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posted on May, 2 2016 @ 03:57 AM
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originally posted by: ketsuko
However, honey is anti-bacterial possibly because of its water activity but it may also have other factors in it that make it anti-bacterial. The proof that it's anti-bacterial is that you can pretty much keep it indefinitely in an open container in your pantry without worrying about it spoiling. Go ahead and try that with anything else.

So a lot of modern medicines are the direct descendants of their herbal ancestors.


You are absolutely correct, most medicines are actually derived from plants, look at aspirin for example: in ancient times people used willow bark to reduce temperature and inflammation. What they didn't know was that willow bark contains salicylic acid which is a key ingredient in aspirin (well, modern aspirin actually has acetylsallicylic acid as pure salicylic acid in large doses causes lots of damage).

Honey, especially Manuka, is used in creams that protect and help the healing of wounds in hospitals, we used them in geriatric patients. This is because honey has a very low concentration of water and low PH which is not the ideal ground for bacteria to grow.






originally posted by: NautPsycho
More children are being born with defects and cancers NOW over ANY other time in history.


Please provide evidence for the above. Thank you.


originally posted by: NautPsycho
Modern medicine is poo poo. Poop. Dookie. A lump. A smear. Mr hanky with no Christmas hat.


Reallt? So if you or your family have an accident or a stroke/heart attack you won't call an ambulance? Because paramedics and emergency staff use exactly the same science and exactly the same modern medicine you say is poo poo, you cannot differentiate from one and another... you rather die? Or watch your family die in agony?



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posted on May, 3 2016 @ 12:05 AM
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originally posted by: Metallicus

originally posted by: Lysergic
a reply to: Metallicus

As if a lack of modern medicine would've kept them alive longer?

I love garlic too, but I am failing to follow, yes garlic is great, but not so great one can dismiss all modern medicine as quackery.


I don't dismiss all modern medicine as quackery, but I also don't trust it either. Look at chemotherapies, vaccines and other things that are big money for Big Pharma. There are many natural remedies that are completely effective. Many Asian cultures still rely on natural remedies to solve their health problems.

People die of meningitis with or without modern medicine every day. Saying that not getting the child modern treatment was the cause of the child's death is not provable.

Vaccines are actually nearly non profitable, it's why the government has to step in.
Chemotherapies can be expensive, it really depends on the type of cancer, where it's located, how malignant it is, and how early it's detected.
And yes, they still use Traditional Medicine in China, in the rural areas.
Unfortunately, if it's anything that isn't self limiting it ends up like the case in the OP.
It should be noted that "traditional" medicine sprang up under Chairman Mao and his foot doctor program. Spread from faking medical photos of people undergoing surgery with needles stuck in them. Problem was they accidentally flipped their photos, the heads were facing the wrong direction for the arrangement of their bodies for heart surgery.
Due to the lack of real medicine these foot doctors were given books on the actual herbal benefit of local plants. Ones that have natural therapeuticv properties.
but they ran with them, instead of being the option if medicine wasn't available they took to trying to use them for everything.
And if you go over there today, you will be given ginger root for everything.
From colds to erectile disfunction.



posted on May, 3 2016 @ 12:06 AM
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a reply to: RuneSpider




And if you go over there today, you will be given ginger root for everything. From colds to erectile disfunction.
And, if you can afford it, rhino horn.
Traditional medicine.


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posted on May, 3 2016 @ 12:09 AM
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a reply to: Agartha

If I remember right, it isn't that they are being born with more maladies, it's that more of these children are surviving to birth, and then getting medical treatment.
Less than fifty years ago, these kids wouldn't have survived at all.
And there are other issues that exist apart from medical intervention.
I mean, me and my girlfriend are only going to be able to have children due to medical intervention due to issues with her reproductive tract.
I carry genes for cystic fybrosis, and she might as well.
There is a good chance that our kids will have similar health issues.
No matter how hard doctors push having a healthy diet and exercise, people tend not to do that.
This is especially bad during pregnancy.



posted on May, 3 2016 @ 12:11 AM
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originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: RuneSpider




And if you go over there today, you will be given ginger root for everything. From colds to erectile disfunction.
And, if you can afford it, rhino horn.
Traditional medicine.


