How do we actually know that the NAZI's didn't win world war 2 ???

No, if they had won, I wouldn't have had to listen to sandal wearing [with socks] lefty teachers telling us at every conceivable opportunity how guilty we all are and how ashamed we should be [even though we were all born 30 years after the war.
If the nazis had won, we wouldn't have been suspended just by fooling around [as kids do] saying 'heil hitler' for example.

They brainwashed us so much, you had basically no choice to make up your own mind. Every year we were shown concentration camp victims. The first time it affected me so much that I had nightmares for weeks. After the 10th time, we were so indifferent that we made jokes about it [not out of insensitivity but because we had seen it too often and it had lost it's impact].

Germans are so guilty nowadays that they invite potential terrorists because of it.

I can say 100% that the nazis didn't win.

a reply to: Hecate666

Nicely written! And so true...
especially the sandal part...

All of you guys are missing the big point. The forensic scanning of the skull thought-to-be Hitler's was indeed, that of a female. And that many of the post WW2 reports, reported Hitler as still being alive in Argentina, escaping Germany via hidden Nazi rat-lines. It wasn't until the late 70's that he died, of old age.

a reply to: Blackhawk0044

You seem to miss the point. Even if Hitler got away to Argentinia, still, the NAZIs lost.

No, the Nazi's definitely lost the war.

However, lots of their ideas were adopted by the allies after the war and with the advancement of technology, along came some of the behaviours demonstrated by the Nazi regime.

I know it is difficult to believe nowadays, but the Nazi's did not win WWII.

originally posted by: Raggedyman
I would put forth the red army marching into Berlin as evidence of the nazi demise
That and the Nuremberg trials
The millions and millions of German dead, the collapse of their government and the USSR

Just as a start

Yeah , and the US taking the other half.I guess it was part of the winning strategy to have their country divided between 2 nations for 30 years.

a reply to: verschickter

Lol, what i had to say goes hand in hand with what the OP had to say. And seeing as most of the tyrannical laws we have nowadays are those same Nazi's law under Americana names... Like the Patriot Act. It was actually my great grandfather who was the head of the Rocket Development Division of the U.S. Army, and worked as werner von braun's boss, you could say. His name was Col. Gervais Trichel, from Louisiana.

originally posted by: redchad
Can we cut the Nazi political correctness. When my grandfather, father and uncle's were fighting in the war be it at sea or in North Africa or at Arnhem they were fighting the jerries, the Bosch in fact the Germans. It was the jerries that bombed the local docks No one talked about the enemy as Nazis even kids toys were German soldiers. Nowadays it's nazi this and nazi that. Sorry folks it was the Germans.

My family too were in the war in all theatres from north europe to north africa to east asia and even at home one brother was walking down the street with another brother, a german bomb scored a direct hit on one of them and the other was blown off his feet but uninjured, it was as if his brother had simply vanished as there was nothing left of him.

The germans of today's generation feel detached and rightly so as it was there grandparant's and great grandparents generation whom bore a great deal of responsibility and indeed it has to be said that they were responsible, I will warrent not 100 percent but certainly they share in the guilt as they voted hitler into power in 1933 on a manifest in which he said what he was going to do, during the night of broken glass the common german's celebrated, the Jew's were simply put out of there business and common germans simply moved in and took over those business which had often taken generation's to build up.

But we have to remember this would never have happened except for what the Germans were forced to Suffer in the 1920's as there country was forced to pay crippling war reperations which had been unfairly imposed on them as the losing side in the first world war even though that was really a game of politics in which the ruling class of the player nation's thought of there own working class as disposable soldiers and peasants born to keep them in there place's of privaledge.

