Idiot Parents Who Let Kid Die Found Guilty

originally posted by: jinni73
Nobody knows how boron works on a cellular level

And this is the answer you should have given me days ago, instead of pages and pages of testimonials which do not confirm Boron works.

you are saying you need to know but you do not apply it to the use of anaesthetic, as the action of that can't be explained so why are you using your argument against me when you do not apply it to one of the main things in medicine.

The action of anaesthetics can't be explained? So you are saying anaesthetists have no idea of what they are doing, and just wing it with patients? Well, they don't. This is what I know about anaesthesia and I am not an anaesthetists, I simply know the basics of what's happening to my patients when they are given local anaesthesia.

Anaesthesia affects the nerve conduction (nerves, through electrical impulses, transmit sensations). Local anaesthesia interferes with Na and K currents (sodium and potassium) and impedes the depolarization of nerve membranes. Depolarization is the difference of charge between the inside and outside of a cell, and it depends on the influx of Na into the cell. When a nerve is stimulated, cells become permeable, Na enters the cell and the cell becomes depolarized. Once depolarization is complete, the cell becomes impermeable again (not allowing any Na ions to enter). It then restores the levels of Ka and N in the intracellular fluid and makes it ready to be stimulated again. Anaesthesia affects the Na/K ATP pump, affecting the electrical impulse that makes us feel pain.

How does anaesthesia stops the influx of Na ions into the cell? There are two theories: one says some anaesthesia narrows the Na channels. The other theory suggests some anaesthesia alters the function and structure of the sodium channels.

To summarise: we do know how anaesthesia works at a cellular level. I have never said medicine is perfect and knows it all, that would be a lie, but treatments are never proven effective with testimonials, but after rigorous studies.

Now, if you could explain your treatments as I have explained local anaesthesia, I will start listening to what you are proposing. This is all I'm asking of you.

a reply to: Agartha

And this is the answer you should have given me days ago, instead of pages and pages of testimonials which do not confirm Boron works.

boron has been confirmed to work I will show you the workings of what the current thinking is when I have got time.

It is involved with the mineralisation stage and helps calcium and magnesium bind into the bone but boron is involved with 230 processes in the human body including increasing free testosterone and decreasing estradiol it is the basis for steroid production and is involved with making some enzymes about 30 I think. and it is an integral part of bone.

I understand the need to know the pathways but when medicine does not apply it's own logic and keeps people in pain because it refuses to fund the research which has been highlighted since at least 1981 when the Australian government banned boron over here it was well known that it helped with arthritis to the tune of Newnham selling something like 10000 bottles of pills a month.
You do not sell this amount from an initial 5 bottles a month (5 years previously) if it does not work and we know it is safe as it is used as an eyewash and girls use it to kill yeast www.nlm.nih.gov... it is also implicated to be helpful for osteoarthritis.

yes medicine is flawed we both know that but medicine ignores things that have been proven to be safe and seeing the death rate is so high after having an operation it could be looked at as deliberately killing people,
I have pointed out many flaws in my previous posts and the reason natural is ignored and attacked Is because it works and would jeopardise a trillion dollar cash cow for a few families It inflicts misery on millions of people due to unnecessary suffering and pain and it cannot be defended

doctors are not taught anything about natural medicine we can see that with the doctors lack of understanding on how depleted nutrients affect the systems in the body with there insane prescribing of drugs when they conflict with each other.

But anaesthesia Is a subject that I do not believe is a safe practice and contributes to a huge amount of deaths so no I don't believe anaesthetists know what they are doing.
the official figures of dying within one year after an operation with anaesthesia is one in 20 if you are under 65 and 1 in 10 for over 65s that is 7.5% of all people who receive it now if a person has been released from hospital then it can be assumed that the surgeon considers the operation a success of course people are going to die within a time limit but it looks like 50% of the 7.5% of people who have had an operation will die with 10 days of the operation.

anaesthesia has a hypnotising effect on the body and it was actually introduced shortly after the idea of using hypnotism on patients was found to be a success
now I've read that applying injections of various B vitamins and vitamin c before the operation will protect your body from shock and more than likely prevent these deaths from happening.

originally posted by: jinni73
boron has been confirmed to work I will show you the workings of what the current thinking is when I have got time.

...awaiting for evidence then.......

It is involved with the mineralisation stage and helps calcium and magnesium bind into the bone but boron is involved with 230 processes in the human body including increasing free testosterone and decreasing estradiol it is the basis for steroid production and is involved with making some enzymes about 30 I think. and it is an integral part of bone.

