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How do we actually know that the NAZI's didn't win world war 2 ???

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posted on Jan, 25 2016 @ 04:34 AM
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originally posted by: lavatrance
So far you're missing the point. I'm mosting hearing all of what I've seen in dozens of war movies. Yes we've been shown and taught all this history but how do we know it's true?


By the soldiers and civilians from both sides who witnessed it first hand. Its like the people who argue the holocaust never happened / didnt happen in the manner described. You have civilians, jews and nazis who were there and talked about it.

Were all of the nations involved in WWII secretly working together by throwing a war just to give rise to the argument of who won and who lost?

The Nazi regime was a single party system with clear policies and those policies are incompatible with everything but national socialism.

Hitler and his self importance caused Germany to lose WWII.




posted on Jan, 25 2016 @ 04:43 AM
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Can we cut the Nazi political correctness. When my grandfather, father and uncle's were fighting in the war be it at sea or in North Africa or at Arnhem they were fighting the jerries, the Bosch in fact the Germans. It was the jerries that bombed the local docks No one talked about the enemy as Nazis even kids toys were German soldiers. Nowadays it's nazi this and nazi that. Sorry folks it was the Germans.



posted on Jan, 25 2016 @ 04:50 AM
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a reply to: redchad

Because there were Germans who did not subscribe to Nazi doctrine, and even those who acted against the Reich during the war, it is not appropriate to continue to refer to the enemy as having been German. The fact is that it was possible to be German, but not a Nazi.

At the time, one could understand the allied forces using all manner of slang to describe the enemy, but a nuanced understanding of events, after the fact, requires us to be more precise in our language. Remember, a great many of the Jews who survived the holocaust, and even those who survive to this day, were German. That, aside from any reason having to do with a fastidious manner of communication, is one of the reasons that the distinction is vital.



posted on Jan, 25 2016 @ 05:09 AM
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a reply to: TrueBrit

I think you are both right.

- Not all Germans were Nazis as millions of Germans were killed by the Nazis e.g. the disabled and Jews, and,
- Not all Nazis were Germans as many foreign nationals signed up e.g. with the Waffen SS, to fight the Russians who were arguably as bad as the Nazi's in many ways.



posted on Jan, 25 2016 @ 05:18 AM
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Aktion Adlerflug (Project Eagle Flight)?

No one has ever seen the book by Paul Manning, Martin Bormann: Nazi in exile?

The New Germany and The Old Nazis by by T.H. Tetens
1961, Ran­dom House

Falange — The Secret Axis Army in the Americas by Allan Chase
1943, Put­nam, 278 pages

No one has ever heard of the "Third Way"?

The EU was detailed and constructed by the Nazis.

Carl von Clausewitz snickers....



posted on Jan, 25 2016 @ 05:26 AM
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a reply to: TrueBrit Nah it's a cop out only in the 60's, did German teenagers start to question their parents and grandparents: What were you doing between 1933 and 1945? What did you know about the war. The younger Germans did not accept the collective amnesia regarding the Horrific crimes. They also refused to buy into the popular legend of an evil political party led by a demon called Hitler who single-handedly seduced and betrayed an innocent German people who knew nothing about the atrocities the Wehrmacht and the SS committed. It became easy for the everyday German to say it wasn't me it was the Nazis. Ninety nine percent of the German nation bought into it you only have to look at the old TV footage to see how much the population were in love with it.

WW2 started when Germany invaded Poland.



posted on Jan, 25 2016 @ 05:44 AM
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a reply to: lavatrance

Many of the 'ideas' that the Nazi's supposedly had for super weapons were actually stolen, or the Nazi's missed out on them entirely:

The Americans had the liquid fueled rocket before the Nazis (Goddard).

The English had RADAR before the Nazi's. (the Magnetron was invented in the UK as was the Daventry Experiment and they had the first operating RADAR set).

The English had electro-mechanical and electronic computers before the Nazi's (Turing & Bletchley Park).

The English had the Jet Engine before the Nazi's (Whittle).

And the Nazi's, who did have the scientists behind the atomic bomb, which would have won them the war, lost out because Einstein and Lise Meitner were Jewish (and you couldn't have that, could you).



posted on Jan, 25 2016 @ 05:49 AM
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a reply to: redchad

It should be noted, that it is only possible to see a tiny percentage of a population, in any one place, at any one time, or in any one video. Do you suppose that every individual in a nation as populous as Germany, was in at least one of the propaganda films? Because I hate to tell you, that would have been an impossibility at the time. There would have to have been more hours of videography, than there were hours of battle during the whole bloody affair, in order to fit everyone in!

Ridiculous!



posted on Jan, 25 2016 @ 07:07 AM
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a reply to: lavatrance

What do you define as winning the war?



posted on Jan, 25 2016 @ 07:15 AM
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originally posted by: redchad
Can we cut the Nazi political correctness. When my grandfather, father and uncle's were fighting in the war be it at sea or in North Africa or at Arnhem they were fighting the jerries, the Bosch in fact the Germans. It was the jerries that bombed the local docks No one talked about the enemy as Nazis even kids toys were German soldiers. Nowadays it's nazi this and nazi that. Sorry folks it was the Germans.


