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Can anyone give me a real reason Bernie is bad for America?

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posted on Feb, 2 2016 @ 07:00 AM
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a reply to: BatheInTheFountain

See, and that's where reading comprehension comes into play. I didn't say I thought he had "all the right ideas" . I was addressing a specific group of naysayer. At any rate the core of my point, I suppose, would be that I would rather someone who would attempt to tackle banking corruption, corporate control of govt, healthcare crisis, and possibly fail, rather than someone who would attempt to wage war, pay off my tax dollars to their super pacs, and pad their companies with no bid contracts, etc, and succeed. See how that works?

And who am I in debt to? Well, the very people I was blaming. About 90% of my salary pays my mortgage, car, ins, food, entertainment, largely to big companies (thankfully the producers, ie workers, get at least a tiny fraction of that), and then the lions share of my taxes (like 80%?) Go to subsidize those giant businesses that I already pay so much of my income to. Who are YOU in debt to? Joe the plumber? Welfare Annie? I doubt it.




posted on Feb, 2 2016 @ 07:03 AM
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Forgot to add, bathe, there's nary a damn piece of legislation that gets made that isn't written by some corporation. You think Obama wrote the aca? You think tauzin wrote the Medicare expansion act? And I suppose congress came up with the bailout because of overwhelming citizen demand?



posted on Feb, 2 2016 @ 07:08 AM
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a reply to: BatheInTheFountain

It speaks to the shallow or nonexistent understanding of economics and ignorance of his platform in general.

They hear 'military restraint' and then put their fingers in their ears for everything else he says.



posted on Feb, 2 2016 @ 07:12 AM
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We need some balance back. Not going to vote democratic this year.

People in the middle and upper middle classes have had enough.

We are tired of the rich and the poor taking all the goodies while we do the actual work. Socialism equals lazy people. Since the recession, certain people are still on welfare, getting free student lunches, food stamps, Medicare, free cell phones, free braces for their kids, free health care. These people are not even required to pick up roadside trash, or be on Norodom birth control. The rich always had the nice tax breaks. Mean while those who work hard do with out going to the doctors when they need to, scrape to pay for college, house repairs, vacations, braces, cell phones, etc... We buy used products all the time, and we pay a lot out in taxes. We sell off our old clothes and products on Craig's list.We are sick of it all. When Hillary or Bernie start talking socialistic ideas it makes me feel angry. We need jobs for people, China is ripping us off, the Mexicans are not paying taxes. They are shipping our money back to Mexico. Buy American products folks. Buy American Steel.

Also as always I want to see more recycling, reusing, and reducing of trash waste. Less war and more green energy ideas.
Ship those Muslims back to the Middle East and do not allow them in. Who cares? Our problems with them would be over.
Mexico needs to provide jobs for their own people. Safe tourism would be a good start. China needs to make higher quality products and sell to themselves. If we get off fossil fuels we can stay away from the Middle East. Egypt was the only thing worth seeing over there anyways. We need to focus on ourselves.



posted on Feb, 2 2016 @ 07:24 AM
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Who told y'all there are rules to economics and government? What naive folks. Probably told that by economists and officials.

Econ and government are about as scientifically based as psychology. 50000 theories, some of them work, some don't, tons of variables, and mostly arranged the way they are so someone can exploit you of your hard earned money.

Our economy currently works on a cannibalization format. Investors buy businesses and then extract as much as possible until it bursts. This is what happened to housing in the 08 collapse as well. This is what all the privatizing of services and banks is also, and also includes all our corporations pushing our salaries and benefits down now as well.

You are delusional if you think that almost everything done in our current government is not to benefit big business, all at great detriment to all others. At any rate, I pointed out several examples of what I thought were important, and you jump to conclude I'm a peacenik and only hear "no more war"?? You guys should learn to actually listen, rather than just jumping on one point (out of many) to dissect and attack like some grade schooler.

It is exactly the " economic and government rules" that the current and longstanding establishment supports that has brought us to this precipice that you dramatize so well. Why would I support Paul or Sanders? Because they are both an ACTUAL departure from that system, and were not bought, and have integrity and consistency.
edit on 2-2-2016 by pexx421 because: For old people with slow, freezing brains



posted on Feb, 2 2016 @ 07:30 AM
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Except Sanders represents a total government takeover of the system which creates a monopoly.

