CNN to host Obama town hall on guns in America

Obama is *stressing* the background checks.



He's stammering and choking.

Obama is talking in generalities.

No substance, no real answers.

a reply to: xuenchen

At least he is taking real questions from real people.
I did not expect him to have a real question at all.

a reply to: xuenchen

Well the show is over.

Boring and nothing was solved

Obama is buttering up the public for a bigger "order".

a reply to: infolurker



good one !!

There all hassling the president for not being able to answer why he keeps bringing up Australia's gun regulations after the port arthur massacre... Well, its because it worked Einsteins!

As much as I passionately hate the conservative prime minister (John Howard) at the time, he stood he's ground, against huge public opposition and implemented strict gun regulations, without actually banning responsible gun owners from obtaining firearms.

He eliminated mass shootings and the majority of Australians feel much safer as a result... The sky didn't fall down, the government didn't declare Marshall law, they didn't start marching us into fema camps, nobody attempted to erode our civil rights... none of that paranoid delusional nonsense occurred as a result.

Obviously, the US will never have gun law reforms like Australia did, because of the 2nd Amendment... But its still a good example of how commonsense regulations can and do result in a safer society for everyone.

originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: xuenchen

At least he is taking real questions from real people.
I did not expect him to have a real question at all.

Screened questions from hand-picked attendees, you mean.

originally posted by: Subaeruginosa
There all hassling the president for not being able to answer why he keeps bringing up Australia's gun regulations after the port arthur massacre... Well, its because it worked Einsteins!

...

[The] majority of Australians feel much safer as a result... The sky didn't fall down, the government didn't declare Marshall law, they didn't start marching us into fema camps, nobody attempted to erode our civil rights... none of that paranoid delusional nonsense occurred as a result.

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[It's] still a good example of how commonsense regulations can and do result in a safer society for everyone.

Really? What is your definition of 'safer society'?

www.gunfacts.info...

Myth: Gun control in Australia is curbing crime

GUNS IN OTHER COUNTRIES - Australian Homicides before and after Port Arthur Masacre and Gun Ban BuybackFact: Homicides were falling before the Australian firearm ban, matching a global downward trend in most industrialized countries. However, non-firearm homicides are relatively stable in Australia.

Fact: Crime has been rising since enacting a sweeping ban on private gun ownership. In the first two years after Australian gun-owners were forced to surrender 640,381 personal firearms, government statistics showed a dramatic increase in criminal activity. 33 In 2001-2002, homicides were up another 20%. 34

From the inception of firearm confiscation to March 27, 2000, the numbers are:

Firearm-related murders were up 19%
Armed robberies were up 69%
Home invasions were up 21%
The sad part is that in the 15 years before the national gun confiscation:

Firearm-related homicides dropped nearly 66%
Firearm-related deaths fell 50%
Fact: Gun crimes have been rising throughout Australia since guns were banned. In Sydney alone, robbery rates with guns rose 160% in 2001, more than in the previous year. 35

Fact: A ten year Australian study has concluded that firearm confiscation had no effect on crime rates. 36 A separate report also concluded that Australia’s 1996 gun control laws “found [no] evidence for an impact of the laws on the pre-existing decline in firearm homicides” 37 and yet another report from Australia for a similar time period indicates the same lack of decline in firearm homicides. 38

Fact: Despite having much stricter gun control than New Zealand (including a near ban on handguns) firearm homicides in both countries track one another over 25 years, indicating that gun control is not a control variable. 39

a reply to: Subaeruginosa

Australia gets plenty of gun shootings.

a reply to: Teikiatsu

Well, crime in general is a totally different subject... But homicides as a whole have halved in Australia since the 1996 gun bans, yet homicides in New Zealand have remained stable the whole time.

In Australia, the annual rate of homicide by any means per 100,000 population is
2013: 0.97
2012: 1.30
2011: 1.12
2010: 1.20
2009: 1.28
2008: 1.19
2007: 1.04
2006: 1.25
2005: 0.98
2004: 0.82
2003: 1.41
2002: 1.49
2001: 1.55
2000: 1.78
1999: 1.81
1998: 1.68
1997: 1.73
1996: 1.97

gunpolicy.org/Australia

In New Zealand, the annual rate of homicide by any means per 100,000 population is
2013: 1.90
2012: 1.57
2011: 0.91
2010: 1.30
2009: 2.0
2008: 1.20
2007: 1.30
2006: 1.60
2005: 1.70
2004: 1.20
2003: 1.40
2002: 1.80
2001: 1.40
2000: 1.50
1999: 1.30
1998: 1.50
1997: 1.80
1996: 1.80

gunpolicy.org/NewZealand

The success of Australia and gun ban/confiscation...