A lot of the NAZI soldiers that fought were Austrians, Ukrainians et al.

To call them just German gives those other nations a free pass while just pinning the blame on Germany, hell even Hitler wasn’t German he was a Austrian!
And a lot of the Death camps were staffed by Ukrainian SS.


Saying Germany was soley responsible for WW2 is as bad as saying the USA won WW2 as many nationality’s were involved both sides....I mean it says so in the name....WORLD WAR.

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posted on Jan, 25 2016 @ 07:19 AM
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originally posted by: lavatrance
I was thinking about this a bit. The fact is that the NAZI's were way ahead of their time. They were working on all kinds of insane weapons technology. It's accepted by historians that they pioneered a ton of engineering marvels. Like we know that list could fill several books.

But they were also brilliant at the propaganda war. They convinced everyone that the jews were no good. That hitler was some kind of a deity like figure, that the arian was the best race, and all kinds of crazy stuff.

So what I started wondering was this. Lets say a think tank in germany realized that even if they won the war they might have a hard time then dominating and forcibly controlling all these people. They realized that the better approach to winning the war might be by "stealth".

So here's a few scenarios:

1) They won the war but they rewrote history to make it look like it was a complete loss. Therefore future generations would not know that they are now infact under nazi rule.

2) They actually lost the war but carefully groomed the scenario to allow for operation paper clip to take place. Paperclip would happen at such a level that they could then infiltrate and take over the You-es, brit'z and the ruskies ... and do it by stealth, they'd essentially be implanting their top people in top positions within these foriegn gahvourn-mints. And thus over time they'd covertly take over all there enemies.

Now why is this theory reasonable? Well look at everything! it's nuts. The you-es has the highest levels of prisoners in the world. Nazi germany would be extremely proud. They had nothing on this level of tyranny. Then look at everything else. Cameras on every street corner is the norm now. Endless propaganda on tv, radio, movies, music, books, news etc. All MSM is under a controlled agenda.

So look at this carefully, all this supposed FREEDOM that the allies (good guys) were fighting for is gone. It's all total and complete BS. We are now living as the NAZI'S would have liked us to live. Exactly how, even more so! But yet we think we won the war. We think we won some kind of freedom from oppression and the bad guys. But nothing could be further from the truth. We are living in as close to a modern nazi germany as one could imagine it would be like.

So it makes me wonder if there's perhaps something else that happened that we're not being told. Maybe the NAZI'S did win somehow and it's a big cover up??

What do you think???





After the claim the war was won, it is said many scientist and doctors of the group in question spread out into other countries, including the U.S..

Just like the war in Iraq was said to have been won with also the stabilization of Afghanistan, once the order was given to pull out the large number of troops there years later, the problems it had before resurfaced to an even greater extent with ISIS and Al Qaida getting the most attention from the media and military. Having said that, this can lead one to question why the Natzi's didn't resurface with branch off groups powerful enough to garner media and military attention like the aformentioned groups. So questions arise as to where the Natz's idelogy went standing as one huge powerful group to be reckoned with because it simply isn't there in the public's face. This may be due to the huge number of people, which include research companies and the average joe, who have adopted many or even just one, part/s of their ideology but now standing behind companies/firms or as an individual, rejecting being labled as a supporter yet still promoting and keeping alive the hatred as seen in numerous forums across the world wide web, or in comment areas on news articles provided for the public to state their opinion, usually anonymously.

The phase that everything seems to be in now, and has been for years, is experimentation with the public being allowed to express themselves in one centralized form, the world wide web where everything is documented and willingly so by the public. Just as we have heard of the Jews being told they were going to get showers and they were looking forward to it and willingly went, only to find out it was not water that came out of the pipes but gas. While not remotely as terrible as that, reasearch and experimentation is the main focus with willing participants. And this is in many areas such as people discussing the medication they are on down to expressing how they feel about a terrible disaster that occured to sharing psychic abilities and techniques used.

Some may wonder what will become of us all after all the information has been shared what the powerful in the shadows plan to do which it can be surmised they will bail on the population and leave earth, colonizing other planets if they haven't already. There are probably a handful of groups that are or have been capable of this, where space weapons unknown to average people are stationed which are capable of causing more catastrophy than the nukes used at the end of wwII. Due to the high probability of this and the fact that the groups are still here on this planet with personal relationship attachments such as friends or animals and beautiful houses and yachts is likely why we all are still here today. Once the shadow groups get more secure in space with guaranteeing the same stability this planet has on another planet or even a huge ship, the concern will be less. Earth is simply too amazing and beautiful to leave. All anyone can hope for is that God is real, to which He is and is more compassionate on the average joe than even average joe's are with each other in their squabbling using mere "clubs" in comparison to high beam lasers that actually disintigrate people into a pile of ashes on the spot, such as the weapons created by shadow elite groups trying to play god with people's lives.



posted on Jan, 25 2016 @ 07:28 AM
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a reply to: lavatrance

While it is true that Hitler lost the war many high ranking NAZI's including members of the SS and the Gestapo were almost immediately sheltered from prosecution by the US and even given whitewashed backstory's and new identity's, one of the most prominent was of course Werner Von Braun whom was made a hero of the US for his work in there space program and ICBM program, a man whom worked slave labourers to death.

