Mexicans don't like Americans ok...

a reply to: openminded2011
I met a Mexican woman who kept smiling at me, then handed me money. It was my change. She owns the market by my house. An example of running into someone who is selling something, and you are the customer. Versus- living in neighborhoods where almost everyone is traditional Mexican and they really don't like other people, and the actions and attitudes of the not nice ones, overshadow the nice ones.

I work in a position where I constantly visit many schools in the Southern California area. Some of these schools are literally 98% Mexican, speaking broken or little English. It is noticeable the attitudes of those schools are very rude and disrespectful. When someone stands to speak, they will yelling things, laughing, trying to emulate the thug culture. To the point that it is unbelievable anyone would ever allow them to get away with this, a noticeable difference from ALL other schools. Of course, there are some extremely nice, respectful kids in the crowd too, but it is hard to notice them past all the other activity.

The only way to get respect is to create an environment where people come legally and respect American culture and traditions. It's the only way anyone will ever respect you. Mexicans or anyone else.

originally posted by: DeadAgain
The only way to get respect is to create an environment where people come legally and respect American culture and traditions. It's the only way anyone will ever respect you. Mexicans or anyone else.

By "legally", you mean using programs like EB-5? Nothing like buying citizenship, especially when you are from an oil rich middle eastern nation like Saudi Arabia.

""Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she
With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"'

Attention poor and downtrodden of the world The light has been extinguished. Unless you can pay the bill. That'll be $1,000,000 US dollars (or $500,000 if you move into one of our ghettos).

a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

I think it's best if someone is able to contribute to their new nation. It isn't the 19th century anymore where unskilled labor was essential but people can choose any future they want and they will have the opportunity to do just that.

a reply to: DeadAgain

This reminds me of the notion of "upper class" creating walled cities for themselves.

The American Dream is dead, people. Return to your boats, America is closed.

ETA: the concept of "contribute"....

What invariably ends up happening is something along the lines of an Indian doctor sends a few tens of thousands back to India each month to help support family there. Eventually, a nephew or something will want to come to America, so the doctor will sponsor his nephew. Maybe he'll buy him into EB-5 with cash, maybe he will give him a hotel or something. I can imagine more scenarios...but am sticking to scenarios taht I have personally seen a few (dozen) times (and its not only Indian...that is just this example).

So now you have the doctor and his nephew earning rather large amounts of cash (profit margin on hotels is upwards of 70%), still exporting that cash back to their home nation, and still sponsoring other family members into various EB-5 ventures. Each exporting their own cash.

So we import "talent" (i.e., regular joes like you and I, but with a rich uncle to give them some seed money), and export cash (i.e., the actual value of our economy).

The notion sounds great on the surface...but see how its actually done and you have second thoughts. Unless the idea of exporting our economy to India in exchange for some folks who, themselves, don't really integrate into our society either...ok. Sure.

a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

I'm wondering if you have read American history. The laws regarding immigration have at times been many more times harsh than today and breaking the law has been been a key pillar of the American dream. If you disagree that's fine but lets not pretend Ellis Island never existed or the deportations under Eisenhower. Much worse as well... not that it matters as long as America culture is the dominate one history books will be written in the language of and in support of the dominate culture.

a reply to: yuppa

Oh and one more thing..its not wise to piss someone off who can have you investigated. Lucky for you im not that spiteful.

It is not wise to get pissed over random things and threat people

a reply to: DeadAgain

I've read American history. Im particularly well versed on the history along our southern border.

There's always ebbing and flowing in things like nationalism and protectionism. It comes and goes, like following something along the lines of Strauss Howe Generational Theory.

But even more relevant than our history is our current events. You can't expect Mexican people to not flee the cess pool we have created out of their country.

a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

To tell the truth. In spite of my experience in Moses Lake, I think we should annex Mexico. It is lovely country, just needs good governance and crime control. But when I say that, they say oh no. So what is the plan? Come over our borders, take, breed, and stay mexicans first? That may sound mean, but that is the way a lot see it. I don't know anyone who does not think mexicans are good people as a whole, but there does have to be a limitation to culture take over. I know for a fact, because I heard from the mouth of a mexican mother, that the children are to speak spanish til they go to school. Then they want the school to teach first graders a second language.

a reply to: Indigent

A search for the Mexican Indian tribe that laid claim to the land for millenea before the US stole it returned no results.

