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FORT HOOD - Army Spc. Charles Graner had a habit of disobeying orders from his military police superiors while serving as a guard at Abu Ghraib prison, according to testimony today from the first witness for the defense.
Master Sgt. Brian Lipinski, then the top noncommissioned officer in the 372nd Military Police Company, said under cross-examination that Graner wore his hair too long, altered his uniform in violation of regulations and refused to stay away from Pfc. Lynndie England despite being repeatedly told to do so.
"He just didn't like to follow orders," said prosecutor Maj. Michael Holley asked Lipinski.
"That's true, sir," Lipinski said.
as posted by dixon
Can't see where this sort of testimony is gonna lead. Refusing to follow orders is more than ample grounds for a Court martial. Yet he was left to CONTROL AND DISCIPLINE others???
as posted by marg
Really you need to know more about how the courts works, when it come with probably cause.
as posted by seekerof
As stated, Mr. Graner showed a pattern of disobedience to following simple orders. The trend further is exemplified by the simple criminal theory and methodology that breaking rules, laws, etc. goes from smaller acts committed to larger acts committed, hence my comment that those larger acts of disobedience and infractions were preceded by smaller acts of disobedience and infractions.
as posted by Marg6043
....before you get lost again in your "reasoning"....
as posted by seekerof
The problem here is the continued use of the tired cliche' of military personnel simply "following orders". It was used in the Nuremburg Trials, and was proven a non-legitimate excuse. Personal responsibility is a two edged sword when one crys that he or she was simply "following orders'. Another problem arises: were they "following" orders or where they acting voluntarily outside the bounds of orders? It's apparent that you, as with some others, have already concluded that they were following the orders of their superior officers, whereas, it has yet to be revealed or determined as such in a military court of law. Interesting, huh? I guess we can all simply throw that old adage of "innocent till proven guilty" out the window, eh?
My husband believe he was guilty and he was burn for it, but he also think that is more that miss the eyes.
Now how do you think about Mr. Bush's statements of no accountability, how do you think that is going to feel withing the military community?
By the way Graner parents are upset and they may be talking, but I feel that they will be quietly restrain for their sons sake
Have you ever heard of "hidden tribunals"...