The reperations imposed on Germany which essentially meant they had to pay the war debt of the victorious nation's meant that German familys litterally starved to death, peaple were eating there pet's to survive and boiling shoe leather and belt's with grass at it's worst, this created anger, hatred and resentment in the Germans as it would in any nation and Hitler promised them vengence and justice which is how he came to power but of course he needed a scapegoat and who better than the introspective and secularised community of the Jewish whom kept there money to themselves and had weathered this economic hardship relatively unscathed, indeed MANY among the Jewish community had grown more wealthy by using there wealth to buy up more property in Germany during this period of Economic woe, Hitler hated them with a jealous rage though most German Jew's were utterly and totally innocent and many also lived in and suffered the same abject poverty the rest of the german's did, indeed many of there decorated war veterans in the first world war were patriotic german Jew's but of course Hitler needed someone to point his wagging finger and mouth foaming rabid hatred at in order to whip up a frenzy in the easily led, tired and poverty ground down german public and so they were the easiest target for him (plus he was personally anti semetic in himself and in fact believed most of what he spouted which only makes it all the more tragic and worse).

Both the first and second world wars took there toll on our Nation Britain as they did on France, Belgium, Italy and Especially Russia (Whom mainly withdrew form the first world war in 1917 after the October revolution) but remember also the German's suffered terribly too, the way you feel about them they felt about us as well, but it was not always that way.

Prior to the first world war Germany was one of Britain's closest Allies and had been for hundreds of years before that conflict, indeed we shared more than Alliance and even had blood ties and many familys with relatives in both nation's.

Also a forgotten part of History, in the 1920's and early 1930's there were tension's between the US and the British empire with many Rabidly anti British US senators (Remember we burned the white house down in the early 1800's which they never forgave) wanted to push an aggressive policy to what they saw a threat to there own economic status and also to there own safety, they also saw the British rule of Canada as a defacton occupation of territory which they felt strongly should be part of the united states even though Canada had and has it's own government, indeed the US drew up invasion plan's for an annexation of Canada, the Canadian's drew up plan's for a response if the US invaded and how and were to launch counter attack's and strikes into the US and without either of the two north American nations knowing the British admiraly had drawn up plans to hold the US whom they had realised they could not beat but could only hold at stalemate in the Atlantic meaning that the British were then going to abandon canada if this war had ignited.

Hitler knew about this and actually drew up plans to come into that war if it had happened on the side of the British, indeed he even started the second world war with the firm belief that he could eventually get the British to accept he did not want to invade Britain and wanted us as HIS ally.

Thankfully we did not accept the Nazi overtures and did go to war with him our justification being the liberation of our ally Poland any tradition of alliance with Germany having been washed away in the bloody trenches of the first world war.

History is not what it seem's, the Nazi's had to lose and remember they also murdered hundreds of thousands of germans including the loyal army officers whom were sworn to uphold the german constitution and not just Jew's and other minority's but there own people as they put down any dissent before it could rise up, they also enacted an official policy of euthenasia and any disabled person could be killed on the orders of the doctor, in the long run the red haired germans and those with brown eye's would have been sterilized in order to breed the NAZI idiological VERSION of what they thought a German should look like, but do you know that idiology of superior blonde blue eye'd germanic people was actually a Victorian English invention, have you ever read any English tales from the late 1800's and early 1900's in which all the main hero characters are blonde, blue eyed while the villains are always dark eye's, dark haired and crooked nosed.

Sadly we also invented the concentration camp's, have a look at how we treated the Boar men, woman and Children in south africa during the Boar war it was truly horrendous, we also used the first ariel bombing of civilian tagets, it began in Ireland, a village suspected to be harbouring IRA sympethisers (Before the first world war while they were actually british citizens) had hand grenades dropped on it from pre first world war biplanes and this was then used throughout the empire to teach the Natives a lesson.

No, the Nazi's definitely lost the war.

a reply to: Cobaltic1978

And the terrorist won

They did OP.

The Bush family bankrolled them, and got some of the over here via Operation Paperclip.

We also let Hitler live to an old age in South America and did nothing about it.

Look at all of the freedom that has eroded since 9/11, much like Nazi Germany.

a reply to: Blackhawk0044
You are not wrong with

seeing as most of the tyrannical laws we have nowadays are those same Nazi's law under Americana names... Like the Patriot Act.

But still, no. No the NAZIs did not win. Influenced, yes, won, no.

I don´t know what your grandfather has to do with the topic.. You know, my uncle invented a machine that folds metal into an endless spiral in one step for building air canals and silos. You probably have seen hundreds of objects that were made with his machine. This adds as much to the discussion as your comment on your grandpa.

