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originally posted by: smitastrophe
I really do support all of Bernie's ideas. It would be freaking awesome if everybody had free healthcare, free education and free housing, especially if it was all quality. But nothing in this life is free, and when it usually is it is crappy (think those hand out bobbles you get at conferences or tech shows, branded pens, USB flash drives etc). His tax proposal is scary, but what is even scarier are peoples brazen support of him and his plans.
Tax Foundation Report
The full report here:
I just don't see how any of his solutions are going to solve any of our problems? These are very antiquated economic policies that we KNOW stifle growth and prosperity, contracting the economy which is already in a weakened state. In nearly EVERY instance where they have been enacted in the past this has proven to be the outcome. In most cases, disaster. Why do we want to enact those policies here? This isn't some new-age train of thought, nobody is blazing any trails, this form of government doesn't work and isn't good for the average citizen.
What amazes me most, is that MOST people who support Bernie Sanders, feel the exact same way that MOST right wing conservatives do. They are pissed off with the way things are and have had enough, it seems like we all feel the same way. I think that is why we are seeing so much support for candidates like Sanders and Trump, they represent the political "outside". It's honestly fascinating to me, all I know is that it will be one hell of an election year.
originally posted by: deadlyhope
a reply to: xuenchen
Reality... as in???
His policies, ideas and such are used across the world.
Him getting in as president? He is gaining popularity all the time...
originally posted by: reldra
originally posted by: avgguy
Reasons why Bernie is bad for America
1.) he wants to raise minimum wage to unsustainable levels.
2.) he wants to expand the welfare state.
3.) he wants to increase govt spending.
4.) he wants to raise taxes, drastically.
5.) he wants to make healthcare universal.
6.) he's a union whore
7.) he's for an assault weapon ban and a ban of semi auto rifles.
-I don;t think $15/r is unsustainable. Some cities have done it and then people have more money to spend, or at least pay their bills. If an employer can't pay enough for people to pay their reasonable bille, they have no business being in business.
-I don;t see the tax raise on the low and middle class, I saw an unknown website cite it.
-We once had an assault weapons ban. Many countries do. It would be reinstating it. I think that happened under a republican president.
-what exactly is a union whore? That he supports unions? that is a good thing.
Job creators provide me with a means to support my family and I trade my skills and time for money. I use that money to buy things for my family. When I buy things, other people make money and they, in turn, support their families.
originally posted by: pexx421
a reply to: BatheInTheFountain
Interesting. So our nation is trillions in debt. In the same time period the >1% have massively increased their share of the wealth (strangely also trillions, just like the ones that our budget is missing)......and you are not sure who is to blame? I'd say if we had a worldwide cookie shortage, and one tiny group of hooligans happened to be sitting mysteriously on mountains of cookies all of a sudden, you could figure out what happened to all the damned cookies, rather than blaming those without cookies, scrambling for a crumb.
originally posted by: pexx421
I supported Paul and now I support Sanders. It's not about any ism, as they were ideologically very different. It's all about a simple thing..... Who our taxes are going to benefit. The massively wealthy minority (we have seen how this works out for many decades now) or the majority of the populace ( this would be a nice change).
In response to those who think he has good ideas but wouldn't get them through......I'd rather see someone try and fail to do the right things, rather than someone who could succeed at doing the wrong things. Which do you think would be more detrimental?