Yeah, good old keratin.
Though to be fair, if that even counts here, most of the poaching has to do with a traditional ceremony in regards to obtaining the horn for a ceremonial knife.
No, I'm more concerned over bear bile and how it's harvested, tiger penis and how it's harvested.



posted on May, 10 2016 @ 12:57 AM
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a reply to: DumpMaster
Two sides to the story the pharmaceutical industry is a complete con and if it cannot charge for a cure then it ignores it and lets the patient die.
A friend of mine recently had cannabis poisoning for the second time, the first time was 12 years ago the hospital could not treat him and even accused him of faking his symptoms and being an alcoholic, it was only when a specialist came to see him that he tore shreds of the nursing staff and instructed them to do whatever my mate wanted which was to have a shower every 20 minutes as that was the only way of supressing the pain he was in, the doctor then told my friend the only way of curing him was to use slippery elm bark and silymarin, the doctor also told him not to say anything to anyone as he would get the sack.
So fast forward 12 years to 4 weeks ago when my friend was readmitted for the second time with liver poisoning from overuse of marijuana (hybridisation is not a good form of marijuana and all those thinking that marijuana is good needs to understand that only the natural form of marijuana with the seeds in is the safest and the most beneficial to be used in curing people) expecting the hospital to now be using said remedy he languished in hospital for a week before tearing the drip out of his arm and giving the nurses and doctors what for before going to a naturopath who recommended slippery elm bark silymarin and ecinachea he went to a chemist bought said items and within 36 hours started to heal although he said almost immediately he started to feel better.

So if we go by your tirade at allowing the parents to die instead of the child should we not all go out and do the same to the nurses and doctors in these same hospitals that you pretend are actually doing good?

your words are true of being brainwashed picking on individual cases that cater to your individual misguided beliefs yet ignoring the complete opposite.

lets take this further shall we these same hospitals you think are good categorically state they have no cure for Cancer Aids and Diabetes yet in 1988 Dr Sebi was taken to court for advertising that he could cure these afflictions by the corrupt FDA,
Sebi was asked by the judge to provide proof of just one instance of each claim he ended up providing 70 testimonials that proved he cured these things with the correct food. the judge had a go at the FDA for not ascertaining if sebi was telling the truth proving that the medical establishment is completely fraudulent.

so your words are severely incorrect and you attacking these parents is completely wrong but if you keep on consuming fluoride and other nuclear waste products this is no surprise.

here Is another one who doesn't understand medicine and proves it by mentioning Pasteur who hid his research so he could claim the anthrax prize.
pasteurisation was proven by the BMA in 1927 or 1928 to kill all nutrition in the milk it obviously kills the enzymes that killed the bacteria when we drank the milk (although it is not a good idea to drink other animals milk) pasteurisation does not kill the spores that are responsible for the diseases we have today.
this has allowed the pseudo pharmaceutical world to give out vaccinations that injure at least one in three who are given it. aetherforce.com...

VAERS is covering up the Data on how many doctors actually report the side effects and the official side effect reporting last year was 58 thousand side effects from 10 million vaccines administered to under 1 year old yet the amount of doctors who report is hidden from us meaning we do not know the true figures of how many suffer side effects yet ti would be easy to install a question if the doctor had reported a side effect before hand therefore we would know the reality of underreporting.
The hospitals are not telling the parents when there child goes into hospital. I was talking to a girl whose son had gotten leukemia she had no clue where her child contracted it from and I asked if he had had a vaccination she said yes but the hospital had not told her it was from the vaccination so she thought no more of it,
there were 8 babies in the ward all of which had leukemia her son was the only baby to come out of that ward alive so the hospitals are also involved in the cover up of children being killed by vaccines. the formaldehyde is responsible for the leukemia yet the FDA say that aldehyde is found in huge amounts within the body and it is safe but they do not tell you that the body destroys it immediately.

I also cannot see any reports on anaphylaxis on the side effects list and I am not going to go through the 58 thousand entries, anaphylaxis had a 90% causal rate from vaccines 60 years ago when the person had a second vaccine and now there are none yet anaphl axis
affects a possible 45 million people in the states I wonder how many of them have had a vaccination also peanut allergies doubled when the thimerosal was removed from the vaccines that coincides with the increase in autism as well as it seems the mercury even though was dangerous caused less problems than just having the aluminium in the vaccines



posted on May, 10 2016 @ 01:48 AM
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a reply to: jinni73

Sebi was asked by the judge to provide proof of just one instance of each claim he ended up providing 70 testimonials that proved he cured these things with the correct food.
Testimonials are not proof of much of anything when it comes to science.