Germany lost the war and lost extremely badly. You know they lost because............................

The area occupied in Europe by people who speak German is massively smaller than before the war. Germany was shrunk after its defeat further losing its eastern territories. In addition the German communities in all the other states in the East were either murdered or expelled leaving hardly any today. If the Nazis had won then it would be the opposite, but it isn't because Germans lost and Slavs won, hence eastern Europe today being Slav and not German or mixed as before. The Germans were more or less eliminated in that region and at their expense were replaced by the Slavic victors. The Nazis lost and lost badly.

a reply to: lavatrance

Are you familiar with the research of Joseph P Farrell? Im surprised nobody has mentioned him yet.

He goes into much detail about this theory. He also gives speeches in the secret space program conference also to do with this.

originally posted by: lavatrance
So far you're missing the point. I'm mosting hearing all of what I've seen in dozens of war movies. Yes we've been shown and taught all this history but how do we know it's true? Like it's circumstantial in some respect. It could be a massive psy-opp, a massive cover up.

No, son. Nobody is missing the point; you are. You show a blissful misunderstanding of history. This kind of thread is why the rest of the world doesn't take ATS seriously. Your thread does not "deny ignorance." It promotes it.

a reply to: verschickter

Ironic how people try to rewrite history! so Germany didn't start the war or invade Europe it was a minority group of right wing fascists and the German population didn't support any of this lol.
I suggest you speak to any of the allied troops still alive who took part in the liberation of Europe they will tell you of cheering crowds flowers thrown at vehicles wine handed out to liberating troops parties in the street I'm talking about France Italy Belgium Holland. They will tell you about entering Germany and you would of thought all these masses of people you talk about not supporting National Socialism would have come forward to be part of the party! Sadly no they will tell you about German civilians spitting at you and verbally abusing you. Or the booby traps left behind that everyone in town knew about but didn't bother to mention. They will tell you of sabotage and hiding senior German officers helping them later to escape. Funny how the majority not supporting the Nazis didn't come forward.

a reply to: redchad
Try to rewrite history?
Calm down please, you are putting words in my mouth I never said.
You were the one saying 99%. I was to one to correct you it was not 99%. Unlike you, I did not use a number, I brought up an example that 100% sure that not 99% of the population was into Hitler. And I am still right. It was not 99%. period.

It wasn´t even 99% after they killed most of the people who had the courage to stand up against it.
You are aware of the fact that not unlike NK, we were isolated and lies were told?

If you were a trouble maker, you got a train ride or a bullet if you were lucky.
I´m saying, you try to make yourself a picture using PROPAGANDA from Hitler himself. How ironic, no, how moronic is that?

originally posted by: hellobruce

originally posted by: lavatrance
The fact is that the NAZI's were way ahead of their time.

Not really, the allies were even more advanced in many fields. Nothing the Germans developed was a surprise to the allies due to their very good intelligence.

1) They won the war but they rewrote history to make it look like it was a complete loss.

What history could they rewrite?

www.wintersonnenwende.com...

The Great Patents Heist

greyfalcon.us...

waronyou.com...

a top secret classification for 100 years upwards.

a reply to: redchad

Look at it this way, if it had of went the other way and Germany had managed to invade the United Kingdom do you think our populace would have greeted the invader with open arms?

End of the day the average German citizen of the time probably had nothing to do with the Nazi ideology's doing the rounds. They were just people trying to survive in time of war.

You have to keep in mind that we essentially liberated nations such as France, Italy, Belgium and Holland, but from the average German citizens perspective the allied powers were an invasion force there to conquer there nation.

Probably worth also keeping in mind that more often than not history is written by the victors and seldom the vanquished.

I've read a lot of evidence that the U.S. received a ton of NAZI scientists and government officials after the war that integrated into the highest levels of the Pentagon and other institutions, such as NASA.

a reply to: verschickter

Man, i'm really getting tired of people like you... The OP had mentioned Operation Paperclip. So yes, what I said goes directly with what the OP said... So understand, My great grandfather, Col. Gervais Trichel, had gotten many of the Nazi scientists, such as the rocket scientist who eventually developed the V-2 rockets that got us too the moon. Werner von Braun...