All very good but I need a real explanation of each process.

doctors are not taught anything about natural medicine we can see that with the doctors lack of understanding on how depleted nutrients affect the systems in the body with there insane prescribing of drugs when they conflict with each other.

I wish you would work with doctors for a couple of weeks to see how wrong your judgment about doctors are.

But anaesthesia Is a subject that I do not believe is a safe practice and contributes to a huge amount of deaths so no I don't believe anaesthetists know what they are doing. the official figures of dying within one year after an operation with anaesthesia is one in 20 if you are under 65 and 1 in 10 for over 65s that is 7.5% of all people who receive it now if a person has been released from hospital then it can be assumed that the surgeon considers the operation a success of course people are going to die within a time limit but it looks like 50% of the 7.5% of people who have had an operation will die with 10 days of the operation. anaesthesia has a hypnotising effect on the body and it was actually introduced shortly after the idea of using hypnotism on patients was found to be a success now I've read that applying injections of various B vitamins and vitamin c before the operation will protect your body from shock and more than likely prevent these deaths from happening.

10 in 20 under 65 will die within a year after an operation under anaesthesia?
Where do you get your figures from? Please quote. The other question is why do you blame anaesthesia for deaths up to a year later??? Most general anaesthesia will be eliminated from the body within days, sometimes a couple of weeks.

Post surgery deaths are difficult to blame on anaesthesia, as there are always many postoperative risks. The figure for the UK is 1 death every 200,000. LINK

a reply to: Agartha

I have a subscription to consumer labs, so I did a quick search on boron. The evidence that it actually works isn't non-existent, but I wouldn't call it particularly good. I don't want to copy and paste directly from a subscription service, but I feel comfortable summarizing that the joints of people with osteoarthritis have been found to contain less boron than people without the condition, and additional correlative studies indicate that regions where consumption of boron is higher have less osteoarthritis.

However, the only direct evidence that it works comes from one highly preliminary study reported in 1990, which showed that boron supplementation reduced the amount of calcium lost in the urine. However, two additional studies failed to corroborate that finding.

If one were going to trot out a poster-child for a general lack of awareness among doctors for natural remedies, I would not think boron would be it.

In general, I agree that doctors do seem to be far more aware of prescription solutions than nonprescription solutions, for whatever reason. The probiotic example I gave earlier is a decent example, but Boron wouldn't be my go to.

Also, most general practitioners are poorly trained in basic nutrition, which I suppose is why Nutritionists exist, as nutrition is one of the cornerstones of preventative medicine, which IMHO doctor's spend too little time on. Nutritionists aren't perfect either, but they can get an interested party in the ballpark of consuming a healthy diet.

Of course, there is also exercise. And sleep. And yes, supplementation.

Boron doesn't have much evidence, but there are a ton of other supplements for which lots of data exists. Fish Oil is a good example, for a multitude of clinical uses.

Double Post

a reply to: DumpMaster

So how is this any different from parents whom refuse to support their own children and abandon them? I agree the parents should face justice but there are worse parents out there that walk free every day to continue the cycle of childhood misery.

a reply to: Greggers

one study done on boron combined with fish oil gave rats brain tumours LOL fish products are not really good for us if you want your omega 3s then purslane has the highest amount as well as the highest amount of calcium and they call it a weed.

Successfully derailed topic. It was interesting for awhile though.

a reply to: Agartha

1 in 20 under 65s will die and 1 in 10 over 65s equating to 7.5% of all people, now the actions of anaesthetic are not completely understood but if the right preparation was done say a month earlier given the correct food the the people would be far more likely to survive also if they were given the right advice after the operation then that may prevent so many deaths.
healthland.time.com...

I am going away for a couple of weeks so I will explain the boron pathways for you then.