I also cannot see any reports on anaphylaxis on the side effects list and I am not going to go through the 58 thousand entries, anaphylaxis had a 90% causal rate from vaccines 60 years ago when the person had a second vaccine and now there are none

A simple search of the VAERS database shows 1,033 reports of ANAPHYLACTIC REACTION
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posted on May, 10 2016 @ 04:17 AM
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originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: jinni73

Sebi was asked by the judge to provide proof of just one instance of each claim he ended up providing 70 testimonials that proved he cured these things with the correct food.
Testimonials are not proof of much of anything when it comes to science.




I also cannot see any reports on anaphylaxis on the side effects list and I am not going to go through the 58 thousand entries, anaphylaxis had a 90% causal rate from vaccines 60 years ago when the person had a second vaccine and now there are none

A simple search of the VAERS database shows 1,033 reports of ANAPHYLACTIC REACTION


Ok cool Not too au fait with how to search for it and I was just looking through the symptoms as they were listed and I was running out of time.
cheers

and testimonials that were provided to the Judge in response to Sebi's claims



Dr. Sebi was told to bring 1 person for each of the diseases he claimed to court with proof from a reputable doctor that the individual had the disease, then proof from another reputable doctor that the person was cured. Instead of bringing 1 for each disease, approx. 70 people filled the court all with proof! The judge shook his head according to Dr. Sebi and said I did not ask for all of this. To make a long story short, the judge after seeing the proof and speaking with Dr. Sebi turned to the states attorney and asked, “Did you investigate the man?” She said, “No” The judge then said, “well, the answer he just gave me, he cures AIDS. You all are in trouble.” Dr. Sebi was then found NOT GUILTY on all charges by the state of New York and the Supreme Court because he was indeed curing people of the various diseases, including AIDS. Dr. Sebi had cured 5 AIDS patients before he put the Ad in the papers.


come on Phage saying the judge is an idiot that's not nice!

in relation to the parents they used the wrong food garlic and echinacea are hybridised foods and according to Sebi and others will not be as effective as the original foods they were derived from,
I do think you should use a doctor for a diagnosis yet it should be up to you how to treat them but trusting a Doctor is nuts



posted on May, 10 2016 @ 04:44 AM
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a reply to: Agartha


Honey, especially Manuka, is used in creams that protect and help the healing of wounds in hospitals, we used them in geriatric patients. This is because honey has a very low concentration of water and low PH which is not the ideal ground for bacteria to grow


It contains Hydrogen Peroxide.


Please provide evidence for the above. Thank you


We were discussing chemical fertiliser on one thread here and a member who lives on a farm said that there are many birth defects caused by the use of pesticides and the rate is very high on farms.
it seems obvious that the effect will trickle down through the food chain.

and the cancer claim is easy to prove seeing it only affected older people before 1948 and was extremely uncommon the use of fluoride.

and it is obvious in an emergency you use an ambulance the only thing you should use a hospital for is emergencies and you of all people should know that, look at how many people are patients because of arthritis and bone problems 30% yet Boron has been proven to remove this need yet the governments ban it.



posted on May, 10 2016 @ 05:03 AM
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Look, you can bang on about how 'big pharma' is useless and ra ra ra.

I trained and worked as a nurse back in the early 90s. Since then I no longer practice nursing, but have travelled over much of the planet, particularly sub Saharan Africa and the Middle East. I have encountered many cultures who rely on natural cures and treatments. Life expectancy is generally much lower than the West, and people are often left with debilitating deformation of limbs, sensory loss or other horrible lifelong conditions from relatively minor ailments. Infant mortality is typically high. Conditions which are pretty much gone in developed countries due to routine immunisations are rife in these areas.

I have seen many people die from simple infections and illnesses through a lack of access to modern medicines. By the same note I have seen many more survive and thrive following basic medical interventions. I have saved lives with modern medical practices and medications which would have otherwise been lost.

In my experience homeopathic and other alternative treatments are usually at best a bit of a booster to the natural immune system and at worst downright dangerous.

If I ever develop meningitis you can keep your tree bark chewing, frog licking, garlic powder sniffing treatments to yourself. I want to be in a hospital, pumped so full of antibiotics that I'm pissing penicillin.



posted on May, 10 2016 @ 06:28 AM
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Well. Well.