Australia Sees Spike in Gun Crime Despite Outright Ban

Australia has seen a rise in gun crime over the past decade despite imposing an outright ban on many firearms in the late 1990s.

Charges for crimes involving firearms have increased dramatically across the island nation’s localities in the past decade according to an analysis of government statistics conducted by The New Daily. It found that gun crimes have spiked dramatically in the Australian states of Victoria, New South Wales, South Australia, and Tasmania. In Victoria, pistol-related offenses doubled over the last decade. In New South Wales, they tripled. The other states saw smaller but still significant increases.

And Obama sees this as a solution for the U.S.

a reply to: xuenchen

Seriously, freebacon.com? Am I supposed to just trust a news article on a site called freebacon.com?

Regardless, they only make the claim that gun 'crimes' have risen, whether its true or not, its still kind of irreverent. Since a gun crime can be committed with an inoperable unloaded firearm.

The actual murder rate in Australia has still halved since 1996, crimes committed with a chuck of metal are totally irreverent to the subject of this thread.

a reply to: Teikiatsu

He got questions from both sides , or were you watching another program?

originally posted by: Subaeruginosa


gunpolicy.org

The percentage of households with one or more guns.
2014- 31%

Yet at the same time there's estimated to be 101.05 firearms per 100 people. Which just goes to show that there is a small amount of fanatics in the US who own a whole lot of guns.

gunpolicy.org is your base for non-biased numbers related to firearms.
Good hell.
How about you go and actually research the FBI raw data??? Go and look at as well "new concealed carry permit applications".
gunpolicy.org......you might as well of asked the Soros foundation or perhaps 0bama some numbers.

originally posted by: Subaeruginosa

I suppose you could research gun regulations in other countries and answer your own question. But how would having no regulations whatsoever (which is what your essentially advocating) have stopped any of those shootings?

That is not what I asked.
It is clear that you can't answer the question..........next time just state as much.

a reply to: MystikMushroom

Oh so you spoke with a "real human gun buyer" did ya...good for you. Fantastic.
What does that mean in interweb world?
I do like your single "real human" as anecdotal evidence that 0bama isn't going to come knocking on peoples doors.

Here, try this. Infringement is still infringement.

originally posted by: Subaeruginosa
a reply to: xuenchen

Seriously, freebacon.com? Am I supposed to just trust a news article on a site called freebacon.com?

Why not, you pitched gunpolicy.org as a valid source.

originally posted by: macman

originally posted by: Subaeruginosa


gunpolicy.org

The percentage of households with one or more guns.
2014- 31%

Yet at the same time there's estimated to be 101.05 firearms per 100 people. Which just goes to show that there is a small amount of fanatics in the US who own a whole lot of guns.

originally posted by: Subaeruginosa

I suppose you could research gun regulations in other countries and answer your own question. But how would having no regulations whatsoever (which is what your essentially advocating) have stopped any of those shootings?

That is not what I asked.
It is clear that you can't answer the question..........next time just state as much.

For starters, all guns which are purchased in the US should by law be registered to the purchaser before exchanging hands... that in itself would make it a hell of a lot harder for guns to enter the black market.

But what would I know?

More guns for everyone! Every household should have at least one grenade launcher, anti aircraft gun and M4 rifle... that would make Americans much safer, right?

originally posted by: Subaeruginosa


For starters, all guns which are purchased in the US should by law be registered to the purchaser before exchanging hands... that in itself would make it a hell of a lot harder for guns to enter the black market.

Ahhhhh, how does registering a firearm stop a criminal for using it? Is there a black magic spell cast upon the gun that does not allow anyone else to use it except a person who signed a piece of paper with the SN on it?
This is the same logic of people that think a restraining order will stop someone.

originally posted by: Subaeruginosa
But what would I know?

clearly not a damn thing in regards to firearms, the US Constitution or how life works.

originally posted by: Subaeruginosa
More guns for everyone! Every household should have at least one grenade launcher, anti aircraft gun and M4 rifle... that would make Americans much safer, right?

Sure.

originally posted by: macman
a reply to: MystikMushroom

Oh so you spoke with a "real human gun buyer" did ya...good for you. Fantastic.
What does that mean in interweb world?
I do like your single "real human" as anecdotal evidence that 0bama isn't going to come knocking on peoples doors.

Here, try this. Infringement is still infringement.

Not a "gun buyer" a gun SELLER. This guy sells more guns on a weekly basis than you may have ever purchased. Truly. He's a pretty good example of someone who owns, SELLS, and takes his 2nd amendment right seriously -- and yet isn't screaming, "ALL ABOARD" the crazy train ala Ozzy Ozborne.

I brought up the human element because I feel its important that people actually talk to other real human beings face to face instead of just reading typed messages on a computer screen.