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posted on May, 14 2016 @ 12:03 AM
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a reply to: Pardon?

Strange that this newspaper article paints a different picture which means either the newspaper article is lying or you are

www.dailymail.co.uk... rocedure-improve-blood-flow-doesnt-reduce-heart-attack-risk-says-consultant.html

www.cardiachealth.org...


and I am also going on what a friend of mine is currently going through he was given a non emergency stent operation as well as an angiogram with angioplasty
accompanied by the most terrible advice from one of Sydney's top heart specialists about diet and exercise (you want to increase the pressure on someone's heart bytelling tehm to do exercise they actually had him in the hospital doing some exercises not good man not good at all
as well as the drugs they are giving him! and you want to tell me you know about nutrition or give out good advice about it that is a categorical lie
come on you tell me what diet you advise someone and we can prove whether your comments are valid

everybody else might be dumb enough to not research what you lot tell people but some of us do and we are the ones who know you are all useless at it, do you tell people to drink milk even though it has been proven to debilitate the heart and I do not see any of these heart websites advising people to cut out caffeine which is the number 1 cause of heart attack

now this is australia but as far as I knew the procedures are pretty similar all over the things this so called specialist is saying are worrying to say the least as well as the drugs they have put him on and I am advising him to come off some of the drugs as they are not working,
how on earth do you justify giving Furosemide to someone who has heart problems without giving them additional nutrients that are being depleted out of the body that the heart needs. and yes he has oedema


Narrowed coronary arteries may possibly be treated during the angiogram by a technique known as angioplasty. A special catheter is threaded through the blood vessels and into the coronary arteries to remove the blockage





How do these compounds "clear the liver"?


Silymarin is well known to clear the liver and regenerate it this is the most researched herb on the planet and you claim you are in the industry and don't know that.
your rhetoric is a prime example why not to trust doctors as you seem to be trying to discredit my words with lies now if you were genuinely in the medical profession why would you need to make up lies to do this and you are even asking questions and answering them for me,

en.wikipedia.org...

your bosses would not allow you to treat people with natural methods want some proof of this

The cure
Boil up some distilled water add in one teaspoon of slippery elm bark let the liquid cool down to body temperature add 5 drops of Silymarin tincture and 5 drops Echinacea Liquid extract. take 3 times a day before food and wait 2 hours before you eat anything

this will lead to a full recovery within 7 days, within the 36 hours the patient will not be suffering any pain and in reality this first drink of this will lead to the patient feeling better

As your industry is so corrupt you will not be allowed to give it to the person even though the pharmaceutical companies do not have a cure for it and you will leave that person in excruciating pain

and no I'm not talking out my bumper just because I don't know the use of your fancy words does not mean I don't know what I'm talking about and cannot cure people with normal methods that don't require 500 million pounds to authenticate the testing that protects the pharmaceutical companies monopoly on medicine.

balance the heart, in my world means the heart beats at a different rate to what it is meant to




posted on May, 14 2016 @ 02:08 AM
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originally posted by: jinni73
a reply to: Pardon?

Strange that this newspaper article paints a different picture which means either the newspaper article is lying or you are

www.dailymail.co.uk... rocedure-improve-blood-flow-doesnt-reduce-heart-attack-risk-says-consultant.html

www.cardiachealth.org...


and I am also going on what a friend of mine is currently going through he was given a non emergency stent operation as well as an angiogram with angioplasty
accompanied by the most terrible advice from one of Sydney's top heart specialists about diet and exercise (you want to increase the pressure on someone's heart bytelling tehm to do exercise they actually had him in the hospital doing some exercises not good man not good at all
as well as the drugs they are giving him! and you want to tell me you know about nutrition or give out good advice about it that is a categorical lie
come on you tell me what diet you advise someone and we can prove whether your comments are valid

everybody else might be dumb enough to not research what you lot tell people but some of us do and we are the ones who know you are all useless at it, do you tell people to drink milk even though it has been proven to debilitate the heart and I do not see any of these heart websites advising people to cut out caffeine which is the number 1 cause of heart attack

now this is australia but as far as I knew the procedures are pretty similar all over the things this so called specialist is saying are worrying to say the least as well as the drugs they have put him on and I am advising him to come off some of the drugs as they are not working,
how on earth do you justify giving Furosemide to someone who has heart problems without giving them additional nutrients that are being depleted out of the body that the heart needs. and yes he has oedema


Narrowed coronary arteries may possibly be treated during the angiogram by a technique known as angioplasty. A special catheter is threaded through the blood vessels and into the coronary arteries to remove the blockage





How do these compounds "clear the liver"?