Many and varied opinions here....I'm pretty quiet, but this topic hits home.
I had meningitis in 1987. It makes your head hurt, hurt to the stage you don't know who you are, where you are, even what you are. They say lumbar punctures are painful..when you have meningitis you don't even feel it.

My son had meningitis last August. He had a headache friday, 10 hours later he had no idea what he was doing. Off to the hospital. Fantastic ER staff. They diagnosed, and had the strain in about 10 minutes.

We were then sent home, with instructions to call at a certain time, because they were taking him into ICU to stabilize him. The slowest time of my life.

Neither myself nor my son would have survived without acute medical attention, a very fast diagnosis and intravenous antibiotics for about 4 weeks.

I'm sorry, but there's no way the "didn't realize how sick he was" cuts it in any way shape or form. This kid would have been in that much pain he wouldn't have been able to even cry about it. (Wow, I could have a huge rant right now)

It takes you down so quickly, that if you weren't around people who could get you to hospital, you probably wouldn't get there.....Bypass it on the way to the morgue.

40% of people have the right material up there nose to cause meningitis, it usually stays dormant, can also cause pneumonia. It is when it's meningitis and the brain lining (meninges) swell and squash your brain.. It hurts beyond anything I have ever felt to the point you cannot even articulate it.

I've seen how it is, and experienced it, and I'm sitting here crying for that poor baby.



posted on May, 10 2016 @ 07:03 AM
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Good, next they should arrest every parent who is delusional over vaccines.
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posted on May, 10 2016 @ 01:34 PM
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originally posted by: jinni73
It contains Hydrogen Peroxide.


Not all types of honey contain Hydrogen Peroxide: Manuka, the one I mentioned, doesn't. Manuka is non-peroxide honey and still retains its antibacterial effects due to the factors mentioned in my previous post.



and it is obvious in an emergency you use an ambulance the only thing you should use a hospital for is emergencies and you of all people should know that


My point was that all doctors use the same system, the same evidence based medicine. You cannot say that doctors are poo poo (as the other poster called them) when it comes to immunization or cancer, and then doctors are fine when you have an emergency. That's very hypocritical.



look at how many people are patients because of arthritis and bone problems 30% yet Boron has been proven to remove this need yet the governments ban it.


And why do you think governments ban it?




originally posted by: PaddyInf
If I ever develop meningitis you can keep your tree bark chewing, frog licking, garlic powder sniffing treatments to yourself. I want to be in a hospital, pumped so full of antibiotics that I'm pissing penicillin.


Absolutely! I've also spent some time in West Africa and I realize that this slagging off doctors and modern medicine only happens in countries where people are spoiled for choices.





originally posted by: MadMegs
I've seen how it is, and experienced it, and I'm sitting here crying for that poor baby.


Same here, imagine how much he must have suffered before he passed away...

My brother almost died due to meningitis, so I can understand what you went through. I'm glad your son is ok now.



posted on May, 12 2016 @ 07:31 PM
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a reply to: Agartha


Not all types of honey contain Hydrogen Peroxide: Manuka, the one I mentioned, doesn't. Manuka is non-peroxide honey and still retains its antibacterial effects due to the factors mentioned in my previous post.


www.jarrahhoneyinfo.com...

I emailed this company asking for the other nutritional elements in their honey as It Is claimed this is the most potent antimicrobial honey in the world and I wanted to research this claim,
the girl responding forwarding me onto some Australian government food authority asking that they might have the details,
but the main factor in defining the antimicrobial activity in honey is the hydrogen peroxide content the lower the HP the less anti bacterial activity it contains and here are some separate studies carried out to confirm this.

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

another book that also mentions the HP content in honey read from the second paragra ph If you carry on reading the paragraph it also has a warning for using Manuka honey in wound healing as it also encourages a pro inflammatory marker

another study of 477honeys


In most cases the antibacterial activity was attributable to hydrogen peroxide produced by the bee-derived enzyme glucose oxidase.


further down the analysis discovered that HP content decreases.
This is because of the catalase enzyme all honeys that are untreated with heat have HP and Catalase and unless the honeys are fresh then the antibacterial action will be greatly reduced. there are some honeys that do not have the HP and the phenols are the main reason for the anti bacterial activity

Manuka Honey research
In 1981, researchers at the New Zealand University of Waikato discovered that Manuka honey has a considerably higher level of enzymes than regular honey. These enzymes create a natural hydrogen peroxide that works as an antibacterial. Some strains of this New Zealand honey are particularly rich in hydrogen peroxide, methylglyoxal and dihydroxyacetone.

