Sanders vs. Trump the Election of the Century

Whoever you like, whatever your political leanings left or right, Trump vs. Sanders would be the most interesting Presidential election
the USA has ever had - The consummate Capitalist Trump vs. the consummate Socialist Sanders - As sharp a division in political ideology
as you could have. Here we would see what this country [USA] has been moving to, more so in recent years than ever before. The large
political divide that has developed between the right and the left would be put up for a popular vote.

And who do you think will win ? I say it will be close - What do you think

Thank you for the thread. I think you are right. It will be history and passionate. I will go ahead and apologize for the next year to the mods and posters if I get over zealous.

I think Bernie will win due to the younger generation. I can't speak for all, just the ones I am around. They do not trust Trump at all with the money.

originally posted by: MOMof3
Thank you for the thread. I think you are right. It will be history and passionate. I will go ahead and apologize for the next year to the mods and posters if I get over zealous.

I think Bernie will win due to the younger generation. I can't speak for all, just the ones I am around. They do not trust Trump at all with the money.

True, but money talks and often swears, and Trump and the right have big pockets and billions to spend - As Bernie would
tell you they buy elections in this country like Trump buys real estate and they won't pull any punches against a left winger
they fear much more than Hilary.

a reply to: AlienView

I think one thing is certain, it would be sending a clear message to congress that the public has had enough of politicians ignoring the needs and expectations of it's citizens. The Cruz attack on New Yorkers shows how much career politicians only want to push their own self-centered agenda. They don't only represent people affiliated with their party, they represent all the people.

If Trump or sanders is not controlled opposition then by the election they will have either:

A) Been "found" with child porn

B) Died in a Jet/Car "accident"

C) Died of a "heart Attack"

D) Committed "suicide"

a reply to: AlienView

Totally agreeing the OP. There is less political jargon with these two candidates, and while they are opposing in the way how things should be solved, they are speaking to pretty much the same audience. AND they both are DISappealing the same audience - elite - both financial and political.

So, it will be for once en election where audience needs to be convinced, the right person for the job really WILL GET THE JOB DONE. Because, there is quite much to do as well...

a reply to: AlienView

Sanders vs. Trump the Election of the Century

These two are about the most opposite, furthest politically flung candidates ever in my six decades of life.
One borders on being a devout communist and the other, a devoted fascist.

Hate those two words? Not a problem.
When I comment at HuffPo, I am immediately labeled as a fascist and when I comment at InfoWars, I am a communist.
Here in this, the second decade of the 21st century, if one is not an extremist, there's just no room.

No matter who wins; Trump, Hillary, Sanders... whoever, there's no good outcome. I'm just glad I lived the better portion of my life before this all set in... like a disease.

Coffee's up...

...

a reply to: AlienView

What I find fascinating about such a head-to-head is the disingenuous nature of each candidate to their own purported ideological allegiance.

Bernie isn't for state ownership of the means of production and is therefore not a socialist.

Donnie isn't for free markets and is therefore not a capitalist.

To me, this does appear to be the embodiment of meaningless rhetoric writ large.

Republicans would much rather have Sanders to fight than Hilary. They can attack Sanders for his age, ethnic background,
and how far he leans to the left - An admitted Socialist. Hilary on the other hand will have the advantage with women,
and moderate left wing causes - Also, and probably to her disadvantage some might consider it will be the third time
she will be running the Whirte House - Hey, she has survived Bill hasn't she? You see why so many Republcans are
running? - They think the Democrats will be easy to beat. Maybe not true, but if you study the history of American
elections, Socialists though often popular among many rarely, if ever, win major elections.

Honestly, I don't think a straight up Sanders vs Trump election would be close at all. Sanders would destroy him. Trump would either need an established powerbroker or a famous celebrity to sway enough people towards him in the general election. But that still wouldn't shore up any support from the left wing & moderate demographics that he's brashly alienated.

It's almost like people forget that extreme right wing rhetoric works in the Republican primaries but fails in the general election. Even Bush had to push that "compassionate conservative" and "humble nation" narrative in order to win in 2000.

The biggest question will come down to their running mates & the people they'd be willing to include in their administrations. Because neither party establishment would go along with most of those 2 guys' plans in Congress or State legislatures anyway. So I'd guess it would take some big time establishment powerbrokers in both of their proposed Cabinets in order for either of them to get anything accomplished.

(though I hope I'm wrong in Bernie's case)

originally posted by: WeRpeons
a reply to: AlienView

I think one thing is certain, it would be sending a clear message to congress that the public has had enough of politicians ignoring the needs and expectations of it's citizens. The Cruz attack on New Yorkers shows how much career politicians only want to push their own self-centered agenda. They don't only represent people affiliated with their party, they represent all the people.

America needs to wake up and realize that this election cycle also includes electing your districts representative for Congress. Want to send a message to Congress, then don't just check a dnc or GOP box...actually know who your candidates all are and vote for each accordingly. Otherwise, the only message Congress gets is that nothing has changed! Really make your vote count. Trump and Sanders are both Independents whether they are noted as R&D for the election. Make sure you also, elect someone who will assist your Presidential choice in Congress, otherwise it will still be stalemate!

a reply to: AlienView

If it happens... Is there a way to filter out all political discourse? I don't mean from ATS, I mean from my eyes and ears in general.

a reply to: MOMof3

I think Trump would the it just as you said Mom w/the younger gens.

I think Bernie will win due to the younger generation. I can't speak for all, just the ones I am around.

a reply to: CynConcepts

Yes Congress is the most important.

But as we are seeing with Obama, Executive Branch policies can screw things up just as badly.

a reply to: AlienView

Ideology-wise, it'd come down to;

Do you want to take care of yourself?

Or

Do you want government to take care of you?

Sadly, people don't embrace self-reliance as they once did. People will sacrifice drive, innovation, work ethics, individuality, for government security.

Sanders would win because the US has become a whiny weak victim nation.

(I need more coffee)

a reply to: xuenchen
There are 34 senate seats up for election as well as the house of representatives. Most voters overlook the power of our legislative branches since they don't get the national attention like the presidency does. We don't seem to realize we the people have a vote there too. In my ignorant days, I didn't realize I should make myself more aware of these other elections. I could not yell at congress, I held some blame since I didn't take the time to research these other candidates. My only focus was on the president. Don't let this media circus distract you from really denying ignorance.

The debates. This is where you will learn who the candidate will be. Sanders vs Trump will be comparable to the best SNL skit you have ever seen.

It is the independent voter that will win the election as always. Depending on current polling there is about a 10 point split, both ways, for each candidate from December.

These are two of the most completely different candidates that could ever be put together. There is also the VP slot that would need to be filled that will sway voters.

a reply to: enlightenedservant

I said much the same in another thread, Trump would have to tone it waay down in the general match up.

originally posted by: AlienView


And who do you think will win ? I say it will be close - What do you think

I agree. Right now I would have it 52-48 Trump.
Not what I want but what it seems like the US wants.

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: AlienView

Ideology-wise, it'd come down to;

Do you want to take care of yourself?

Or

Do you want government to take care of you?

Sadly, people don't embrace self-reliance as they once did. People will sacrifice drive, innovation, work ethics, individuality, for government security.

Sanders would win because the US has become a whiny weak victim nation.

(I need more coffee)

I disagree. From my prospective the choose is closer to,

Only care about self and what you can gain.

vs

Everyone coming together to help each other.