Silymarin is well known to clear the liver and regenerate it this is the most researched herb on the planet and you claim you are in the industry and don't know that.
your rhetoric is a prime example why not to trust doctors as you seem to be trying to discredit my words with lies now if you were genuinely in the medical profession why would you need to make up lies to do this and you are even asking questions and answering them for me,

en.wikipedia.org...

your bosses would not allow you to treat people with natural methods want some proof of this

The cure
Boil up some distilled water add in one teaspoon of slippery elm bark let the liquid cool down to body temperature add 5 drops of Silymarin tincture and 5 drops Echinacea Liquid extract. take 3 times a day before food and wait 2 hours before you eat anything

this will lead to a full recovery within 7 days, within the 36 hours the patient will not be suffering any pain and in reality this first drink of this will lead to the patient feeling better

As your industry is so corrupt you will not be allowed to give it to the person even though the pharmaceutical companies do not have a cure for it and you will leave that person in excruciating pain

and no I'm not talking out my bumper just because I don't know the use of your fancy words does not mean I don't know what I'm talking about and cannot cure people with normal methods that don't require 500 million pounds to authenticate the testing that protects the pharmaceutical companies monopoly on medicine.

balance the heart, in my world means the heart beats at a different rate to what it is meant to


In my post I said that around 90% of stent implants were for emergency procedures.
Your "rebuttal" was talking about the 10% that aren't (or weren't, they're very rarely used in stable angina now).

If your "friend" is undergoing heart treatment then it's probably a bit too late to offer nutritional advice as the damage has already been done.
It's common practice to ask post-op patients to exercise afterwards. This isn't to benefit their hearts but to improve overall circulation.
You give Forusomide, especially after a heart attack as the pump function of the heart is compromised which can lead to a build up of fluids which can therefore increase the heart's workload.
An angiogram has no therapeutic aspect to it, it's a visualisation procedure. The operating word is "gram".
An angioplasty is a therapeutic procedure, the operating word being "plasty".


After having a good look it seems that Sylimarin can have some benefits to people in early stages of liver failure so I'll concede that one. That's why I asked.
However, it has no benefit to heart attack patients in the slightest.
Your potion is not a clot buster.



posted on May, 15 2016 @ 04:18 AM
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originally posted by: jinni73
There is heaps of evidence and how do I know this because I use it on people and it turns their life around

Are you licensed to administer medical treatments? Are you a doctor or a nurse practitioner?


and here is one guy who has studied boron and arthritis for 30 years how long have you been studying it or are you relying on what you are being told
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...


That's a really old article, from 1994, you need to post recent evidence. And I never rely on people telling me anything, I have spent the last decades of my life studying the human body, I understand the pathophysiology of diseases/conditions and how drugs/meds act in the body.


and if you are going to give me pharmaceutical controlled organisations like Pubmed or the FDA and only stick to that line of thinking without trying harmless cures on people then how is it possible to explain things to you and get you to see that the industry you so ardently believe in is not doing the right thing, the system is completely corrupt and you Ignore other peoples experiences as well as ignoring the basic medical principal of do no harm by sticking to your beliefs.


I stick to the safest line of thinking, which is the 'evidence based medicine' type of thinking. I am not saying mainstream medicine is perfect because it's not, but you cannot deny that that modern medicine has effective treatmenst that have improved and prolonged people's lives. And yes, there's a lot we still don't know, but that doesn't mean we have to abandon science for fantasy. The difference between mainstream medicine and what you are promoting is that medicine is always based on evidence, based on trials after trials, and studies after studies. What you promote is based on testimonials, without a shred of evidence. Show me results that have been replicated, show me the x-rays and blood tests that confirm your complementary therapy works. Until then it's all fantasy.



If you know someone with arthritis give them 3 mg of boron and 400mg of magnesium (preferably picolinate forms) then you can see for yourself if you are going to rely on what we are allowed to see by corporations then you can carry on in your world,


Your link is not to a scientific/medical site, hence their disclaimer at the bottom:

how can I argue against brainwashing If you constantly keep telling me that your thoughts are centred on one way of thinking and you need an official site in your eyes to present it to you.
How is it possible for you to learn If you do not have the ability to look at this from a different way and I even present to you a simple way to test it and you are still arguing.

boron and magnesium are harmless so if you don't want to test it then fine I did try to wake you up discernment is an integral part of intelligence and if you refuse to test this and stick to the lies that you are fed then its your life to waste not mine.

