I learned something about Bernie Sanders that changed my mind

originally posted by: the owlbear
a reply to: Teddy916

He was raised Jewish, but doesn't consider himself religious by any means.

What do you mean? You mean communism isn't a religion? Could've fooled me.

a reply to: ketsuko

Need more Sterberks? That sounds Polish.

originally posted by: N3k9Ni



You see, what I've learned about Bernie Sanders is something very personal to me. Something that goes deeper than politics. Deeper than being a Socialist or Democrat or Republican. Sanders and I share something that I was not aware of until recently.

Bernie Sanders is Polish. I'm Polish. He has my full support.

He seems to have Polish blood, and it seems that he would rather talk about being Polish rather than being Jewish.

Again it seems that the Jewish community would prefer to be powerful lobbyists, rather than actively pursue the highest office, that way, somebody else can do their job for them, and being a Jewish President might be a hindrance as they see it.
He is a bit rabid about dealing with 'climate change', and I'm not sure what path that would take, not even sure if he knows himself, especially when there are so many who would rather a moratorium on the whole business.

Polish jokes? I was not joking in my OP, I am dead serious. I don't consider being of Polish heritage to be a joke in any way, shape or form.

a reply to: smurfy

Yes, he does downplay his Jewish heritage and I'm sure a lot of people would have second thoughts about having a Jewish President. From some of the posts here I see that having a Polish heritage is grounds for opening one to ridicule.

a reply to: N3k9Ni

That is in the top list of crappy reasons to vote for a person.

"Well, the dude has similar geographical origins to myself so naturally, he's a shoe in for my vote!"

Utter bloody nonsense. By that token I should have my nose so far up David Cameron's rear access port, that my nostrils turn blue. I can assure you however, that nothing could be further from the truth. The man is an oaf and a cad, and I hope he gets set on fire in a barbecue accident.

Voting for a person should be a matter of whether or not you:

A) Agree with their manifesto
B) Believe they can get its most important elements passed into law
C) Believe that they have the right intentions toward your people, and the moral judgement necessary to ensure that they do no harm as they manifest their intentions into actions.

A candidate could be from another planet, a whole other star system, and still fill those requirements.

a reply to: N3k9Ni

Sanders has been promoting the implementation of a single-payer health care system. As President, he would toss Obamacare and replace it with a "Medicare for all" system that he says would cost $1.38 trillion per year but save people and businesses more than $6 trillion over the next decade.

^^ This right here^^
Whenever someone starts talking about TRILLIONS of dollars, I really wonder.

First, we are told that the costs will amount to $1.38 trillion per year.
Then we are told that it will save 'people and businesses $6 trillion over the next decade'.
So, The government will be spending $13.8 trillion dollars in that decade.... and people and businesses will save $6 trillion in that same decade.
What about the $7.8 trillion difference?
You realize that the $13.8 trillion comes from the people and businesses?

That all is contingent on the numbers being correct anyway. They are projections... and from my experience, the government tends to estimate spending WAY BELOW the actual costs, and they overestimate savings.

Anyway, what savings is there REALLY?
The government collects our money, adds a layer of bureaucracy and lets us have a service in return.... with their rules and NO competition.
How could anything go wrong with this plan???

a reply to: butcherguy
I will believe in those numbers when the CBO scores it. Remember Obama Care ? And how little it would cost the country , if not save ? Obama's word. Unfortunately people failed to pay attention to the CBOs scoring....

a reply to: N3k9Ni

It seems disingenuous to lecture about light-hearted humor when you are basing your vote on something as superficial as ethnic heritage.

I can see how one would be proud though. But, as a word of caution, there are legions of African-American's with voter's remorse after 8 years of Obama.

a reply to: TrueBrit



What else would be in that list of crappy reasons?

Republican?
Democrat?
Socialist?
Not Socialist?
Male?
Female?
Black?
White?

There's a long list of crappy reasons to vote for a candidate.

