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BREAKING NEWS: List of Withheld JFK Assassination Documents.
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Exciting news: WhoWhatWhy has obtained the complete list of 3,603 secret documents on the Kennedy assassination still being held by the US government. (Or, to be precise, what it admits to still holding.)
Now we can at least get a peek at what they have been hiding.
The list was obtained in a Freedom of Information Act request by FOIA specialist Michael Ravnitzky, who alerted us.
The complete list is below.
List of Withheld JFK
Assassination Documents
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a reply to: mike dangerously
There's about 3,600 files on the assassination that have been withheld until next year.CIA and the other intel shops not withstanding We now have a very viable map to go by here.Browse the spread sheet and post what 5 y'all find the most interesting.
1.The files from the HSCA.
2.The William Harvey files.
3.The CIA file on the agency's rep in Dallas.
4.5 Letters from LBJ to Jackie.
5.The David Morales Files.
List of denied docs.
There's about 3,600 files on the assassination that have been withheld until next year.CIA and the other intel shops not withstanding We now have a very viable map to go by here.Browse the spread sheet and post what 5 y'all find the most interesting.
1.The files from the HSCA.
2.The William Harvey files.
3.The CIA file on the agency's rep in Dallas.
4.5 Letters from LBJ to Jackie.
5.The David Morales Files.
List of denied docs.
edit on 032929p://2026 by mike dangerously because: Added a link.
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a reply to: mike dangerously
Not really of much interest until we can actually read the documents.
Sadly, I'm sure a case will be made to not release a large chunk of these documents next year.
Not really of much interest until we can actually read the documents.
Sadly, I'm sure a case will be made to not release a large chunk of these documents next year.
Just scrolling through now and I can say that the documents at the bottom of page 27 and a lot of docs on page 28 look very interesting.
Marked 'Secret' & 'Top secret'... Very cool.
Marked 'Secret' & 'Top secret'... Very cool.
edit on 6-2-2016 by Iamnotadoctor because: (no reason given)
a reply to: Iamnotadoctor
Very good possibility of happening but the fact that we even have a list is a accomplishment just remember 10-15 years ago the government would have even fought the FIOA request for even a partial list.
Very good possibility of happening but the fact that we even have a list is a accomplishment just remember 10-15 years ago the government would have even fought the FIOA request for even a partial list.
originally posted by: Iamnotadoctor
Just scrolling through now and I can say that the documents at the bottom of page 27 and a lot of docs on page 28 look very interesting.
Marked 'Secret' & 'Top secret'... Very cool.
Yeah,just saw them a little while ago.There's also the mins of a high level meeting about the assassination attempts on Castro.Then various files on the Anti-Castro Cubans.
a reply to: mike dangerously
Our government shouldn't have been withholding any of this information from the public in the first place! If they weren't hiding anything, why would there be a need to hold information related to the assassination? The only reason I can see why they would be holding information this long, is to make sure all those who were involved in the assassination are no longer living, how convenient.
I recall they extended holding this information another 20 years at one point. We really don't live in a country for and by the people. What a farce, and we take this crap lying down!
Our government shouldn't have been withholding any of this information from the public in the first place! If they weren't hiding anything, why would there be a need to hold information related to the assassination? The only reason I can see why they would be holding information this long, is to make sure all those who were involved in the assassination are no longer living, how convenient.
I recall they extended holding this information another 20 years at one point. We really don't live in a country for and by the people. What a farce, and we take this crap lying down!
a reply to: mike dangerously
There is no possibility what so ever, that a legitimate reason can be given today, to keep the files on the assassination of JFK a secret. There is no national security issue pertaining to that period, which can even remotely have any relevance, either to current intelligence operations, or to the foreign affairs policy of the United States of America in this day and age.
How can I say this for certain? I can say this with certainty, because the factors which played into world politics in that period have changed beyond all recognition since that time, as have the technological and tactical approaches used by the intelligence agencies and military organisations whose members would be those most readily put in harms way by a national security breach relating to current methodologies and tactics.