I am assuming you know someone with arthritis it will take around 7-21 days for an amazing improvement I helped one 77 year old and within 3 days she could raise her arms above her head and all pain had gone she had this for 20 years because doctors are taught things that only benefit rich people and keep people in pain because they don't have the faculties to try other natural cures.

ts only physiologically impossible because that's what you want to believe you will not test these yourself to find out if what they say is true, there is no money in it.
I would also use Boron as it is essential in repairing arteries and angiogenesis as well as IV Hydrogen Peroxide
Sunflower Lecithin (not soy) and Safflower oil one teaspoon of each a day also Calgam (you need to add B6 and you do not use synthetic products of any type in any mineral or vitamin as hey do not work) has been claimed by the Russians to completely obliterate blocked arteries in the lower extremities, 20 years research was carried out by the Russians Italians and Swiss and the Russians patented Calgam and the FDA then banned it LOL Calgam is used for around 48 different diseases and allows oxygen to be used more efficiently by the brain ad cells (there's that word again Oxygen)

you will also need to use Vitamin E to strengthen the arteries for Vitamin E to work the most effectively you need all the rest of the nutrients this research was carried out by the shute brothers and proved Vit e was essential to heart health and would add on about 20 years to peoples lives if the pharmaceutical doctors would use it but of course the research was ignored and thousands of people had many years of there lives taken form them by the doctors.


Hundreds of words and yet you are still not showing me how your 'treatment' works. Explain to me the pharmacology process of boron: when ingested, how does it react with stomach acid? How is it not ingested and excreted with urine? How does it reach the joints that are inflamed? How does Boron reduce that inflammation? (and thus cure arthritis).

You talk a lot about how effective it si and yet you still haven't explained its process. Once you explain it we can then discuss its effectiveness.



posted on May, 15 2016 @ 04:32 AM
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a reply to: Agartha

With respect.. people who have not gone to university, and do not have formal medical training are still able to be educated in it. I do not condone practicing without a license however if patients educate themselves in order to ensure they make the best decisions for themselves that is their right. I have met far too many doctors who have pulled rank on me and I have payed a high price in regards to side effects including almost dying because of their shoddy medical advice. I have known too many people who have blindly trusted doctors because they are viewed as "priest like" in wisdom and have either been made worse or died as a result. I saw recently the third highest cause of death in the US is medical malpractice it is little wonder people are losing faith in them.



posted on May, 15 2016 @ 04:48 AM
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originally posted by: riley
With respect.. people who have not gone to university, and do not have formal medical training are still able to be educated in it. I do not condone practicing without a license however if patients educate themselves in order to ensure they make the best decisions for themselves that is their right. I have met far too many doctors who have pulled rank on me and I have payed a high price in regards to side effects including almost dying because of their shoddy medical advice. I have known too many people who have blindly trusted doctors because they are viewed as "priest like" in wisdom and have either been made worse or died as a result. I saw recently the third highest cause of death in the US is medical malpractice it is little wonder people are losing faith in them.


I'm a great advocate for people's informed consent, nobody should consent to any treatment or procedure without having all the information about it. I also truly support patients to learn about their conditions and to discuss it all with their doctors. I also believe patients with chronic diseases do become experts with their conditions, but not with the whole spectrum of medicine. And like I said, modern medicine and doctors are not perfect.

However, if you think self study/googling at home is the same as years of university and clinical practice, then Jinny will have no problem explaining the pharmacology of boron, at a cellular level. Because that type of knowledge is essential before you promote a treatment.



posted on May, 16 2016 @ 02:22 AM
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I think the elephant in the room is that medical services OUTSIDE THE US are using the same types of treatments. There is no 'big pharma' money grabbing conspiracy in the UK as we have the NHS, a fully non profit service. This is independently controlled and audited, and uses tax payers money.

Every single treatment has to be cost effective and efficient for it to be authorised in the NHS. Doctors and hospitals do not profit from the types of treatments they promote. Treatments are prescribed as they are regarded as being the most benificial for the patient. UK based medical research is among the most rigorous in the world and forms the basis for most of the recommended treatments used in the NHS. Yet they continue to use 'conventional' treatments and surgeries. They are still putting in stents and treating bacterial meningitis with aggressive antibiotic regimens. This is because the evidence shows that it works.



posted on May, 16 2016 @ 04:38 AM
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That's a really old article, from 1994, you need to post recent evidence. And I never rely on people telling me anything, I have spent the last decades of my life studying the human body, I understand the pathophysiology of diseases/conditions and how drugs/meds act in the body.
a reply to: Agartha

Come on you are pulling my leg, you are constantly telling lies and you need me to explain to you how boron binds calcium into the bone and cures arthritis, I guess you are a prime example why not to trust a dcotor and you do not even know that manuka honey does have peroxide in it.
but the marketing aspect means that once it has been decomposed by catalase they can still sell it as it does have antibacterial properties as I said manuka is a marketting idea nothing else


Are you licensed to administer medical treatments? Are you a doctor or a nurse practitioner?


And what has that got to do with anything I have studied this for 2 and a half years

and you do know the law don't you that when 2 people enter into an agreement the government are not allowed to get involved.
because when you push me I can prove what I say and I prove this time and time again

I guess my faith in people wanting to know what the truth Is Is misplaced as so many do not and will not do the research themselves.