All honeys are pretty much dependant on the soil the plants are grown in, Manuka Is basically a marketing success it is not really much different to any other honey but the soil in new Zealand is very good but then again so is any other volcanic region


My point was that all doctors use the same system, the same evidence based medicine. You cannot say that doctors are poo poo (as the other poster called them) when it comes to immunization or cancer, and then doctors are fine when you have an emergency. That's very hypocritical.


the essential system and non essential system are 2 completely different games one is immediate and has to be dealt with as such and hospitals are completely geared up for that and I think these actions are amazing.

but the non essential where by hospitals do heart operations including stents and angiograms are criminal activities going against the natural remedies that we have available and are effectively murdering people for the gain of money,

hospitals generate 50% of there income from these non-essential heart operations which can easily be avoided by the use of natural medicines like Sunflower or Egg Lecithin combined with Safflower Oil or Calgam, then you have Natural Vitamin E combined with A and C, Silymarin combined with Slippery elm bark, all of these methods clear the liver rebalance the heart and clean out the arteries yet a doctor wants to cut you open and poke about in you for no other reason that generating money.



posted on May, 12 2016 @ 11:47 PM
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And why do you think governments ban it?

What boron the government ban it because it can cure some forms of arthritis and remove fluoride out of the body, as well as it taking profits away from pharmaceutical companies,

But if you have been ingesting fluoride you think your government is on your side but once you actually latch onto the truth you will see they are against you in fact Boron is a prime example for you to understand the medical industry and governments are nothing other than corporate terrorists that use health and chemicals against us.
But most people do not want to have there reality shaken and would rather be poisoned by there governments and corporations than know the truth!

boron also balances the sympathetic system increases testosterone and is the main factor in binding calcium into the bone as well as about 150 other uses, chemical fertiliser restricts plants uptaking boron by 95%
here is one article on its benefits www.advance-health.com...

do your research on the matter and find someone who has arthritis and then give them boron 3 mg is enough and magnesium (Epsom salts are good 400mg a day) add them into some distilled water



posted on May, 13 2016 @ 03:10 AM
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originally posted by: jinni73
a reply to: Agartha


Not all types of honey contain Hydrogen Peroxide: Manuka, the one I mentioned, doesn't. Manuka is non-peroxide honey and still retains its antibacterial effects due to the factors mentioned in my previous post.


www.jarrahhoneyinfo.com...

I emailed this company asking for the other nutritional elements in their honey as It Is claimed this is the most potent antimicrobial honey in the world and I wanted to research this claim,
the girl responding forwarding me onto some Australian government food authority asking that they might have the details,
but the main factor in defining the antimicrobial activity in honey is the hydrogen peroxide content the lower the HP the less anti bacterial activity it contains and here are some separate studies carried out to confirm this.

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

another book that also mentions the HP content in honey read from the second paragra ph If you carry on reading the paragraph it also has a warning for using Manuka honey in wound healing as it also encourages a pro inflammatory marker

another study of 477honeys


In most cases the antibacterial activity was attributable to hydrogen peroxide produced by the bee-derived enzyme glucose oxidase.


further down the analysis discovered that HP content decreases.
This is because of the catalase enzyme all honeys that are untreated with heat have HP and Catalase and unless the honeys are fresh then the antibacterial action will be greatly reduced. there are some honeys that do not have the HP and the phenols are the main reason for the anti bacterial activity

Manuka Honey research
In 1981, researchers at the New Zealand University of Waikato discovered that Manuka honey has a considerably higher level of enzymes than regular honey. These enzymes create a natural hydrogen peroxide that works as an antibacterial. Some strains of this New Zealand honey are particularly rich in hydrogen peroxide, methylglyoxal and dihydroxyacetone.