Mexicans don't hate Americans, they hate blacks becuase they think they are lazy.

The thing I hate the most, is when immigrants or foreigners talk mad sh!t about america and their home country is riddled with crime, corruption and unequal human rights.

Somehow it is all okay because they believe their culture is superior.

Saying that America should allow Mexicans into our country bc Americans invaded and slaughtered the Indians may be dumbest argument ever and only a dem would make. Every time I argue with a liberal online I think of all the liberals I know in real life and it makes all my anger go away.

originally posted by: onequestion
a reply to: centarix

Your going to blame the cartels actions on our laws?

You know they can choose to not be drug dealers murders and rapist right?

That's a personal choice.

If every drug was legal in the US would there be Mexican cartels? No. Human beings have the human right to grow and consume any plant they wish. That is nature. God put the coca leaf, poppy flower, and all the rest here for us to use in any way we wish. Being a drug dealer is wonderful noble choice, so long as you keep it a peaceful job. I'm sure most of them do, and the ones that rape and murder probably don't do as much damage over all their lifetimes as big pharma does in a single year with their drug deals. Do we see cartel crime with alcohol sales? No, because its rendered legal and acceptable in moderation, like all drugs should be.

I think a reasonable person would come to the conclusion that the USA is totally invalid as an organization after accidentally killing 300,000 people in Iraq as "collateral damage". The USA is not serious. I'm not part of it and you shouldn't be either. After Iraq, and of course from the start over dozens of incidences with millions upon millions dead, the organization has zero respectability or legitimacy. Those who believe otherwise are cult members, who believe their abusive master is somehow a good one.

a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

Somehow your implying that because we've outlawed drugs that it's our fault Many Mexicans have decided to sell drugs?

I thought you were into personal responsibility?

originally posted by: tothetenthpower

If America had any kind of actual culture other than pop music, hollywood and clown show politics, maybe I would agree with you. But America's actual Culture is derived from centuries of immigration, which means any culture technically fits within the purview of America.

~Tenth

Maybe the better way to say this is they do not want to be Americans, they want to come here make money, educate their kids in our schools for free then invest back in their homeland for their return. You say his personal experience is anecdotal so I suggest the plethora of videos across our border towns that show illegal aliens demonstrating their support for Mexico adds support to his experience.

which means any culture technically fits within the purview of America.

Not really correct. This is like saying Indian corn and that sweet yellow corn you eat are technically the same, so do you eat Indian corn also? It doesn't take very long for a culture to break off from an original one to be basically independent.

originally posted by: LibsAreBeta
Saying that America should allow Mexicans into our country bc Americans invaded and slaughtered the Indians may be dumbest argument ever and only a dem would make. Every time I argue with a liberal online I think of all the liberals I know in real life and it makes all my anger go away.

Could we not redraw EVERY border in the world if this was the case? BTW why do the Spanish get a break...They basically caused the destruction of the population in the Americas and destroyed a few cultures/nations along the way too. But no one says Those Evil Spanish....

The last ten years have not been good for mexicans, when the economy crashed mexicans were made the scapegoats, and now we are all at each other's throats while the corporate elites and banksters live it up. Some mexicans automatically assume all white people hate them just like some people automatically think any Hispanic looking person is a welfare leeching illegal, every cop is a killer, every Muslim is a terrorist or every black is a thug etc etc. America needs to unite rather than divide and we need to look at who the real enemy is, the greedy corporations who are hiring illegals, shipping our jobs overseas, our government who spends trillions fighting unjust wars etc etc. When the going gets tough Americans do not unite we start blaming each other for our woes, we need to unite now more than ever, instead of creating a bigger political and social divide.

originally posted by: onequestion
a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

Somehow your implying that because we've outlawed drugs that it's our fault Many Mexicans have decided to sell drugs?

I thought you were into personal responsibility?

Wait...what?!?

Im interested, just out of curiosity, what i said that led you to believe that I was claiming "many Mexicans" sell drugs. In fact, where I insinuate that Mexicans sell drugs.

What I AM insinuating is that Uncle Sam has created the Sinloa Cartel solely for the purpose of creating over land drug trafficking routes that will prevent the potential risk of events like Mayan Jaguar, and the jet it left on the floor of the Gulf.