But its OK to try and attack someone else when you are the one doing the harm that's how the medical industry works is it not,
point the finger at naturopaths and get the media to join in oh and don't forget to add a little fluoride into the water just to guarantee people cannot think for themselves.

I'll keep it short as I am banging my head against a brick wall with you.
It is obvious you do not have the capacity to research these things yourself even when being provided with the links so that you do not even have to do anything
I am lucky that I am not your friend who had arthritis aren't I

you now know that you are keeping them in pain and on dangerous drugs that are depleting nutrients out of them that will lead to there deaths and you can come back with any answer you like to that because that will always be the truth because you wanted to argue with me and not do the research and use what! cheap talk. good on you and while your at it tell them that the naturopaths are filling the hospitals up with dodgy cures yet even though there are what 10% of patients in there because of your scandalous drugs that are proven to not work honestly.

and go and listen to a heart doctor who will prescribe exercise in the hospital gym and the nurse will push you that little bit harder and give you a relapse even though they have a HEART condition which means NO exercise

BUT you are telling me I have no experience

until you have regenerated the arteries and can be cured by simple natural ingredients do you actually know that lecithin is produced by the liver and is part of most of our natural foods and It keeps the arteries clear no because you have been told that there are no natural substances and you do not want to educate yourself.


do you know in Chinese medicine it takes 21 years before you are classified as a doctor bit different to western medicine hey



posted on May, 16 2016 @ 05:21 AM
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a reply to: schuyler




Left with entirely "natural" cures with no modern medicine the average lifespan is 28.


28 seriously? If your 1st sentence is suspect why should I entertain the rest of your post?



posted on May, 16 2016 @ 06:53 AM
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originally posted by: Agartha
I stick to the safest line of thinking, which is the 'evidence based medicine' type of thinking. I am not saying mainstream medicine is perfect because it's not, but you cannot deny that that modern medicine has effective treatmenst that have improved and prolonged people's lives. And yes, there's a lot we still don't know, but that doesn't mean we have to abandon science for fantasy. The difference between mainstream medicine and what you are promoting is that medicine is always based on evidence, based on trials after trials, and studies after studies. What you promote is based on testimonials, without a shred of evidence. Show me results that have been replicated, show me the x-rays and blood tests that confirm your complementary therapy works. Until then it's all fantasy.


If only all physicians, doctors etc. would think like you. Then there would be no more psychiatry. Not talking about valid sciences like neurology, surgery, those that actually have evidence for diseases.



posted on May, 16 2016 @ 11:42 AM
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originally posted by: jinni73

I'll keep it short as I am banging my head against a brick wall with you.
It is obvious you do not have the capacity to research these things yourself even when being provided with the links so that you do not even have to do anything



Wikipedia and the Daily Mail do not constitute research. The Daily Mail is regarded as a tabloid rag in the UK and I don't think I have to state the problems with Wiki!

Do you have any credible sources?



posted on May, 16 2016 @ 07:47 PM
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originally posted by: PaddyInf

originally posted by: jinni73

I'll keep it short as I am banging my head against a brick wall with you.
It is obvious you do not have the capacity to research these things yourself even when being provided with the links so that you do not even have to do anything



Wikipedia and the Daily Mail do not constitute research. The Daily Mail is regarded as a tabloid rag in the UK and I don't think I have to state the problems with Wiki!

Do you have any credible sources?


Yeah, I read a doctor who had exposed the amount of heart operations that were unnecessarily done I also saw some figures on the internet that tied into what I was also told by a nurse,
the nurse told me that only 33% of people that have a heart attack survive it was also clearly laid out in a book I was reading about airline saferty and people having heart attacks the book claimed 33% survive a heart attack if they are in a hospital and only 10% survive if they are outside and this book was banging on about how good the survival rates are on airplanes.
but stuff written in a book or a conversation between me and a nurse are not provable for most people so we will have to stick with the NHS figures which I believe are wrong and they are ultimately using figures from the British Heart foundation but that still does not stop them telling a lie once you compare the 2 figures.


www.nhs.uk...


Heart Foundation estimates that around 50,000 men and 32,000 women have a heart attack each year in England


In general, around one third of people who have a heart attack die as a result. These deaths often occur before a person reaches hospital or, alternatively, within the first 28 days after the heart attack.