All honeys are pretty much dependant on the soil the plants are grown in, Manuka Is basically a marketing success it is not really much different to any other honey but the soil in new Zealand is very good but then again so is any other volcanic region


My point was that all doctors use the same system, the same evidence based medicine. You cannot say that doctors are poo poo (as the other poster called them) when it comes to immunization or cancer, and then doctors are fine when you have an emergency. That's very hypocritical.


the essential system and non essential system are 2 completely different games one is immediate and has to be dealt with as such and hospitals are completely geared up for that and I think these actions are amazing.

but the non essential where by hospitals do heart operations including stents and angiograms are criminal activities going against the natural remedies that we have available and are effectively murdering people for the gain of money,

hospitals generate 50% of there income from these non-essential heart operations which can easily be avoided by the use of natural medicines like Sunflower or Egg Lecithin combined with Safflower Oil or Calgam, then you have Natural Vitamin E combined with A and C, Silymarin combined with Slippery elm bark, all of these methods clear the liver rebalance the heart and clean out the arteries yet a doctor wants to cut you open and poke about in you for no other reason that generating money.



Can you show me how a 70% (or more) occlusion in the left main coronary artery presenting as severe chest pain resulting in an ST-elevated myocardial infarction is countered by your natural medicines please?
Can you tell me how these emergency cases (as 90% of stent placements and revascularisation procedures are emergencies) are deemed "non-essential"?
Sure, they can in some cases be prevented eating healthily for years but not as they occur.

Do you know what an angiogram is?
Are you confusing angiograms with angioplasties?
Do you know how much a hospital saves by performing non-invasive revascularisation techniques?
Have you worked in cardiology at all?
Have you ever spoken to a cardiologist at all?
Have you ever sat in with a cardiologist when they're doing an outpatient clinic at all?
No. Didn't think so.
You may be very surprised that most of the conversations, certainly with people presenting early enough, are about lifestyle changes, you know, eating healthier, losing weight, doing some exercise etc.

How do these compounds "clear the liver"?
What exactly does this mean?

What do you mean by "rebalance the heart"?
Please explain this in as clinical terms as you can.
If you can't, link to somewhere that can as I'd be very interested to learn about this as yet unknown issue of "heart imbalance".

Or are you talking out of your bumper?

I'll go with the latter.



posted on May, 13 2016 @ 03:14 AM
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originally posted by: jinni73
www.jarrahhoneyinfo.com...
I emailed this company asking for the other nutritional elements in their honey as It Is claimed this is the most potent antimicrobial honey in the world and I wanted to research this claim, the girl responding forwarding me onto some Australian government food authority asking that they might have the details


That's a shopping site, real evidence is from peer reviewed articles on studies that have analyzed Manuka honey.


but the main factor in defining the antimicrobial activity in honey is the hydrogen peroxide content the lower the HP the less anti bacterial activity it contains and here are some separate studies carried out to confirm this.
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...


^^ NOT Manuka honey. You have two excellent studies there but about different types of honey, not Manuka.


another book that also mentions the HP content in honey read from the second paragra ph If you carry on reading the paragraph it also has a warning for using Manuka honey in wound healing as it also encourages a pro inflammatory marker


Here are studies that show Manuka is safe (but bear in mind in hospitals we use a Manuka honey cream, not honey from a pot):
LINK
LINK
Anti-inflammatory properties.
Manuka is non-peroxide.


the essential system and non essential system are 2 completely different games one is immediate and has to be dealt with as such and hospitals are completely geared up for that and I think these actions are amazing.
but the non essential where by hospitals do heart operations including stents and angiograms are criminal activities going against the natural remedies that we have available and are effectively murdering people for the gain of money,

hospitals generate 50% of there income from these non-essential heart operations which can easily be avoided by the use of natural medicines like Sunflower or Egg Lecithin combined with Safflower Oil or Calgam, then you have Natural Vitamin E combined with A and C, Silymarin combined with Slippery elm bark, all of these methods clear the liver rebalance the heart and clean out the arteries yet a doctor wants to cut you open and poke about in you for no other reason that generating money.


Stents and angiograms are criminal activities?
I live in the UK where we have social health care, we don't pay for any operation. I work in a hospital and I know doctors will only choose to operate only when there's no other solution. With certain conditions doctor always recommend a change in lifestyle, diet and exercise, not pills. But if you believe you can heal a damaged heart with oils and vitamins, then you live in your fantasy world.

Arteries get blocked up with plaque: no oil/berry or herbal powder can remove it, it's just physiologically impossible.
But I am willing to listen to your explanation.


boron also balances the sympathetic system increases testosterone and is the main factor in binding calcium into the bone as well as about 150 other uses, chemical fertiliser restricts plants uptaking boron by 95%
here is one article on its benefits www.advance-health.com...

do your research on the matter and find someone who has arthritis and then give them boron 3 mg is enough and magnesium (Epsom salts are good 400mg a day) add them into some distilled water


Your link is not to a scientific/medical site, hence their disclaimer at the bottom:

The information in this article is not intended to provide personal medical advice, which should be obtained from a medical professional.