Further, I AM insinuating that Uncle Sam/s meddling in the affairs of Mexico has screwed the average Mexican citizen six ways to Sunday, leaving them with 2 options: 1. stay in Mexico and have no future for your children 2. leave Mexico and try to give your children a fighting chance.

Lastly, and I won't even insinuate this: Mexican citizens that are here "illegally" are, in fact, refugees from a situation the US created.

I am 100% for personal responsibility. I believe that the citizens of the US are responsible for the misery its government has created. And that we need to suck it up and quit whining about "them Mexicans" who are just trying to find a place where they have a chance. They didn't ruin their country...we did. We are responsible. Unless we are now wanting to assume that Fast and Furious wasn't gun running, but was flower smuggling. Or that Mayan Jaguar was actually providing wheelchairs to the infirm. LOL...the proof of our actions is a matter of record. We don't even have to believe the unproven stuff, like Air America.

No sweeping generalizations are not ok. If you think you represent the voice of all mezzo-american people youre completely deluded from some clung to ignorance, of an extremist nature.

The American politicians in cooperation with the Mexican politicians have worked out some deal through trade, we above the border live in an excess due to corporate commercialism selling an ideal image.

Idealistic advertising does much damage, to the sociological system, and booms the economic system. There's no balance here, so there's trade to help balance.

Is it fair and balanced to countries holding borders from long ago fought battles to draw lines of separation? No.

As industry around the world grows so does it's infrastructure and the quality of it's citizens behind those lines.

North of Mexico, our infrastructure is crumbling because profit reigns supreme as that's the capitalist way. But without a healthy social structure based on ethics? Everything collapses. Well the upper escellon doesn't seem to care because any billionaire or multimillionaire is welcomed with open arms as a citizen...

While the general populous has less movement from responsibility carrying that classes agendas... while the lower classes have virtually no mobility whatsoever from a system designed to ignore them and regard them as a nuisance and think them less than human for a situation no one had control over at birth.

The US and the rest of the world need to move to social reform by reforming the capitalist ideology crushing everyone under it... If there is no industry? Is it any wonder that industry flocks there? If the masses are so dooped to commercialism... they are happy to sit and watch the world die, or take up arms at anything the propaganda finger points at as the issue.

When it is the very thing that is the issue? It's population rises against it... we've not been listened to North of the Mexican border in the name of instilling a new world order for quite some time. This is why there is so much civil unrest.

Those full speed ahead on this agendas motives have to be questioned... Mexico? You are the next USA the borders etc? It's a fence to buy time for those that sold us and you out so they can secure investments.

The larger bigger wall crap? Buying more time for investments and keeping social policy on indefinite hold...

Last go around? The gop wanted a corporate raider, not charismatic enough so now we have another one as a trump card to puppet that agenda by rallying to the lowest common denominator to do it.

Extremist is as extremist does.

originally posted by: onequestion
I know this is hard to comprehend for a lot of people but a lot of Mexicans(not all) really don't like America or Americans. They are here for benefits and to either send money back to their relatives, save money and eventually go back to Mexico... Or a other reasons not worth listing.

What's the problem with that? A lot of people all over the world work and give money to their family, or use the money to take care of their family. And a lot of people, upon retiring, move to another country. Doesn't matter what race they are.

Well I live in SoCal in a heavily immigrant population area and I've been able to asses this through many interactions I've had with a lot of them.

Well, I can see your qualified to make the statement you made as you live in SoCal which obviously gives you a keen insight into the hearts and minds of millions of people. Did you ever consider the possibility that maybe it's not Americans they don't like, it's you? Because if the way you opened this post is any indicator of the way you open a conversation, I can tell you for certain that I would give off the impression that I didn't like people like you.

Isn't that weird? So many immigrants coming here but hating us and our culture but taking full advantage of its resources.

The only culture America has (and I use the word loosely) is a culture of consumption. You consume and consume and consume for consumption's sake. In that sense, people moving to America and consuming is very much taking part in your culture.

Well don't come to America then. Don't ask us for help either, or expect our protection... (NATO)

I'm pretty sure the world would be a better place if America "helped" a lot less. So far everything you touch has turned to crap.