I don't really agree with any of the candidates and there are a lot of proposals I would not want to see passed into law. Good intentions and moral judgment are rather subjective and would depend a lot on each person to decide whether a candidate's intentions are good or moral.

To sum up, I don't care what you feel my criteria should be for making a decision.

a reply to: N3k9Ni

What else would be in that list of crappy reasons?
Republican?
Democrat?
Socialist?
Not Socialist?
Male?
Female?
Black?
White?

Yeah, those are all crappy reasons.

originally posted by: butcherguy
a reply to: N3k9Ni

Sanders has been promoting the implementation of a single-payer health care system. As President, he would toss Obamacare and replace it with a "Medicare for all" system that he says would cost $1.38 trillion per year but save people and businesses more than $6 trillion over the next decade.

^^ This right here^^
Whenever someone starts talking about TRILLIONS of dollars, I really wonder.

First, we are told that the costs will amount to $1.38 trillion per year.
Then we are told that it will save 'people and businesses $6 trillion over the next decade'.
So, The government will be spending $13.8 trillion dollars in that decade.... and people and businesses will save $6 trillion in that same decade.
What about the $7.8 trillion difference?
You realize that the $13.8 trillion comes from the people and businesses?

That all is contingent on the numbers being correct anyway. They are projections... and from my experience, the government tends to estimate spending WAY BELOW the actual costs, and they overestimate savings.

Anyway, what savings is there REALLY?
The government collects our money, adds a layer of bureaucracy and lets us have a service in return.... with their rules and NO competition.
How could anything go wrong with this plan???

How much will the ACA cost us over the next decade?

a reply to: amicktd
We won't know until it is over.

How much would healthcare cost a person that didn't have to be forced into a government dictated plan?

a reply to: kosmicjack

So you consider ridiculing an ethnic group to be lighthearted humor.

I'm not encouraging anyone else to vote for Sanders for that reason. I could not find any reason that I would support any of the candidates so I decided on this reason.

Right now it takes a doctor and a whole lot of corporate lobbyists for drug companies to fix someone's leg. a reply to: ketsuko
I don't understand why people are OK with the way healthcare is managed in the USA today.

originally posted by: butcherguy
a reply to: amicktd
We won't know until it is over.

How much would healthcare cost a person that didn't have to be forced into a government dictated plan?

I know someone with 200k in debt because of blood clots in their lungs, so I guess a lot. He was 19 years old, not covered under his parents plan and hadn't quite gotten insurance for himself yet.

I guess there's always another side to the story though. But, to answer the question from what I've read the ACA will cost about 2 trillion over the next decade. The problem is it will still leave 10% of the population without insurance.

a reply to: N3k9Ni

TBF, I don't think an early morning eye-roller that was a mish mash of politics and old school schtick and even needed clarification as an actual attempt at a joke, qualifies as "ridicule". But that's just me.

originally posted by: kosmicjack
a reply to: N3k9Ni

TBF, I don't think an early morning eye-roller that was a mish mash of politics and old school schtick and even needed clarification as an actual attempt at a joke, qualifies as "ridicule".

But that's just me.

I understand. Apology accepted.

a reply to: amicktd

I know someone with 200k in debt because of blood clots in their lungs, so I guess a lot. He was 19 years old, not covered under his parents plan and hadn't quite gotten insurance for himself yet.

Who forced him to go to the hospital?
He chose to go, he can pay however he sees fit.... why didn't he purchase insurance?
If he was taken there against his will, then he can sue someone.

We are getting to the point where making poor life decisions don't have any consequences. What a sad crew of people a society like that will breed.

originally posted by: BrianFlanders

originally posted by: the owlbear
a reply to: Teddy916

He was raised Jewish, but doesn't consider himself religious by any means.

What do you mean? You mean communism isn't a religion? Could've fooled me.

Funny you should mention that. I minored in religious studies. Communism was defined as a quasi-religion. The state takes on the role of religion rather than invisible deities.
Although, it doesn't apply to Bernie. Socialism and Communism are two different ideologies.