There is no evidence of Boron deficiency causing arthritis and no evidence of Boron curing arthritis: LINK



posted on May, 13 2016 @ 03:18 AM
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originally posted by: Pardon?
You may be very surprised that most of the conversations, certainly with people presenting early enough, are about lifestyle changes, you know, eating healthier, losing weight, doing some exercise etc.


I just said that. Doctors try to avoid operations until there's nothing else they can do, because operations always carry too many risks.



posted on May, 13 2016 @ 04:36 AM
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originally posted by: Agartha

originally posted by: Pardon?
You may be very surprised that most of the conversations, certainly with people presenting early enough, are about lifestyle changes, you know, eating healthier, losing weight, doing some exercise etc.


I just said that. Doctors try to avoid operations until there's nothing else they can do, because operations always carry too many risks.


Not to mention doctors and surgeons refusing to operate as the risk outweighs any benefit to the patient even if the patient tries to go private and offers to pay for it.

But it's all for the money isn't it...?

Wouldn't you love these anti-health crusaders to spend just one day in a busy cardiology or oncology ward to experience the real world and not the fantasy land they exist in?
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posted on May, 13 2016 @ 10:17 PM
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a reply to: Agartha


There is no evidence of Boron deficiency causing arthritis and no evidence of Boron curing arthritis


There is heaps of evidence and how do I know this because I use it on people and it turns their life around
and here is one guy who has studied boron and arthritis for 30 years how long have you been studying it or are you relying on what you are being told

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...


and if you are going to give me pharmaceutical controlled organisations like Pubmed or the FDA and only stick to that line of thinking without trying harmless cures on people then how is it possible to explain things to you and get you to see that the industry you so ardently believe in is not doing the right thing, the system is completely corrupt and you Ignore other peoples experiences as well as ignoring the basic medical principal of do no harm by sticking to your beliefs.

If you know someone with arthritis give them 3 mg of boron and 400mg of magnesium (preferably picolinate forms) then you can see for yourself if you are going to rely on what we are allowed to see by corporations then you can carry on in your world,


Your link is not to a scientific/medical site, hence their disclaimer at the bottom:

how can I argue against brainwashing If you constantly keep telling me that your thoughts are centred on one way of thinking and you need an official site in your eyes to present it to you.
How is it possible for you to learn If you do not have the ability to look at this from a different way and I even present to you a simple way to test it and you are still arguing.

boron and magnesium are harmless so if you don't want to test it then fine I did try to wake you up discernment is an integral part of intelligence and if you refuse to test this and stick to the lies that you are fed then its your life to waste not mine.

I am assuming you know someone with arthritis it will take around 7-21 days for an amazing improvement I helped one 77 year old and within 3 days she could raise her arms above her head and all pain had gone she had this for 20 years because doctors are taught things that only benefit rich people and keep people in pain because they don't have the faculties to try other natural cures.


Arteries get blocked up with plaque: no oil/berry or herbal powder can remove it, it's just physiologically impossible.

Its only physiologically impossible because that's what you want to believe you will not test these yourself to find out if what they say is true, there is no money in it.
I would also use Boron as it is essential in repairing arteries and angiogenesis as well as IV Hydrogen Peroxide
Sunflower Lecithin (not soy) and Safflower oil one teaspoon of each a day also Calgam (you need to add B6 and you do not use synthetic products of any type in any mineral or vitamin as hey do not work) has been claimed by the Russians to completely obliterate blocked arteries in the lower extremities, 20 years research was carried out by the Russians Italians and Swiss and the Russians patented Calgam and the FDA then banned it LOL Calgam is used for around 48 different diseases and allows oxygen to be used more efficiently by the brain ad cells (there's that word again Oxygen)

you will also need to use Vitamin E to strengthen the arteries for Vitamin E to work the most effectively you need all the rest of the nutrients this research was carried out by the shute brothers and proved Vit e was essential to heart health and would add on about 20 years to peoples lives if the pharmaceutical doctors would use it but of course the research was ignored and thousands of people had many years of there lives taken form them by the doctors.




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