I'm against socialism, apparently I'm an idiot. Ask me nothing.

a reply to: BuzzyWigs

Whatever. Why cant you discuss specific things instead of name calling and insulting comments? I have researched a great many things over the years. You cannot seem to even accept the olive branch I offered of suggesting that oligopoly is bad and that the truth is somewhere in the middle.
I fear for you when the bread lines come and Jills rationing begins.

a reply to: NthOther

If he had called himself a communist, he would have never had been elected.

a reply to: NthOther

It is this:

Democratic Socialists of America

Who we are & what we do

Democratic Socialists believe that both the economy and society should be run democratically to meet human needs, not to make profits for a few. We are a political and activist organization, not a party; through campus and community-based chapters DSA members use a variety of tactics, from legislative to direct action, to fight for reforms that empower working people.

Wow! I'm really excited that you guys might actually do some homework and realize what Bernie is talking about!!

a reply to: ThirdEyeofHorus

Why cant you discuss specific things instead of name calling and insulting comments?

What?
Who did I call a name? Who did I insult?

You cannot seem to even accept the olive branch I offered of suggesting that oligopoly is bad and that the truth is somewhere in the middle.
I fear for you when the bread lines come and Jills rationing begins.

*sigh*
what a very silly thing to say - and what olive branch was that???? Sorry, I must have missed it somewhere.

a reply to: BuzzyWigs

You still refuse to educate yourself? Still? After all of the exposure and explanations of what Bernie is talking about? This must be, has to be, the explanation of what your problem is:

exactly the sort of thing this rant thread is about. Care to discuss something specific-like sustainable agriculture(is part of Jill's mission statement and platform and lifted STRAIGHT out of Agenda 21) ?

a reply to: BuzzyWigs

Do I need to run through the grammatical structure of the phrase "democratic socialist" again?

a reply to: BuzzyWigs

You missed it obviously perhaps because of a knee jerk reaction.

a reply to: NthOther

No - you need to look at the link, and read about what you pretend to know something about.

I missed what, now? .......

OOooohhh! You are ranting about Jill Stein. Here. In this other thread that has nothing to do with Jill Stein.

I see

a reply to: BuzzyWigs

Why is your link authoritative but the dictionary (and long-established rules of syntax) is not?

a reply to: DBCowboy

Socialism needs corruption to make itself viable

In my experience DB quite the opposite is true, socialism only thrives when the populace are honest, hence the fall of the eastern block, and thriving kibbutz system.

Cody

a reply to: cody599

I might be wrong I'll admit. It's good to see any type of society thrive.

But this could be the exception to the rule, and not the standard, couldn't it?

I get the idea that many here have confused Socialism, and or social welfare programs, with Communism.

But, no matter, you're probably right and all these things are "bad" somehow, just like Fox News says.

Now I was thinking of opening up a shop and of course I don't want to pay taxes. Now for those who might need some tax breaks or assistance for things, well screw them. They won't have any money to buy things in my shop, and soon no one will,

Wait. Hmmm...

Well, let's just not think about that. The LORD! will provide!

Oh and speaking of that - screw this government charity crap. Charity should be left up to individuals and be faith based! Now the Muslims, Scientologists, Mormons, and various other cults of all stripes could certainly seize such an opportunity to gain scores of converts...

But yeah, we can worry about that later.

So long as there isn't anything that some guy on Fox called Communism, that's really all that matters. And I'm sure our new Muslim masters will spend plenty on roads and education and health care just like they do in Afghanistan! And if the
Mormons come out on top we'll all get fancy new underwear! Scientology? Free mental adjustment for everyone!

Yes, we must get rid of all taxes so we can achieve these goals! We can go ahead and get rid of the military too, let's pay NO taxes at all including the 50% that goes to the military. Who needs it? Allah and L.Ron Hubbard will send down lightning bolts to vanquish our enemies, so who needs any stinking military?

Yes, ALL taxes and anything that even hints of Communism has to go! Mainly because there might be a poor person out there getting $100 in food stamps or a free flu shot. It might even be a black or a Mexican or a single mother. And of course all these people are supposed to be burning in hell so the sooner they get there the better. Someone mentioned libraries, good example. Those too need to burn in hell. Why do you think people burn books? Duh. People are supposed to be dumb. Dumblyness is next to Godliness! Everybody knows that!

This is absolutely the only way to go. Because taxes = Communism and Communism makes Baby Jesus CRY!

a reply to: NthOther

Because it's the actual Democratic Socialists of America website.

It is this:

Democratic Socialists of America

Who we are & what we do

Democratic Socialists believe that both the economy and society should be run democratically to meet human needs, not to make profits for a few.

We are a political and activist organization, not a party; through campus and community-based chapters DSA members use a variety of tactics, from legislative to direct action, to fight for reforms that empower working people.

Would you like another link to Bernie's page?

a reply to: BuzzyWigs

So the dictionary definition (the one commonly accepted by the western world) means nothing to you people?

a reply to: DBCowboy

People send you hate mail for bein ganti-socialism?

I must be doing something wrong because I'm at least as anti-socialist as you are.

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: cody599

I might be wrong I'll admit. It's good to see any type of society thrive.

But this could be the exception to the rule, and not the standard, couldn't it?

Absolutely DB

Socialism cannot and will not survive as long as it invites scroungers, has a paranoia, and isn't willing to hear the people.

And there's the point

The people

Cody

a reply to: NthOther

So the dictionary definition (the one commonly accepted by the western world) means nothing to you people?

Did you just call us "you people"?

LOL!!!

Yes, I guess so, Nth. "We People" are attempting to educate you on what Democratic Socialism in the second half of the 21st-century's second decade means.

What means something to us is what Bernie is saying, and what the Democratic Socialists are saying - and what the Nordic countries are saying.....

to wit:

edition.cnn.com...

originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
I missed what, now? .......

OOooohhh! You are ranting about Jill Stein. Here. In this other thread that has nothing to do with Jill Stein.

I see

Yes because that thread was part of what led to this thread and its about socialism so yes Im still talking about Jill Stein because you didn't want to discuss anything specific about her plan, or at least if you did I missed it. I get why you like her, I mean she talks about Mother Earth and so on.... that's the Green stuff of the Green party of course... it also ties into the Green Agenda The Green Agenda

"Effective execution of Agenda 21 will require a profound reorientation of all human society, unlike anything the world
has ever experienced a major shift in the priorities of both
governments and individuals and an unprecedented
redeployment of human and financial resources. This shift
will demand that a concern for the environmental consequences
of every human action be integrated into individual and
collective decision-making at every level."
- UN Agenda 21

Jill's Plan

Create millions of jobs by transitioning to 100% clean renewable energy by 2030, and investing in public transit, sustainable agriculture, and conservation.

Guarantee economic human rights, including access to food, water, housing, and utilities, with effective anti-poverty programs to ensure every American a life of dignity.
Protect Mother Earth:

Lead on a global treaty to halt climate change. End destructive energy extraction: fracking, tar sands, offshore drilling, oil trains, mountaintop removal, and uranium mines. Protect our public lands, water supplies, biological diversity, parks, and pollinators. Label GMOs, and put a moratorium on GMOs and pesticides until they are proven safe. Protect the rights of future generations
Establish a foreign policy based on diplomacy, international law, and human rights

It's really a mix of sustainable stuff from Agenda 21 and the Progressive Party platform. Some of her ideas I like, for instance "End the wars and drone attacks" ... well that's really about it.... because all the rest depends on socialist reforms and such.

a reply to: ThirdEyeofHorus

This thread is a totally separate thing.