Aircraft picture quiz

Originally posted by The Winged Wombat
Messerschmitt Me 323E-2

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So special! I spent a long time to search google again! No picture can prove that wing turret on Me323 even. How can I see "E-2", please post picture

So, you weren't interested in the bombers emile?

No, I'm just interesting in special aeroplanes, which means should be some characts.
I have to go master! now is 0'clock pass 20 minute so sorry


[edit on 31-1-2006 by emile]

One Me 323E-2 to go............







The Me 323E-2/WT (Waffentrager) was fitted with 11 20mm MG 151 cannon and was intended to act as an escort for other transports - only one was built. The Me 262E-2 model went into production.

[edit on 31/1/06 by The Winged Wombat]

Originally posted by emile
No, I'm just interesting in special aeroplanes, which means should be some characts.
I have to go master! now is 0'clock pass 20 minute so sorry

I post you a six engined giant canard bomber with wing mounted gun turrets and you don't think its 'special' ???? I give up







[edit on 31-1-2006 by waynos]

Also, talking of wing mounted gun turrets, I retrieved this one from the first page of this thread. See, I didn't really give up.

Ha Waynos:
You are jealous, aren't you?! I'm joking.......
I haven't care your pictures because the aeroplanes you posted in which wing turret no it's a gun cannot move. But that turret I want mention is a genuine turret which should can circumgyrate. If your aeroplane have gyral turret, I will be interesting in it
By the way, you haven't given the name of that six engine-Vickers bomber that looks like show in some science fiction movie not a real one.
Taking about boomber, I more like every kind of jet-bomber built by British, almost all of jet-bomber such as 3V bomber, Canberra, TSR.2, than B-47, B-52 looks more stupid like passenge aeroplane. Now we take about a bomber fitted gyral turret that make ones feel exciting and interesting.
Could you tell me the gun on the bomber you posted really can circumgyrate?
Wombat:
That Page 45 Post Number: 1352493 in which the aeroplane still haven't answer.

Anyway, I couldn't identify Mirage I, Ⅱ, Ⅲ , I have two pictures which showed aircraft looks like Mirage, but I don't know what kind of Mirage are these? Can you help me upload more clear picture and 3 view linechart



[edit on 1-2-2006 by emile]

The name of the six engined bomber is simply 'scheme C' as it was one of several layouts that were being studied for this requirement, as far as I know, it never recieved another name. Also, of course they were proper turrets! They were remotely controlled by a gunner seated in the conventional tail position and rotated from directly astern to straight out along the wing trailing edge ( geared to prevent the guns on the 'wrong' side from firing inwards towards the fuselage, naturally) as well as elevating up and down. The guns themselves were 20mm hispano cannon, rather than machine guns.

What on earth made you think the guns were fixed? Take another look at the photograph of the Windsor, which used exactly the same turret, as did a Warwick test bed flown in 1944, maybe you couldn't see the guns properly as it isn't of the best quality.

Also the photograph you are asking about is a Mirage I, you can tell because it is the only twin engined Mirage version apart from the much more obvious Mirage IV bomber and 4000 fighter

Here is its entry from the 1957 Observers Aircraft, the first year in which the Mirage appeared. There never was a Mirage II (don't know why) and the single engined prototype featured in the 1958 edition is the III-A. The first Mirage fighter to reach squadron service was the III-C in 1960.



Yes, I was a bit jealous, did it show?

Not really of course, its just that after you asked for planes with wing mounted turrets and I found one one that was also a huge 6 engined canard bomber, as well as having the feature you wanted, I couldn't believe you said no, only special ones" . If a design like that isn't special I don't know what is

[edit on 1-2-2006 by waynos]

emile,

That post on Page 45 turned out to be a Couzinet 10.

Originally posted by waynos
Also the photograph you are asking about is a Mirage I, you can tell because it is the only twin engined Mirage version apart from the much more obvious Mirage IV bomber and 4000 fighter

Here is its entry from the 1957 Observers Aircraft, the first year in which the Mirage appeared. There never was a Mirage II (don't know why) and the single engined prototype featured in the 1958 edition is the III-A. The first Mirage fighter to reach squadron service was the III-C in 1960.

Waynos:
In terms of this picture, I really think there was a Mirage II which was totally different with Mirage I

I just never saw a picture of Mirage II. Also there is no independent resouces can prove what the page you posted has said that Mirage II just was a Mirage I refixed engine!

Originally posted by waynos
Yes, I was a bit jealous, did it show?