None of the people who would have been instrumental in activities at the time of JFKs death are going to be players in the field these days, because even the youngest of operatives at that time, would be beyond active service age now, and therefore incapable of performing an intelligence role involving them in any dangerous pursuit or posting. The rest will be dead, either as a result of their day jobs, or natural causes. The only exceptions to that, would be personages who have climbed the ranks of government, and found themselves in the actual political sphere, or in positions of power but not active service, in the intelligence field. With the greatest possible respect to them, the events of that period are simply not capable of causing persons in such vaunted position, anything but a loss of face or power, and those things are not worth keeping a secret in spite of a genuine national interest, to protect.
And there is another aspect to this. If the data pertaining to the death of JFK is so inflammatory, that despite the gulf of decades between the event and now, the ramifications of the release of data would represent an upheaval for the nation, then the data in those files must be released, at once. The reason I say this, is that the only ramifications that are possible with documents and information so old as these, is that the people become so outraged at the contents or the implications, that they themselves rise up and protest matters. That is not a national security threat, indeed, it is a national security improvement. A nations security is NOT a simple matter of making sure that terrorists cannot blow up nuclear power stations, or preventing foreign agents from usurping critical infrastructure, businesses, and the like, or protecting current military and intelligence assets from discovery or espionage. Nor is it as simple as preventing another JFK moment. A nation which is lied to in such a way as to outrage them, despite the years between the lie and the revelation, for reasons which make the people rise up in horror and fury and take to the streets, is not secure by definition.
If there is data in those files which might cause upheaval, it will be because things were done by representatives of the people of the nation, which dishonour those people, and the very principles upon which the nation was founded. If that data pertains to the behaviour of any currently serving political entity, intelligence chief or military personage, and if it is that specific information which is linked to some terrible misdeed, then the people have a right to know, the people have a right to know that there was a problem and they have a right to investigate for themselves whether those individuals from back in the day, who may have proven thier honour to be for sale or otherwise in question, and retain power now, are fit to hold the positions they do.
If the data shows that operations were carried out which should not have been, and the information also somehow does have implications for the way things are being done now, and who is doing them, the people also have a right to know that, and a right to decide what may, and what may not be done in their name. This set of documents should be open access already, free of redactions, exceptions, without files going missing, without clerical errors delaying their release and so on and so forth. After the decades and decades between then and now, the only national security concern that could possibly arise from the release of these documents, comes not from a reaction by foreign parties, but from the people, and the people are the law, the final word. If they might have their ire stoked by whatever is in those files, it is not for any intelligence agency to hold them back.
Withholding inflammatory material from the people at all is wrong, because it prevents them from being aware enough to make effective choices about how they want their nation governed and protected, something they have an absolute right to do, and do from an informed position. If they are lied to, manipulated, and have the most important matters hidden from them, they cannot make effective changes to their government, cannot make effective changes to its operation, and that my friends is not freedom. That is tyranny. Freedom requires freedom of information, and with information this old, there can no longer be a reasonable excuse for continuing to shroud the incident in so much shadow.
There is no possibility what so ever, that a legitimate reason can be given today, to keep the files on the assassination of JFK a secret. There is no national security issue pertaining to that period, which can even remotely have any relevance, either to current intelligence operations, or to the foreign affairs policy of the United States of America in this day and age.
How can I say this for certain? I can say this with certainty, because the factors which played into world politics in that period have changed beyond all recognition since that time, as have the technological and tactical approaches used by the intelligence agencies and military organisations whose members would be those most readily put in harms way by a national security breach relating to current methodologies and tactics.
None of the people who would have been instrumental in activities at the time of JFKs death are going to be players in the field these days, because even the youngest of operatives at that time, would be beyond active service age now, and therefore incapable of performing an intelligence role involving them in any dangerous pursuit or posting. The rest will be dead, either as a result of their day jobs, or natural causes. The only exceptions to that, would be personages who have climbed the ranks of government, and found themselves in the actual political sphere, or in positions of power but not active service, in the intelligence field. With the greatest possible respect to them, the events of that period are simply not capable of causing persons in such vaunted position, anything but a loss of face or power, and those things are not worth keeping a secret in spite of a genuine national interest, to protect.
