bothering to focus on one? Before Russia started causing trouble in region they used to be a part of them. Did that make Russia a NATO warmonger?

a reply to: MrSpad

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Their are military exercises all year long.

military exercises can became invasions

Before Russia started causing trouble in region they used to be a part of them.

Always blaming Russia for everything that America whenever they start up those colored revolutions. Russia belongs in that.

You Americans seem to forget that your the ones backing those peacefully little Nazis on the right sector and the Svoboda party whom were the majority of the PRO EUROPEAN UNION PROTEST.

a reply to: Peeple

This isn't russia, police isn't that easy to bribe.

It seems you haven't traveled to Italy very often.

What 10 000 children? Any links?

Have you being living under a rock?
Source

But by all means if NATO wants to attack Russia first i say let them try. And we shall see what will happen shall we? Russia is not the one trying to be a superstate here.

a reply to: Raven95

He's not blaming Russia for the exercise. He's pointing out Russia's hypocrisy. Just a few short years ago Russia was taking part in this and similar other NATO exercises. Why wasn't this same exercise seen as a threatening move then?

a reply to: Raven95

Always blaming Russia for everything that America whenever they start up those colored revolutions. Russia belongs in that.

Russia get's blamed when they do it...

Let's look at Ukraine shall we.

Months before the actual protests happened this is what Russia had to say about Ukraine trying to join the EU...

Glazyev, speaking on the sidelines of the discussion, said the exact opposite was true: "Ukrainian authorities make a huge mistake if they think that the Russian reaction will become neutral in a few years from now. This will not happen." Instead, he said, signing the agreement would make the default of Ukraine inevitable and Moscow would not offer any helping hand. "Russia is the main creditor of Ukraine.

Only with customs union with Russia can Ukraine balance its trade," he said. Russia has already slapped import restrictions on certain Ukrainian products and Glazyev did not rule out further sanctions if the agreement was signed. The Kremlin aide added that the political and social cost of EU integration could also be high, and allowed for the possibility of separatist movements springing up in the Russian-speaking east and south of Ukraine.

He suggested that if Ukraine signed the agreement, Russia would consider the bilateral treaty that delineates the countries' borders to be void. "We don't want to use any kind of blackmail. This is a question for the Ukrainian people," said Glazyev. "But legally, signing this agreement about association with EU, the Ukrainian government violates the treaty on strategic partnership and friendship with Russia." When this happened, he said, Russia could no longer guarantee Ukraine's status as a state and could possibly intervene if pro-Russian regions of the country appealed directly to Moscow. "Signing this treaty will lead to political and social unrest," said the Kremlin aide. "The living standard will decline dramatically … there will be chaos."

www.theguardian.com...

And how can one forget this...

Putin admits planning annexation of Crimea weeks before referendum

www.ibtimes.co.uk...

Now let's look at Georgia shall we...

After a meeting with his Armenian counterpart, Serzh Sargsyan, in the Kremlin, Putin confirmed to journalists the accuracy of some of the “Lost Day” allegations. According to Putin, the plan to invade Georgia was prepared in advance and “the Russian side acted within the framework of that plan.” The General Staff of the Armed Forces prepared the plan of military action against Georgia “at the end of 2006, and I authorized it in 2007,” continued Putin. According to the plan, heavy weaponry and troops were prepared and mobilized for the coming invasion.

www.jamestown.org...

But of course Russia has done nothing wrong and are the victims while invading their neighbors and annexing part of one sovereign country.

Again your research is deplorable and the Putin fan boying is seriously funny.

a reply to: Xcalibur254

Why wasn't this same exercise seen as a threatening move then?

Because Putin couldn't play the victim card then as though he can use it now, but that doesn't stop him from trying.

a reply to: Xcalibur254

Just a few short years ago Russia was taking part in this and similar other NATO exercises.

Well then lets compare the differences between then and now.

A few Years ago.

The middle east a few years had Saddam "Before 04" and Assad and Gaddafi in the region, America wasn't provoking China over the South China seas.