Just because there are not many studies is a small clue we know boron soaks up the radiation and emissions from the nuclear power stations. without boron calcium can't be taken into the bone we know that the use of chemical fertiliser restricts nutrients being taken into the food. especially sulphur and boron.
the people that control our world use uranium to cause so many illnesses through things like strontium being uptaken into the bones if calcium is not present (and we get extremely little calcium in an adsorbable form people think we get it in milk but without picolinate and combined with the fluoride inhibiting pancreatic enzyme function there is virtually no calcium that is taken up in its ionic form and the same with other minerals) the chemical fertiliser being forced on farmers that contains polonium even fluoride comes from the processing of uranium tailings into chemical fertiliser now if there are extremely little research done on boron and it negates these effects of the uranium industry and the same people who control our world control the pharmaceutical companies and the hospitals, they also control where the money raised by charities is spent so we can see a picture that would lead some of us who understand things from a different perspective to the majority to see a link

I know some doctors are good but their hands are tied by the pharmaceutical companies, If you go back 70 odd years Not sure when the case happened doctors were curing cancer and the rockerfellers or at least their foundation took them to court to try and stop them saying they could cure cancer, the rockerfellers lost as the doctors proved they were doing this.
all of this is hidden from the population and it is only when you research it that you realise that the industry you work in is rotten to the core which is why I have issues with it knowing simple foods cure the majority of disease and watching people get murdered by ignorance of the population.
doctors research this for 7 years by being given books written by the pharmaceutical companies, the universities are donated money by the people who benefit from keeping people ill. I have been researching this for 2 and a half years add on another 4 and a half years in relation to what a doctor would know and doctors should not be needing to tell people that a diuretic should be taken with heart medicine or take antibiotics yet not telling them to take B6,

simple remedies work, take for instance my story of Silymarin, Echinacea and slippery elm bark cure the marijuana poisoning the hospital staff had no idea how to treat it and my mate had been in the same hospital 12 years earlier when the specialist had told him the cure and that if he was caught telling my mate he would get sacked now 12 years later the nurses and doctors are still not using it and the rate of the poisoning will increase more and more.
as well as my mate who is being advised by one of the heart specialists in Sydney who is absolutely clueless on nutrition and even the interaction of the drugs he swears by, this man is so arrogant that he would not even entertain any questions from my friend that I had told him to ask I know they are busy and hopefully he was just having a bad day but obviously because I am dealing with this I get told more stories than most I tell people to ask for various things from doctors but they just tell the person that that does not work when I have proved it works in other people,
Silymarin is also is great for hepatitis and cirrhosis.

and if doctors understood nutrition they would not have a job your body is the surgeon take boron and your bones would not break well at least not very easily how many in and outpatients are to do with broken bones and arthritis a day 25% give or take a bit

You are involved in a business and that business is just one spoke in how to control a population in order for people to have power over others, this is why they use anaesthetic and not hypnotism and why there is very little research carried out on boron as well as very little studies carried out on how many people die from anaesthesia Its all connected and once people realise this we can all have a better life and that's a fact. once you start researching this way of life as a whole you see a clear line through the things that are true anyway I am off to learn some more I will present to you the latest thoughts on the pathways of boron when I come back but if you get the chance nick a little bit out of the hospital stocks and give 10mg a day to someone who has arthritis and see for yourself and if you have some raw egg yolk about half an hour before you ingest the boron then this will aid the uptake of boron even better due to the selenium and tyrosine.

a reply to: jinni73

Could you link the study that showed fish oil causing brain tumors, so we could analyze it?

originally posted by: jinni73
a reply to: Agartha

1 in 20 under 65s will die and 1 in 10 over 65s equating to 7.5% of all people, now the actions of anaesthetic are not completely understood but if the right preparation was done say a month earlier given the correct food the the people would be far more likely to survive also if they were given the right advice after the operation then that may prevent so many deaths.
healthland.time.com...

Let's just address this part first.
From your link
"The rise in deaths from anesthesia–related causes is not because of a decrease in the quality of anesthesiological care. It’s due to the fact that more and more older patients … are being operated on,” says Dr. André Gottschalk, author of the study..."
That's pretty significant don't you think?
I think something as significant as that in a study which you've posted should be highlighted really shouldn't it.
Or didn't you highlight it because it sort of harms your argument?

originally posted by: Pardon?
Let's just address this part first.
From your link
"The rise in deaths from anesthesia–related causes is not because of a decrease in the quality of anesthesiological care. It’s due to the fact that more and more older patients … are being operated on,” says Dr. André Gottschalk, author of the study..."
That's pretty significant don't you think?
I think something as significant as that in a study which you've posted should be highlighted really shouldn't it.
Or didn't you highlight it because it sort of harms your argument?

I was just going to post the paragraph you posted. lol

From the same article that Jinny posted:

Complications relating to anesthesia are rare, and can usually be brought under control very quickly.

This is not a peer review study but an article from a magazine. I need to see the statistics mentioned from the original study as sometimes magazines twist things to sell.