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originally posted by: crayzeed
a reply to: anxiouswensThat of course is the really burning question in the UK. In answer to your question ,why are we soft targets in the UK? Think it through.
Why, because we are innocent people who actually believe that the police and security forces can protect us. Nothing is further from the truth. Virtually all actions by police and security are retro-active, they wait for the crime to be commited before they act. But when it's your life that can be lost before they act it is not good enough.
Whether that's through an assault, break in or an act of terrorism if they cannot protect us first hand then we must be allowed to protect ourselves.
In answer to your post the power of gun ownership is in the deterrent factor. If we were allowed to carry guns the soft target option would vanish overnight. Ok, we all know there is no defence against bombers but shooters are another scenario and it's called damage limitation and if it saves just one life it's well worth it.
originally posted by: MayanBoricua
a reply to: anxiouswens
There was a Draw Muhammad Day in the Outskirts of Dallas, Texas a while back. A few muslims got angry and decided to go shoot up the building it was being held at.
The assault didnt even last 30 seconds, and the didnt make it ten feet from the car before they were gunned down. No one was hit in the crossfire, and guns were put away once the threat ended.
Thats what happens when you mess with Texas.
originally posted by: TheBulk
originally posted by: introvert
Legal gun ownership does not necessarily mean citizens are more protected from terrorist attack.
Who has the best chances? Stop being so purposely dense. You're not fooling anyone.
originally posted by: Irishhaf
a reply to: introvert
but its not always a suicide bomber or planes crashing into buildings...
the concert in paris for example, what if a half a dozen people had been able to return fire on the gunmen? Might have made a difference might not... either way it doesnt matter. The last thing I would want to to is huddle in fear hoping someone comes along to save me before I am shot.
Its very cliche I know, and I hope I never have to find out... but I would rather die on my feet trying to survive, and protect my family or innocents around me than die on my knees praying for a miracle.
The break in gunfire allowed Meli to pull out his own gun, but he never took his eyes off the shooter. As Iwas going down to pull, Isaw someone in the back of the Charlotte move, and Iknew if Ifired and missed, I could hit them, he said. Meli took cover inside a nearby store. He never pulled the trigger. He stands by that decision. I'm not beating myself up cause I didn't shoot him, said Meli. Iknow after he saw me, I think the last shot he fired was the one he used on himself.
originally posted by: sycomix
a reply to: uncommitted
What gives you the idea that we are rednecks or idiots??? As far as understanding a religion, child brides, FGM, beheadings, and so on and so forth, I think we have a clear understanding of what we don't like. Ohh and yes it is for the most part a bad idea to mess with Texas.
originally posted by: crayzeed
a reply to: imjackBut that is what they are doing in Europe, coming one, two or three at a time. It is agreed that no-one can protect against a bomber (except if he is identified and neutralised before he can detonate.
But against knifemen or gunmen it comes down to, as I said, damage limitation.
The gunman must act first to identify him as a threat but from then on if there was an armed person with the will they can limit the loss of life. One must remember the perpetrators are out for the maximum deaths as possible, if that could be kept minimal (god forbid we are talking about loss of life here) then the odds are they would not attempt it in the first place. Remember they go for crowded places not isolated people.