A coronary angioplasty is one of the most common types of treatment for the heart. Around 75,000 procedures are performed in England each year


so they are using heart foundation figures of 75k yet the heart foundation states 92k for stent ops (this is where the paper got its figures from hey),
so 27 thousand die of a heart attack now maybe some die within the 28 day period after they have had a stent op, but some people do not need a stent as a heart attack is not just a piece of plaque breaking off and filling an arteriole these are the tiny arteries that lead into the heart,
a heart attack is also caused by starvation of nutrients and the heart goes into a seizure because it has no fuel (but a doctor does not know that)

so 27k die minus 82k who have heart attacks leaves 55k essential operations.

if we have 92k stent operations that leaves a genuine figure of 37k non essential heart operations

which can be cured by a variety of means one is IV Hydrogen Peroxide therapy but you have to build up the arteries first with Vitamin E and Boron Vitamin E is fantastic for renewing scar tissue (In fact anyone who has a scar on the outside of there body would do well to research the shute doctors info as Vitamin E has removed scarring even after 50 years in one case I read about.)
as the reason the arteries begin plaque formation is due to weakened artery walls which the body plugs with the plaque.


so if you go onto the PDF of the BHF cardiovascular statistics 2014 and look at treatment on page 3 it says 2014there were 92 thousand percutaneous coronary interventions or in normal language stent operations

so you see Pardon is the one who has come on here and tried to misdirect the genuine people on here on various points
also including the silymarin cleaning the liver out so what this shows is people that think they know the correct way have been misled they are taught a way of thinking which is not always the best way.

Now all newspapers are the same when you break it down and are used to condition us but here is the new York times
article about stent usage.

now if we look at silymarin it inhibits C Reactive Protein but statins don't, also silymarin inhibits interleukins and provide the heart with 5 peptides anyone who has heart problems should be taking silyamrin with slippery elm bark but at least 3 hours away from there medications.


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posted on May, 16 2016 @ 09:14 PM
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However, if you think self study/googling at home is the same as years of university and clinical practice, then Jinny will have no problem explaining the pharmacology of boron, at a cellular level. Because that type of knowledge is essential before you promote a treatment.


You can hide behind your brainwashing as much as you like and the reason I can say it is brainwashing is because if you go up and give 100 people a natural remedy and it cures them then I can guarantee you every one of them is going to tell you that you are not quite sane in the head,


as I said before you do not test the pills you give to people on there skin this is known as a poison test yet none of you do this and you are quite literally murdering people.
and you have no answer to this but oh wait yes you do what is the chemical interaction between blah blah blah and that study is from 1994. and anyone who can see what the truth is can clearly work out that Natural is way better than pharmacology or shall we call it sorcery which is its correct name.


However, if you think self study/googling at home is the same as years of university and clinical practice

exactly what kind of a comment is that? are you asking people to take your words seriously when you do not even know that the human body has not changed between now and 1994 and to not believe me because I do not spend my life learning about things that I can test before I tell someone to ingest it?
so maybe this is prime evidence that a university trained person has not been educated in anything that is actually useful
as the truth is always going to be the truth,
The body is lacking minerals vitamins and nutrients which causes disease as it cannot keep out the poisons that are in todays environment and breaks down overtime.

You repopulate the bacteria in the stomach and provide nutrients for the villi (you know what villi are don't you but they are only slightly important in your world as most of your drugs destroy them! another inconvenient fact

you can also replenish the hydrochloric acid normally with something like beets seaweed or cayenne herb next we work on the liver with a few drops of silymarin and some slippery elm which makes sure the silyamrin reaches the liver,
now many things I can use work on other areas of the body at the same time so maybe I will use schisandra berries as these are fantastic for improving the livers use of the nutrients that it receives, it also makes glutathione in the body which as you know work on clearing out toxins from the liver brain and lungs now you might need to use some Siberian ginseng as this boosts the activity of the schisandra berries blah blah blah

If you replenish these minerals etc. the body recorrects itself This is not rocket science but you seem to need to justify you wasting 7 years at university and then try to defend your lack of knowledge in actually healing people.

You cannot heal people you can only allow the body to heal itself and medicine clearly does not do that as it depletes nutrients out of the body this is another one of those annoying things called a fact try and prove me wrong.

big challenge that, get all your doctors give me one thing that the pharmaceutical industry uses that does not harm the body in another area or hiding behind a fake cure by boosting the adrenal glands and getting people to think its the drugs that are doing it. or what about telling people to take an aspirin every day (really you are telling people to poison themselves and hiding the amount of deaths it causes what about the usage of garlic with aspirin how many people do you tell not to use garlic as it doubles the risk of bleeding when taken with aspirin

I have already given you a cure for marijuana poisoning but you will not be allowed to use that as your system is corrupt, and people who have been educated to not understand common sense and truth quite simply protect that system with its from 1994 more like 1984.

Oh and by the way the silymarin also cures some hepatitis and sclerosis but again you will not use your knowledge for helping people

Your system is demonic it has no evidence that it actually helps anyone and plenty of evidence that it actually harms people, but you refuse to use natural living plants in there true form not some artificially created pill that has been synthesized so the rich can get a patent on it and make some money out of it.

Sorry for having a go but you people hide behind ignorance and then have the gaul to have a go at someone when they are only about helping people.