Not really of course, its just that after you asked for planes with wing mounted turrets and I found one one that was also a huge 6 engined canard bomber, as well as having the feature you wanted, I couldn't believe you said no, only special ones" . If a design like that isn't special I don't know what is

:shk: Do you think I am a person who make a new friend will forget old friend? I still remember the time when I first log in this website, I didn't know how to post picture, I didn't know how to edit my profile and article I had posted. Everything was you taught me, every knowledge of aircraft I asked was you told me. All of that evenif happen just yesterday...... Our friendship won't change for ever. I am also very proud of you and tell someone around me how great you are. I am so sad you were jealous

[edit on 1-2-2006 by emile]

Emile, don't worry. I was joking, thats why I put on the end.

As you can see from the 1957 book page I posted, the Mirage I II and III were originally all to be twin engined, with each getting more powerful engines than the one before and the original twin jet Mirage III was to be the service version.

Marcel Dassault hit upon fitting a large single engine after he witnessed the Fairey Delta 2 testing in France (so the legend goes) and so the Mirage III switched to a single engined design. As you can see from the text in the book (which is a contemporary source - like a pocket 'Jane's') there was doubt at this stage as to which form the Mirage III would take. We all now know that it was built with one big Atar but this meant that the II was unnecessary and was abandoned unflown. From the 1958 edition (where the IIIA is the featured model) onwards the Mirage I and II models are never mentioned again.

[edit on 1-2-2006 by waynos]

The Mirage II, I believe, never left the drawing board. It was intended to have two Turbomeca Gabiso turbojets (2 x 2,400 lbst dry, 3,310 lbst with reheat) plus two small rockets each of 1,650 lb thrust. Estimated performance of Mach 1.55 at 36,000 ft was not sufficient to meet the requirement of Mach 2, and so was abandoned in favour of the Mirage III (initially with two engines - Dassault versions of the ASV.10 Viper) which also incorporated "area rule".

While "Observer's Book of Aircraft" says that Mirage I was a private venture (Originally named Mystere Delta), Paul Jackson's book "Mirage" (Modern Combat Aircraft 23) states that it was in response to a request for proposals from A de l'A. Other submissions to this request were Sud-Est SE.212 Durandal, Sud-Ouest SO.9050 Trident II and Nord 1500 Griffon.
Interestingly, the book also mentions that the Nord N.1302 Gerfaut was the first aircraft to exceed Mach 1 in level flight without afterburning or ramjet assistance - supercruise in August 1954!

[edit on 1/2/06 by The Winged Wombat]

I can offer some support there, the 1955-56 Edition of Jane's all the worlds Aircraft states that "The MD.550 .........was designed to conform to a French air ministry specification........"

It seems that it was the notion of making a powerful single engined version (the Mirage III) that was the 'private venture'.

Here are more pic for two martser!

Here goes;

1 Myasischev Bison. I'm aware it might also be a Tu-95 but I'm swayed by the absence of side blisters under the tail.

2 Ames AD-1 slew wing testbed

3 Focke Wulf Ta-154

4 Tupolev Tu-154

5 MiG 19 (or J-6 copy)

6 Rockwell Sabreliner (stalking an A-10)

Dare I say a liitle obvious, emile.

1. Tupolev Tu-20 Bear

2. Ames AD-1

3. Focke-Wulf Ta 154 V1

4. Tupolev Tu-154

5. Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-19 (or Shenyang copy)

6. North American (Rockwell) CT-39G Sabreliner - Fairchild A-10A Thunderbolt II (in the background).

Looks like we are doing it together, Waynos !

I'll stick with the Bear - I think it is just the angle of the shot

[edit on 5/2/06 by The Winged Wombat]

Yeas, wombat, I agonized other that first one I do think I made the wrong call as the 'crease' in the fuselage seems to go straight back all the way but in the Bison it curved downwards before it reached the gunners side window, I think the missing blister was a red herring. Oh well.

this is clearly identical but is a Tu-95;



[edit on 5-2-2006 by waynos]

Waynos,

I based my decision on the consideration that the picture had been cropped just behind the blister and also that it appears to be a ground shot.... the Bison would sit much more tail down due to the bicycle undercarriage. I usually categorise all Bears by their service designation of Tu-20 rather than the manufacturer designation unless I can pick the actual model (sorry, just a silly habit of mine). I'd have to do some research to work out the actual factory designation of each of the Bears. Are they all Tu-95 or Tu-142 ?

Now you're asking. As far as I know all the bombers were Tu 95's and the Tu-142 was the anti submarine version, but I couldn't swear to that.

Its been a while since I posted any pics so heres a few, they were takin with a camera directly from a large format book, if you're happy with them there are many more I could do this way but if they are too crappy just let me know and I wont do any more this way.