And there is another aspect to this. If the data pertaining to the death of JFK is so inflammatory, that despite the gulf of decades between the event and now, the ramifications of the release of data would represent an upheaval for the nation, then the data in those files must be released, at once. The reason I say this, is that the only ramifications that are possible with documents and information so old as these, is that the people become so outraged at the contents or the implications, that they themselves rise up and protest matters. That is not a national security threat, indeed, it is a national security improvement. A nations security is NOT a simple matter of making sure that terrorists cannot blow up nuclear power stations, or preventing foreign agents from usurping critical infrastructure, businesses, and the like, or protecting current military and intelligence assets from discovery or espionage. Nor is it as simple as preventing another JFK moment. A nation which is lied to in such a way as to outrage them, despite the years between the lie and the revelation, for reasons which make the people rise up in horror and fury and take to the streets, is not secure by definition.
If there is data in those files which might cause upheaval, it will be because things were done by representatives of the people of the nation, which dishonour those people, and the very principles upon which the nation was founded. If that data pertains to the behaviour of any currently serving political entity, intelligence chief or military personage, and if it is that specific information which is linked to some terrible misdeed, then the people have a right to know, the people have a right to know that there was a problem and they have a right to investigate for themselves whether those individuals from back in the day, who may have proven thier honour to be for sale or otherwise in question, and retain power now, are fit to hold the positions they do.
If the data shows that operations were carried out which should not have been, and the information also somehow does have implications for the way things are being done now, and who is doing them, the people also have a right to know that, and a right to decide what may, and what may not be done in their name. This set of documents should be open access already, free of redactions, exceptions, without files going missing, without clerical errors delaying their release and so on and so forth. After the decades and decades between then and now, the only national security concern that could possibly arise from the release of these documents, comes not from a reaction by foreign parties, but from the people, and the people are the law, the final word. If they might have their ire stoked by whatever is in those files, it is not for any intelligence agency to hold them back.
Withholding inflammatory material from the people at all is wrong, because it prevents them from being aware enough to make effective choices about how they want their nation governed and protected, something they have an absolute right to do, and do from an informed position. If they are lied to, manipulated, and have the most important matters hidden from them, they cannot make effective changes to their government, cannot make effective changes to its operation, and that my friends is not freedom. That is tyranny. Freedom requires freedom of information, and with information this old, there can no longer be a reasonable excuse for continuing to shroud the incident in so much shadow.
edit on 6-2-2016 by TrueBrit because:
Grammatical error removed.
originally posted by: 5StarOracle
a reply to: TrueBrit
Bush is still around he don't want it ever coming out...
The truth that is...
Bush's whereabouts on that fateful day will always be a mystery.
Very strange indeed.
a reply to: 5StarOracle
Well, that rather falls under the section of my post in which I deal with the subject of personages who may have gained significant power for themselves since that period, and how little their desire for their pasts to remain past, matter in the face of national interest. These individuals are nothing. The will of the people and their right to decide matters from a position of information, as opposed to one of enforced ignorance, is paramount. All other considerations must be secondary in a free society.
Well, that rather falls under the section of my post in which I deal with the subject of personages who may have gained significant power for themselves since that period, and how little their desire for their pasts to remain past, matter in the face of national interest. These individuals are nothing. The will of the people and their right to decide matters from a position of information, as opposed to one of enforced ignorance, is paramount. All other considerations must be secondary in a free society.
a reply to: Iamnotadoctor
Oh you never know...
maybe one day someone will talk about how he went in a culvert and fired the fatal shot from beneath a sidewalk through the rather large drainage system...
Then escaped from behind the fence at the famous grassy knoll...
You just never know...
Oh you never know...
maybe one day someone will talk about how he went in a culvert and fired the fatal shot from beneath a sidewalk through the rather large drainage system...
Then escaped from behind the fence at the famous grassy knoll...