Ukraine was a bit stable.

Georgia was a minor event. Russia responded to the shelling on the civilians in Ossetia but hey even in 2008 Russians were to be blamed for that to.

The difference now?


-Saudi Arabia and Allies of America gulf states want Assad gone replaced by their own Kin. Proxy War not going well for rebels.

-2015 Remember how badly everyone wanted to intervene in Syria while Libya was already on fire.

-2014 Pro European Union protests, protesters armed with weapons remove a democratically elected president.

McCain appearance in Kiev made the tensions a lot worse.


And now you why.
Russia wasn't the one whining.

a reply to: tsurfer2000h

Putin admits planning annexation of Crimea weeks before referendum

This is coming from the same news outlets, who claimed that Iraq had WMDs and famously accused the Iranian president.
Of denying the Holocaust.


About Jamestown.

Founded in 1984 by William Geimer, The Jamestown Foundation made a direct contribution to the downfall of Communism through its dissemination of information about the closed totalitarian societies of Eastern Europe and the Soviet Union.

By drawing on our ever-growing global network of experts, Jamestown has become a vital source of unfiltered, open-source information about major conflict zones around the world—from the Black Sea to Siberia, from the Persian Gulf to Latin America and the Pacific. Our core of intellectual talent includes former high-ranking government officials and military officers, political scientists, journalists, scholars and economists. Their insight contributes significantly to policymakers engaged in addressing today's newly emerging global threats in the post 9/11 world.

So its a CFR NGO front, that promotes the American agendas in eurasia.

a reply to: tsurfer2000h

Russia gets blamed for everything even if Britain votes out Russia and Putin will blamed upon as they were on the Dutch referendum.
If America losses the Proxy war in Syria blame Russia. Etc..

Source

The Dutch “no” vote also represents a victory for Russia, which has long sought to derail the Ukraine pact. It comes despite the downing of Malaysia Airlines Flight 17, shot down over eastern Ukraine in July 2014 by a Russian-made missile, killing 196 Dutch citizens. The echoes of the disaster have reverberated throughout the referendum campaign; opponents said the EU overtures helped destabilize Ukraine.

a reply to: tsurfer2000h

The link about James Town that you posted as a source, William Geimer is someone who viewed Zbigniew Brzezinski as "a patriot with a vision, an idealist with a program, and a leader who knew how to get things done.


So thats not a reablie source.

a reply to: Raven95

But by all means if NATO wants to attack Russia first i say let them try.

First off NATO is not an offensive group...they are defensive.

And we shall see what will happen shall we?

You are delusional if you think Russia would have a chance in a fight against NATO...but of course the only chance they have is the use of nukes which Putin like to use as his main battle cry...funny how you just dismiss all of what Russia has done in the last few years just to make them seem like a victim.

Russia is not the one trying to be a superstate here.

Yes they are.

Putin’s Russia wants to be a superpower

atimes.com...

If you believe they aren't you are very uninformed as Putin wants to be the same as when they were during the cold war, and if you think he doesn't you need to come back to reality.

a reply to: tsurfer2000h

Yes they are.

Haha really now. That compared to the Superstate that now has Croatia has a member and soon Serbia, Turkey and wants its own military? yeah believe that one yourself.


Crimea is Russia's business. Europe can enjoy the idiotic Kosovo.

An Opinion article by a single Italian living in China Francesco Sisci as your source now? yeah sure...

Similarly, Russia’s present exposure in Syria and the draining of its resources in the confusing battle lines against Islamic State (IS) are but a vague reminder of the gory and massive conflict the Soviets fought in Afghanistan against IS’ forefathers, the mujahideen, that eventually bled the USSR to death. Then Moscow was caught in the trap of falling oil prices (cutting its main revenue) and growing military expenditures because of costs in Afghanistan and the new arms race with the U.S.

Russia knows guerrilla warfare same tricks wont work twice on Russia.


Its not surprising to see Francesco Sisci not mention the military budgets and debt America which is no doubt rocking out hard with it.