White Militias must unite with the BLM type groups

Or they’ll be no revolution.


Black people will be the vanguard of any revolution and the militias need to understand that.


They complain about the FBI and feds gunning them down

Where have they been for the last 100 years or just the last year when black people have been gunned down so many times you can’t count and you NEVER see these militias getting down with the brothers to start a REAL REVOLUTION?

IF these type groups would unite the PTB would tremble in their boots because it might herald a legitimate revolution.


Indeed these militias if they were really in the mainstream revolution they would have thousands of people protesting but theirs only a few.

So if they want a revolution join the party of the oppressed.


Otherwise stop talking crap, because that’s all it is.

a reply to: Willtell

I think you have a better chance of seeing Jesus and the Baby Jesus coming down to earth and handing you the winning Powerball numbers.

a reply to: Willtell

You really should stop taking these people and their grievances so seriously. Most don't know what they are talking about, and many aren't as thoroughly read on the Constitution as they think they are.

a reply to: Willtell

So are you playing agent provocateur?

What ever your thoughts are on militia's are based upon ignorance. I already received and email today in my state from a militia telling everyone to stand down!

Sounds like they have more sense than you do?

While there is some commonality between the groups, they are really at opposite ends of the political spectrum. Most BLM types tend to favor socialism, government intervention, etc while militias tend to be for less government. The socialism/communism thread runs deep in the pro-black movement. I'd see that at odds with militia types.

We haven't even gotten into the under current of racists that also like to hang out with militias.

Two or more real ones is better than one bureaucratized, distracted and second guessing glob.

Together by parallel direction is better than together by constant attention on unity.

a reply to: Willtell

Exactly! They've had countless opportunities (OWS was another recent example) where they could have proven themselves as not being total hypocrites.

It's like Oathkeepers who, on the outside, sound super honorable and inclusive, promising to protect people from an unlawful police state and other stuff... only to stay completely silent if the victims of government are not aligned with their own political culture (like liberals).

I think the only thing that would work in citizens having an actual effect is if these militia types got over themselves and dispensed their support, regardless of politics or skin color.

a reply to: Willtell

I am always hearing about revolution and it is less than helpful.

For one thing, we have a political system that still possesses its primary feature, the ability to conduct bloodless revolutions through elections. We don't want or need revolution, we want to enforce the restrictions placed on our government by our constitution.

Our problem isn't an unwillingness to revolt, it is an unwillingness to learn from our mistakes. Why throw away a perfectly adequate constitutional republic simply because we failed to live up to the responsibilities it requires of us?

That's my take on the loose talk about revolution, it is unseemly and reveals a deep misunderstanding about what makes America "exceptional".

a reply to: greencmp

I agree 100% with everything you said. I really tire of these talks of recession and secession. That is the immature and childish way to go about things. Unhappy? Take your ball and go home, ruining it for everyone else. No we have a procedure instituted within our government to change things.

Plus the odds of a successful revolution resulting in MORE freedoms for people is almost laughable. That has literally only happened once in the history of the world.

Yet here we Americans are, born of revolution.
The Constitution that it gave us is a weaker thing than it was at its birth.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

Not sure what you mean by recession but, secession is a very real option.

I'm not talking about the state constitutions that specifically allow for it either. Secession is the only peaceful solution other than constitutional legal redress.

The argument against secession essentially posits the familiar gangster credo of "join for life" only it isn't just you but your entire family and all of their offspring. Does that sound like a defensible contract to you?

Would a potential state accept the fine print of "and you may never reconsider your association"?

Sorry that I am immediately picking an argument, I just had to respond to that aspect of your comment.

originally posted by: greencmp
a reply to: Krazysh0t

Not sure what you mean by recession but, secession is a very real option.

Sorry that was a typo. I meant to type revolution, but was thinking secession in my head at the time so they ended up combined into recession lol.

I'm not talking about the state constitutions that specifically allow for it either. Secession is the only peaceful solution short of constitutional legal redress.

The argument against secession essentially posits the familiar gangster credo of "join for life" only it isn't just you but your entire family and all of their offspring. Does that sound like a defensible contract to you?

Would a potential state accept the fine print of "and you may never reconsider your association"?

Well states are political bodies, so I'd say that trying to apply logic to how people are treated shouldn't necessarily hold up towards states. To me, secession is just a way of crying and going home. It does nothing to fix your grievances, but hammers home your inability to be flexible to things you don't like along with compromise.

Attack is for time of surplus -- Sun Tzu

Genuine revolution is a change in the way everyone lives their lives. Winning a war is bonus points and is only possible after everyone has remade their view of the world, which tends to make war the last resort.

a reply to: Willtell

You know, I've seen some really misguided and dare I say.....stupid OP's on ATS, but this one takes the cake. First off, the only revolution Black people will win is at the Oscars by way of cancelling them. Second, the BLM types loathe and despise white people in general and the White Militas in particular. Third, the White militias won't win anything because as far as the US government is concerned, its open season on the "White Militias". And finally, I rather doubt the "White" militia members are going to look at the BLM types as their "brothers" in arms; more likely they see them as target practice.

In other words.........while you may be a genious, you've missed the mark on this one......by a mile.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

The nationalist in me hears and agrees but, the constitutionalist advises caution.

The direct taxation of state citizens by the federal government is criminal. To be upset with the states for complaining that their best interests aren't being considered seems unfair. How can the argument be against the states whose populations entirely fund the federal government?

Why is it spoiled to want to go your own way when subjected to out of control central government?

On the other side of the spectrum, let's imagine a state that has very low capital (out or in) and the federal government declines to invest in its infrastructure. Wouldn't they be in the right by declining to continue to associate with that apparatus and pursue their own aspirations unrestrained by their obligations to subsidize other better developed states?

I seriously wonder if theres enough intelligent life on earth left to build a fire....
I sense the majority have been pushed into living some weird psychodrama of social engineers intent on driving the world insane.....
Are we,... after all is said and done ....a bunch of lemmings....
Is that the heights our much vaunted intelligence has achieved....the rush to self destruction.....

a reply to: Willtell

White Militias must unite with the BLM type groups.

I hope and pray they do. They share more than enough grievances that they can find common ground. But any effort to do so will be viciously mocked and attacked and misrepresented and otherwise maligned and undermined to avoid success.

Some have tried/are trying. I know I've read of a few messages from 2nd amendment supporters to the BLM and other groups about the history of denying arms to Blacks... the only one in specific I can think of right now is when the Oathkeepers went to Ferguson though. This is from Newsweek:

Oath Keepers Want to Arm Ferguson Protesters

I really hope and pray this is the first step towards people standing together on common ground -- sacred ground -- and working together for the greatest good of everyone. No more divide-and-conquer.

The Boot on your neck cares nothing about the colour of your skin.....

originally posted by: greencmp
a reply to: Krazysh0t

The nationalist in me hears and agrees but, the constitutionalist advises caution.

The direct taxation of state citizens by the federal government is criminal. To be upset with the states for complaining that their best interests aren't being considered seems unfair. How can the argument be against the states whose populations entirely fund the federal government?

Why is it spoiled to want to go your own way when subjected to out of control central government?

On the other side of the spectrum, let's imagine a state that has very low capital (out or in) and the federal government declines to invest in its infrastructure. Wouldn't they be in the right by declining to continue to associate with that apparatus and pursue their own aspirations unrestrained by their obligations to subsidize other better developed states?

It should be noted that many states complain about government overreach but never seem to mention all the federal aid they receive for various state ran projects.