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originally posted by: Sigismundus
a reply to: the2ofusr1
You wrote QUOTE "I use a standard bible and not a highly redacted one . go figure eh..." UNQUOTE
Then look up in your standard bible the following quotation not by some 2nd hand Gospel writer in the 80s CE ('Luke'/'Acts') but by Paul himself 30 years earlier in the 50s CE...
Galatians chapter 2 : 6-15
" As for those who were held in high esteem—whatever they were makes no difference to me; God does not show favoritism—they added nothing to my Message. ...James, Cephas and John, those so-called Pillars, gave me and Barnabas the right hand of fellowship when they recognized the grace given to me. They agreed that we should go to the Gentiles, and they to the circumcised...When Cephas came to Antioch, I opposed him to his face, because he stood condemned. 12 For before certain men came from James, he used to eat with the Gentiles. But when they arrived, he began to draw back and separate himself from the Gentiles because he was afraid of those who belonged to the circumcision group. 13 The other Jews joined him in his hypocrisy, so that by their hypocrisy even Barnabas was led astray. When I saw that they were not acting in line with the truth of the gospel, I said to Cephas in front of them all, “You are a Jew, yet you live like a Gentile and not like a Jew. How is it, then, that you force Gentiles to follow Jewish customs? We who are Jews by birth and not sinful Gentiles 16 know that a person is not justified by the works of the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ..."
It is clear that there was a clear blow up between the two camps (Pauline faith churches v. Nazorean/James circumcision churches) in this letter written by Paul himself, not some later editor/gospel writer 30 years later.
originally posted by: Metatron365
a reply to: Sigismundus
How dare you. Who do you think you are? You don't get to talk about Paul like that pal he met Jesus did you meet Jesus? He is THE apostle.
originally posted by: Seede
a reply to: Sigismundus
TextPaul taught that the gift of salvation through Grace occurs apart from any behavioral requirement:
Not completely true. Salvation through Grace is forgiveness. Forgiveness hinges upon repenting and repenting hinges upon behavioral requirements.
The Platonistic philosopher Celsus, writing circa 150 to 200 CE, wrote a narrative describing a Jew who discounts the story of the Virgin Birth of Jesus. Scholars have remarked on the parallels (adultery, father's name "Panthera", return from Egypt, magical powers) between Celsus' account and the Talmudic narratives. In Celsus' account, the Jew says:
". . .[Jesus] came from a Jewish village and from a poor country woman who earned her living by spinning. He says that she was driven out by her husband, who was a carpenter by trade, as she was convicted of adultery. Then he says that after she had been driven out by her husband and while she was wandering about in a disgraceful way she secretly gave birth to Jesus. He states that because he [Jesus] was poor he hired himself out as a workman in Egypt, and there tried his hand at certain magical powers on which the Egyptians pride themselves; he returned full of conceit, because of these powers, and on account of them gave himself the title of God . . . the mother of Jesus is described as having been turned out by the carpenter who was betrothed to her, as she had been convicted of adultery and had a child by a certain soldier named Panthera
originally posted by: Utnapisjtim
a reply to: thegimprider
The way I see it «st. Paul's» obsession about abolishing circumcision is explained in how it would guarantee that no future Christians would ever set a foot inside any synagogue ever again, or have any mandate or political influence or theological credibility in anything even remotely Jewish. «St. Paul» was and remains an antichrist and the prototype of the False Prophet. 666 written in Hebrew numerals is תרסו, go figure...