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posted on May, 17 2016 @ 02:11 AM
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Yeah, I read a doctor who had exposed the amount of heart operations that were unnecessarily done I also saw some figures on the internet that tied into what I was also told by a nurse,


Shouldn't go listening to nurses now, should we? At least that is what someone told me lately...



www.nhs.uk...


Heart Foundation estimates that around 50,000 men and 32,000 women have a heart attack each year in England


In general, around one third of people who have a heart attack die as a result. These deaths often occur before a person reaches hospital or, alternatively, within the first 28 days after the heart attack.



A coronary angioplasty is one of the most common types of treatment for the heart. Around 75,000 procedures are performed in England each year


so they are using heart foundation figures of 75k yet the heart foundation states 92k for stent ops (this is where the paper got its figures from hey),
so 27 thousand die of a heart attack now maybe some die within the 28 day period after they have had a stent op, but some people do not need a stent as a heart attack is not just a piece of plaque breaking off and filling an arteriole these are the tiny arteries that lead into the heart,
a heart attack is also caused by starvation of nutrients and the heart goes into a seizure because it has no fuel (but a doctor does not know that)

so 27k die minus 82k who have heart attacks leaves 55k essential operations.

if we have 92k stent operations that leaves a genuine figure of 37k non essential heart operations


Bit of a problem with your interpretation of the figures. You appear to be assuming that it is only people who have HAD heart attacks who benefit from stent insertion. Angioplasty is also a PREVENTATIVE treatment which is used to stop them occurring in the first place in patients at high risk (which is the main goal of medicine - prevention over cure). Just because someone had a stent put in and didn't have a heart attack does not mean that they didn't benefit from the procedure. It just means that the stent did its job.



as the reason the arteries begin plaque formation is due to weakened artery walls which the body plugs with the plaque.


Plaque formation begins due to excessive levels of blood cholesterol depositing in vessels, not weak arterial walls. The body does not use plaque to mend damaged vessels, it uses clots. The continual accumulation of plaque over several years cause narrowing arteries and chest pain (angina). If part of the plaque detaches it releases certain chemicals which the blood mistakes for a damaged vessel and tries to mend by forming a clot. This occludes the vessel, causing a myocardial infarction (MI - heart attack). It is one of the 8 recognised reversable causes of cardiac arrest, commonly referred to as the 4 Hs and 4 Ts.

Hypoxia (lack of oxygen)
Hypothermia (drastically reduced core temperature)
Hypo/hyperkalaemia (potassium imbalance)
Hypovolaemia (reduced circulatong blood volume)
Tension pneumothorax (collapsed lung)
Tamponade (blood in the pericardium)
Toxins (poisoning)
Thromboembolotic event (cardiac vessel occlusion caused by a clot)


now if we look at silymarin it inhibits C Reactive Protein but statins don't, also silymarin inhibits interleukins and provide the heart with 5 peptides anyone who has heart problems should be taking silyamrin with slippery elm bark but at least 3 hours away from there medications


Why would you want to inhibit CRP? It is an inflammatory marker produced by the liver. It has no negative effects on the heart but is often used as a useful early indicator of a heart attack before hitting the 12hr point for more accurate Troponin T testing.

As for interlukins - which do it inhibit an for what reason? There are 36 of them and they are all important in white cell function. Changing levels of these can cause dangerous immunosuppression and a very sick patient.

Your post has lots of impressive sounding statements, but they seem to be meaningless.
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posted on May, 17 2016 @ 03:12 AM
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originally posted by: PaddyInf
I think the elephant in the room is that medical services OUTSIDE THE US are using the same types of treatments. There is no 'big pharma' money grabbing conspiracy in the UK as we have the NHS, a fully non profit service. This is independently controlled and audited, and uses tax payers money.


Thank you! Some of us have been saying this countless of times, but the 'Big Pharma' believers always ignore this statement....... funn, eh? lol.






originally posted by: jinni73
You can hide behind your brainwashing as much as you like and the reason I can say it is brainwashing is because if you go up and give 100 people a natural remedy and it cures them then I can guarantee you every one of them is going to tell you that you are not quite sane in the head, as I said before you do not test the pills you give to people on there skin this is known as a poison test yet none of you do this and you are quite literally murdering people.
and you have no answer to this but oh wait yes you do what is the chemical interaction between blah blah blah and that study is from 1994. and anyone who can see what the truth is can clearly work out that Natural is way better than pharmacology or shall we call it sorcery which is its correct name.


Why don't you stop ranting like a mad man and show us the science behind your 'cures'?


exactly what kind of a comment is that? are you asking people to take your words seriously when you do not even know that the human body has not changed between now and 1994 and to not believe me because I do not spend my life learning about things that I can test before I tell someone to ingest it? so maybe this is prime evidence that a university trained person has not been educated in anything that is actually useful as the truth is always going to be the truth, The body is lacking minerals vitamins and nutrients which causes disease as it cannot keep out the poisons that are in todays environment and breaks down overtime.