Another was the undeniable war criminal and his network of agents whom included men so evil that they should have been at the nurembourg war crimes trials, this man was one Reinhardt Gehlan en.wikipedia.org...
www.dailymail.co.uk...

Historically it would appear that Reihardt Gehlan was also worthy of the title FATHER OF THE COLD WAR as he actively played on the US and allies Fear of the Soviet russian's and also fed bad intelligence to the west to pump up the soviet bogey man in there mind's and make his own position even more protected.

The other fact is that though they lost the war under the lend lease agreement Britain was bankrupted and the money paid back to the US for the weapons we had to buy from them then got fed into the former Axis nation's of Germany and Japan in order to rebuild there economy's while our factorys in Britain were mostly bombed out shell's meaning that the resources which should have been used to restore the British economy after the war were then not, of course the US came out of the war as the most powerful and richest nation in the world as it tried to turn it's former enemy's into new allies but as is the way of runaway capitalism it's own wealth was not shared fairly and after the late 60's that wealth having been hoarded in the hand's of just a few ultra wealthy individuals meant that though still the wealthiest nation on earth the working class in the US started to lose ground and begin to grow ever more poor until this has reached the current economic status quo, this is a social economic disease in which the unltra wealthy are acting like Leeches and draining the money from the economy thus preventing money rotation by taking more than the excess from the econimic cycle which they really only should and this disease has unfortunatly crossed the pond to Britain some time ago now.

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posted on Jan, 25 2016 @ 07:30 AM
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a reply to: lavatrance

Ok I can accept the third reicht are or have rebuilt or are rebuilding

Not won the second war



posted on Jan, 25 2016 @ 07:34 AM
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a reply to: lavatrance

A lot of the high level Nazis moved to United States, South America and other nations down to programs such as Operation Paperclip and there like. The real winners in WW2 where the banker oogarts that sponsored both the Axis and Allied forces during the conflict.
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posted on Jan, 25 2016 @ 07:37 AM
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Was Bobby Fischer really anti Semitic or was that just his pawn game?
Anyone successfully targeted by Mein Kampf is definitely not a key player in our current NWO.
Pope Benedict saw through the transparency of his Hitler youth training.



posted on Jan, 25 2016 @ 07:44 AM
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a reply to: Slichter

If people in charge of the NWO have no problem with the concept of ethnic-based proselytism, there is no change since the Nazis.



posted on Jan, 25 2016 @ 07:51 AM
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originally posted by: Layaly
a reply to: lavatrance

What do you define as winning the war?



I think defining winning is easy in this case, Germany was almost totally destroyed, hundreds of thousands of civilians displaced, the capital occupied and it's leaders either captured or dead (with the notable exceptions of Borrman and Muller) Donitz, the head of the German Reich at the time of surrender sent Keitel and Jodel to surrender to the Western Allies and The Soviet Union. ie: they were defeated the moment that the final unconditional surrender took place (although it is good to note WW2 did not actually end until 1991 when the Treaty on the Final Settlement With Respect to Germany was signed in 1990 becoming effective in March 91)



posted on Jan, 25 2016 @ 07:51 AM
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i would imagine they had planned for operation paperclip to preserve the nazi movement, but i think as all the old dogs died out the new blood got used to the charade and decided it wasnt worth going back. im sure there are powerful nazi sympathizers out there trying to rekindle the flame but it ended very poorly last time and history has not let us forget it.



posted on Jan, 25 2016 @ 08:37 AM
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a reply to: lavatrance

1 - if they had won - then why the need to claim they lost ?????????????? this makes zero sense at any level

2 - makes less sense than premise one



posted on Jan, 25 2016 @ 08:46 AM
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a reply to: redchad

Erm... Let me correct you a little bit by saying that not 99% of germans were into it.
There were so called blockwart´s, now a days you´d call them snitches, who would report you to the nazi-party if you did anything "un-german" or helped any of the hunted groups. My neighbor was one of those assholes. He died around 1995. Btw, american soldiers were not really better with their air strafe runs on people working on fields, two weeks after the official end of the war. My grandfather (16 then) was commanded into war just before it ended, luck for him that he hid in the woods!

So come again and tell us 99% of the people were into it, just by looking at old propaganda videos that were filmed by who? Right, the propaganda machine. At least get some historic facts right please.

Most of the people were not there by free will and if you did not play right or hailed, you got in big trouble, regardless of you were from german descent or not.
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