Monpolies are bad. History has taught us this.



posted on Feb, 2 2016 @ 07:33 AM
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Maybe I'm getting "old" but it's hard for me to respond to posts which are BLOCKS of run on text, with no punctuation or SPACING, asking or proposing MULTIPLE ideas in one shot.

Definitely something I notice as I get older. My brain just freezes.
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posted on Feb, 2 2016 @ 07:42 AM
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a reply to: ketsuko

Exactly how has he proposed this? I just don't see it. Not to mention that government just continues to grow under both dems and repubs, so no party can really claim to be the "for small government" party.



posted on Feb, 2 2016 @ 07:44 AM
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a reply to: BatheInTheFountain

Sorry, but I happen to be typing on my phone, which is a bit of a pain in the a. I did go through all that trouble though!



posted on Feb, 2 2016 @ 07:46 AM
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a reply to: BatheInTheFountain

There ya go. Dig the edit reason



posted on Feb, 2 2016 @ 08:39 AM
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originally posted by: BatheInTheFountain

originally posted by: deadlyhope
a reply to: Willtell

With the people at his back, he just might. Even if it's a small chance.. What other president is even going to try to go against the status-quo?


Bernie IS status quo.


Posts like that make you lose credibility. Name one thing that makes him "status quo".



posted on Feb, 2 2016 @ 08:58 AM
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a reply to: deadlyhope

I can only speak for myself. The reason I do not like Bernie Sanders- or Hillary Clinton, Bush, Romney, Donald Trump, Obama or any other of the top tier candidates- I prefer freedom and liberty. They are all advocates for a large and powerful government. They believe the government should manage our daily life including healthcare, education, economy, businesses and the list goes on.

It's my personal belief that government cannot manage anything without corrupting it. Even if you believe in the government controlling all these aspects of our lives I don't believe that you can really trust politicians to not be corrupt. It's a lose lose for the average American.



posted on Feb, 2 2016 @ 09:43 AM
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posted on Feb, 2 2016 @ 10:23 AM
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a reply to: greencmp

Yup. Most people are naïve enough to buy into the idea of socialism. It's essentially making everyone equally poor, To increase the wealth of the top-tier.



posted on Feb, 2 2016 @ 10:36 AM
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Those damn socialist road systems across the country are keeping us down.



posted on Feb, 2 2016 @ 10:37 AM
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a reply to: Grimpachi

Case in point.



posted on Feb, 2 2016 @ 11:09 AM
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a reply to: Grimpachi

The roads around where I live are terrible. And do you honestly believe that those construction projects happen on budget and on time?



posted on Feb, 2 2016 @ 11:15 AM
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Silly person... we only get from society a small portion of what we contribute, 'cause the upper classes are better than us and nobody, but the arbitrarily elite, deserves a life they'd enjoy living, or even the bare means to live at all.

Silly, silly, silly person.

*deep, dark, sarcasm from the wee bit of the human experience that dares think we can actually make a better world where everyone would have the necessities and some time to pursue their own happiness... while the rest of the time would be spent ensuring others were happy, too... silly notion from the rainbows and puppy realm.
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posted on Feb, 2 2016 @ 11:30 AM
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originally posted by: TheSorrow
a reply to: Grimpachi

The roads around where I live are terrible. And do you honestly believe that those construction projects happen on budget and on time?


I am all for privately owned toll roads with zero regulation what could go wrong. I am sure that system would be so much better for your wallet.



posted on Feb, 2 2016 @ 11:33 AM
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a reply to: TheSorrow

I prefer freedom and liberty as well - But let's be realistic. That's not happening anytime soon, not without a literal revolution of the people overthrowing the entire government. And not without a completely changed society - We have existed in a contrary way to a libertarian/anarchist state far too long to come even close to going that way again.

So, for now... Steps like.. Taking the banks down a notch.
Sticking it to the billionaires that have been sticking it to us...
Getting money out of politics...

Are 3 great steps towards the end you and I both want.

Or, you can just say you hate everyone, and let Hilary get into the white house, and start shredding the constitution where Obama left off.




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