More ranting without substance.


You repopulate the bacteria in the stomach and provide nutrients for the villi (you know what villi are don't you but they are only slightly important in your world as most of your drugs destroy them! another inconvenient fact
you can also replenish the hydrochloric acid normally with something like beets seaweed or cayenne herb


How do beets seaweed and cayenne herb replenish hydrocholric acid? What happens to seaweed and cayenne once they are digested? We know they are broken down into molecules. What kind of molecules are those? What happens to those molecules in the stomach? How do they replenish hydrocholoric acid? How do those molecules stimulate the parietal cells to produce more acid? This is what you need to explain. Until then it's all mumbo jumbo.

next we work on the liver with a few drops of silymarin and some slippery elm which makes sure the silyamrin reaches the liver, now many things I can use work on other areas of the body at the same time so maybe I will use schisandra berries as these are fantastic for improving the livers use of the nutrients that it receives, it also makes glutathione in the body which as you know work on clearing out toxins from the liver brain and lungs now you might need to use some Siberian ginseng as this boosts the activity of the schisandra berries blah blah blah


How does slippery elm aid the transport of silymarin to the liver? How do schisandra berries improve the liver? They are also broken down into molecules during digestion. What kind of molecules do they become? How do they reach the liver? How do they produce glutathione? These are all very important questions, you need to expain the chemical process that happens at a cellular level. If you can't then you are just guessing and you don't know what your 'cures' are doing.


If you replenish these minerals etc. the body recorrects itself This is not rocket science but you seem to need to justify you wasting 7 years at university and then try to defend your lack of knowledge in actually healing people. You cannot heal people you can only allow the body to heal itself and medicine clearly does not do that as it depletes nutrients out of the body this is another one of those annoying things called a fact try and prove me wrong.
big challenge that, get all your doctors give me one thing that the pharmaceutical industry uses that does not harm the body in another area or hiding behind a fake cure by boosting the adrenal glands and getting people to think its the drugs that are doing it. or what about telling people to take an aspirin every day (really you are telling people to poison themselves and hiding the amount of deaths it causes what about the usage of garlic with aspirin how many people do you tell not to use garlic as it doubles the risk of bleeding when taken with aspirin I have already given you a cure for marijuana poisoning but you will not be allowed to use that as your system is corrupt, and people who have been educated to not understand common sense and truth quite simply protect that system with its from 1994 more like 1984. Oh and by the way the silymarin also cures some hepatitis and sclerosis but again you will not use your knowledge for helping people Your system is demonic it has no evidence that it actually helps anyone and plenty of evidence that it actually harms people, but you refuse to use natural living plants in there true form not some artificially created pill that has been synthesized so the rich can get a patent on it and make some money out of it.

Sorry for having a go but you people hide behind ignorance and then have the gaul to have a go at someone when they are only about helping people.


More ranting. Show me your treatment works, then. Explain the process at a cellular level and then we can discuss it properly. Show me you understand the physiological processes you are promoting. If you don't understand and you cannot explain it, then it's all quackery. Come on, prove me wrong, I have no problems being wrong and learning something new.


Come on you are pulling my leg, you are constantly telling lies and you need me to explain to you how boron binds calcium into the bone and cures arthritis,


That doesn't explain the process. How does boron binds calcium to the bone? You need to explain the whole process in detail. Again: boron is broken down into molecules during digestion. What kind of molecules are those? How do they reach the bones? How do they bind to calcium? how do they transport calcium into the bones. I'm all ears.



posted on May, 17 2016 @ 04:01 AM
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a reply to: PaddyInf
It's got nothing to do with impressing people its base line figures and would you not be better off reading the thread rather than coming in and not understanding what we are talking about


I said all non emergency stent operations were a con and pardon come on and said 90% of all ops are done in an emergency so my figures show that 55000 ops were done in an emergency with the rest non emergency proving he was lying.


if you read up about statins the one thing they do not control is the C Reactive Protein they also do not know if the CRP is more important than the blocking of the cholesterol If my memory is right I will go and read the book again al I remember is that the CRP and statins is significant and as pardon claims to be involved (maybe I'm not quite sure) meaning they do not actually know If statins work at all how much does the NHS spend on statin medication seeing they do everything for as cheap as possible
anyway the CRP is important in the statin world even though that is based on a load of rubbish in itself blocking the bodies production of cholesterol in order to take up animal cholesterol from food.

Hmmm where are you getting this understanding from

Plaque formation begins due to excessive levels of blood cholesterol depositing in vessels, not weak arterial walls.


we are talking about heart operations and I am referencing the amazing abilities of silymarin which pardon did not know about and said I was talking rubbish
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...
and another study carried out on 40 patients with type 2 diabetes.