You just never know...
edit on 6-2-2016 by 5StarOracle because: ...
a reply to: 5StarOracle
And no doubt you are right about the identity of at least one individual who would rather his past remained in the past!
There are probably more though, and until the information is made known, all we have to root them out is rumour, suspicion and an understandable dose of paranoia. From my perspective as a British citizen, I am largely curious more than anything else, although I also believe that learning how lies are spun in one location can be instructive as to how they are put together in another, and therefore what has bearing on the US, in that way has some bearing on my nation too, since they have been sharing tactics and intelligence for generations now.
And no doubt you are right about the identity of at least one individual who would rather his past remained in the past!
There are probably more though, and until the information is made known, all we have to root them out is rumour, suspicion and an understandable dose of paranoia. From my perspective as a British citizen, I am largely curious more than anything else, although I also believe that learning how lies are spun in one location can be instructive as to how they are put together in another, and therefore what has bearing on the US, in that way has some bearing on my nation too, since they have been sharing tactics and intelligence for generations now.
Looking through the document titles a few things struck me:
Martin Luther King is all over the place. There is also mention of Communist infiltration of the christian group he founded..
The investigations seemed to fixate on USSR and east bloc reaction to Kennedy's death.
Cuba is mentioned countless times.
The AFL-CIO is mentioned as well..
Martin Luther King is all over the place. There is also mention of Communist infiltration of the christian group he founded..
The investigations seemed to fixate on USSR and east bloc reaction to Kennedy's death.
Cuba is mentioned countless times.
The AFL-CIO is mentioned as well..
It seems there are actually 9,718 documents, not just the 3,603 referenced in the article. Surprise, surprise. (not really).
Down in the comments section one poster makes an interesting point; that a government or entity powerful enough to assassinate the president is easily powerful enough to ensure no documented proof of the same goes un-destroyed. And I suspect they are correct, which begs the question of what really are all these documents and why have they been kept so secret all this time(?)
If I were to hazard a guess to the above question it would be something along the lines of the following:
1. NONE of the documents really contain any earth shattering new information about the JFK assassination, and certainly do not contain clear proof of "who-dun-it".
2. The documents have likely been withheld because they DO illustrate the inner workings of the US Government, how little power the president actually has, and who really controls what goes on.
3. The documents DO illustrate how much power and influence non-elected persons really have.
4. The documents DO illustrate how much information is collected on/about average citizens and what kinds of records are maintained on people.
5. The documents DO contain interviews with individuals and firms no one ever even dreamt of somehow being even remotely connected to the event (see points 2 and 3 above). These files would prompt an absolute avalanche of questions no one ever even thought to ask previously.
6. The documents DO expose relationships where they should not exist, or are characterized much differently in the light of the public eye.
7. The documents DO illustrate agreements with people / firms which are by all accounts illegal.
What I find rather interesting in this list is not the 'top secret' documents which have been withheld, but rather the sheer quantity of 'unclassified' documents which are being withheld. I can think of no legal / credible reason why an 'unclassified' document of the US government should be able to withstand a FOIA request. This to me smacks of government abuse at it's most primal level. It should not be legal to withhold these documents.
No, I don't believe any of these documents will contain the 'smoking gun' in the JFK assassination, but I do believe they (collectively) will illustrate something far more sinister. I believe they will illustrate something I have felt for a long time; that JFK was the last freely elected president of the US and that all elections since then have been heavily influenced (if not outright rigged) in some way. Ronald Reagan might be the possible exception, but he was allowed to continue because he was playing nice in the establishment sandbox (and even he had an attempt on his life). I'm not a fan of JFK as a president (not at all actually), but I believe the documents will show the true lines of power in an well established shadow government which had assumed full control of this nation by 1963. I believe they will clearly show politicians asking their true masters for permission to investigate virtually all aspects of the assassination.
Remember, just 2 presidents and 16 short years elapsed between JFK and 1945. What's the significance of this? Well, by 1953 the US government and the world had learned that conventional warfare was no longer possible (i.e. the Korean War) and the balance of power was held by atomic weapons. Truman was out by 1953, and they had a military man in Ike for two terms while they figured out how the world was going to be run from then on. When Kennedy was elected he didn't fit the mold at all, so he had to go. From then on it's been purely academic.