In addition, significant benefits were also seen regarding inflammation, with the silymarin group having a 28.4% decrease in high-sensitivity C-reactive protein


and the liver is vitally connected to the heart as if the liver is not working correctly then this puts the emphasis on the kidneys to start filtering out toxins out of the system obviously with all the fluoride (which annihilate the globules in the kidneys meaning the heart has to beat harder to be able to force the blood through the kidneys, so if you clean the liver out this will take pressure of the kidneys and therefore the heart.



Your post has lots of impressive sounding statements, but they seem to be meaningless.

and if the impressive sounding statements were true. what then?



posted on May, 17 2016 @ 07:01 AM
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I am not implying that you are trying to sound impressive, my point is that people iften look at grand sounding statements and take them at face value without actual understanding of their neaning.

You still haven't demonstrated how 'all non emergency stent operations are a con'. The concept of prophylactic surgery appears lost on you. The surgery is performed to PREVENT an emergency from occurring in the first place.

As for CRP - the jury is still out on its role in heart disease. It has been shown to be a definite marker for inflammation and people with high CRP levels are known to be at high risk of heart disease. It has not yet been established if this is due to the CRP itself or if it is something seperate causing the raised levels (cause vs effect).


Hmmm where are you getting this understanding from


Plaque formation begins due to excessive levels of blood cholesterol depositing in vessels, not weak arterial walls.


It was a direct response to your previous statement that plaques are caused by weak arterial walls which is not the case.

By the way, could you please start using some punctuation in your posts? It makes it so much easier to read and may make your points more succinct. I'm not trying to be a grammar nazi, but I'm sure you are making some decent points, I'm just struggling to decipher them. Cheers.



posted on May, 17 2016 @ 07:15 AM
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I say the same for parents who refuse to vaccinate their children. Hang em high



posted on May, 17 2016 @ 07:33 AM
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a reply to: damwel

You are calling for parents to be hanged? Yeah okay. I could say the same for any nurses or doctors that kill via vaccination. I know it doesn't officially happen very often but it DOES happen. Are you going to hold those "professionals" to any moral standards you expect of parents despite those parents merely for asserting just wanting medical liberties and those professionals killing or maiming?



posted on May, 18 2016 @ 12:08 AM
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Shouldn't go listening to nurses now, should we? At least that is what someone told me lately...


A variety of sources that go against the official stance, including a friend who Is a Nurse who tells me a completely different version.
www.sott.net...
And when surgeons come out and tell you that the industry has been lying to people and then you get contradictory arguments by Agartha saying they study everything and are not willing to listen to anything else even if it helps people simply states they are not interested in helping people,

so Agartha is telling lies asking me how boron works when the Industry does not even know how anaesthesia works. they tell people that heart disease is caused by fat and cholesterol complete lies.
As well as the complete lack of knowledge by heart specialists
The drugs they dispense which deplete nutrients out of the body is not offering a cure and if people want to believe that then sheep is a correct analogy isn't it especially when the information is wrong and people can't be bothered to research it.
Telling people they should exercise when they have heart trouble have any of you actually stopped and thought of this putting pressure on an organ and increasing it's work when it is already damaged
Telling people you cannot clean the arteries out when you can
and all Agartha wants to do is deflect my observations with you can't explain how it works what the has that got to do with anything,
if your arteries are narrowing Vitamin E strengthens them which is the cause of the blockage in the first place heart disease was researched by 2 doctors called Shute for 20 years.

If you think I am going to ignore that type of research when doctors all over the world did (and reduced heart patients lives by an average of 20 years) or ignore newnhams research over 30 years when 30% of the population suffer from arthritis then it would seem that the majority of the population are clearly trusting the wrong people and by Agartha's lack of reasonability in this matter clearly stating they are not going to research it themselves unless I provide evidence when they cannot explain anaesthesia i squite simply hypocritical and conveniently using there conditioning to not look at it
when I can see evidence of it working all over the world through newnhams research which is completely extensive when it in is in Israel's water supply and have an arthritis rate of only 0.7% when I helped a girl who had arthritis and no doctor could help her for 20 years and it remedied her symptoms inside 5 days

and agartha wants to call me mad when all I am pointing out are relevant facts what about this book telling the truth about the industry how all the regulatory bodies are being controlled by the drug companies

and you want to believe Agartha and not research what I am saying then Good luck with your health mate and keep drinking the fluoridated water
if you believe the lies that we are living longer then then your powers of observation have not been working correctly and you do no research this you just swallow what you are told.



posted on May, 18 2016 @ 12:15 AM
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They are right tho. Vaccines cause Autism. But they also protect from deseases... Hm.. Your child can either die or get autism? Lose/Lose situation.




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