Lastly, I believe these documents will never see the light of day until the 'grand plan' is complete, and the proles have absolutely no hope of doing anything about them then.
Down in the comments section one poster makes an interesting point; that a government or entity powerful enough to assassinate the president is easily powerful enough to ensure no documented proof of the same goes un-destroyed. And I suspect they are correct, which begs the question of what really are all these documents and why have they been kept so secret all this time(?)
If I were to hazard a guess to the above question it would be something along the lines of the following:
1. NONE of the documents really contain any earth shattering new information about the JFK assassination, and certainly do not contain clear proof of "who-dun-it".
2. The documents have likely been withheld because they DO illustrate the inner workings of the US Government, how little power the president actually has, and who really controls what goes on.
3. The documents DO illustrate how much power and influence non-elected persons really have.
4. The documents DO illustrate how much information is collected on/about average citizens and what kinds of records are maintained on people.
5. The documents DO contain interviews with individuals and firms no one ever even dreamt of somehow being even remotely connected to the event (see points 2 and 3 above). These files would prompt an absolute avalanche of questions no one ever even thought to ask previously.
6. The documents DO expose relationships where they should not exist, or are characterized much differently in the light of the public eye.
7. The documents DO illustrate agreements with people / firms which are by all accounts illegal.
What I find rather interesting in this list is not the 'top secret' documents which have been withheld, but rather the sheer quantity of 'unclassified' documents which are being withheld. I can think of no legal / credible reason why an 'unclassified' document of the US government should be able to withstand a FOIA request. This to me smacks of government abuse at it's most primal level. It should not be legal to withhold these documents.
No, I don't believe any of these documents will contain the 'smoking gun' in the JFK assassination, but I do believe they (collectively) will illustrate something far more sinister. I believe they will illustrate something I have felt for a long time; that JFK was the last freely elected president of the US and that all elections since then have been heavily influenced (if not outright rigged) in some way. Ronald Reagan might be the possible exception, but he was allowed to continue because he was playing nice in the establishment sandbox (and even he had an attempt on his life). I'm not a fan of JFK as a president (not at all actually), but I believe the documents will show the true lines of power in an well established shadow government which had assumed full control of this nation by 1963. I believe they will clearly show politicians asking their true masters for permission to investigate virtually all aspects of the assassination.
Remember, just 2 presidents and 16 short years elapsed between JFK and 1945. What's the significance of this? Well, by 1953 the US government and the world had learned that conventional warfare was no longer possible (i.e. the Korean War) and the balance of power was held by atomic weapons. Truman was out by 1953, and they had a military man in Ike for two terms while they figured out how the world was going to be run from then on. When Kennedy was elected he didn't fit the mold at all, so he had to go. From then on it's been purely academic.
Lastly, I believe these documents will never see the light of day until the 'grand plan' is complete, and the proles have absolutely no hope of doing anything about them then.
a reply to: clay2 baraka
Well sure, this all makes perfect sense. All of the things you list represented serious threats either to Kennedy personally or the US president in general.
- MLK led a huge civil rights movement (which at the time some considered an 'uprising').
- The US was obsessed with Russia and at the height of the Cold War so they were an obvious threat.
- The US had just concluded the Bay of Pigs fiasco and the Cuban Missile Crisis so Castro had to be on the suspect list.
- The AFL-CIO was on JFK's (and certainly RFK's) hit list...which put JFK on their hit list.
No surprises there.
Well sure, this all makes perfect sense. All of the things you list represented serious threats either to Kennedy personally or the US president in general.
- MLK led a huge civil rights movement (which at the time some considered an 'uprising').
- The US was obsessed with Russia and at the height of the Cold War so they were an obvious threat.
- The US had just concluded the Bay of Pigs fiasco and the Cuban Missile Crisis so Castro had to be on the suspect list.
- The AFL-CIO was on JFK's (and certainly RFK's) hit list...which put JFK on their hit list.
No surprises there.
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