Putin will respond: Russians feel betrayed as Turkey stabs them in the back

a reply to: ken10

So Turkey had no right to shoot down a plane violating its airspace?

a reply to: Xcathdra

No, because it posed no threat to Turkey's national security.
They could've taken the case to NATO or even international trial for that matter, before shooting it out of the sky.
Turkey is not at war with Russia, so there's no excuse for this in my opinion.

a reply to: Tyrion79

and KAL 007 posed no threat to soviet airspace.
The Turkish recon aircraft posed no threat to Syrian airspace either.

However they were shot down because they violated airspace.

Save the excuses. Russia violated Turkish airspace several times in October and were warned further violations would result in aircraft being engaged. They then ignored warnings and violated turkish airspace... again... while attacking anything but isis.

a reply to: Xcathdra

and KAL 007 posed no threat to soviet airspace.
The Turkish recon aircraft posed no threat to Syrian airspace either.

However they were shot down because they violated airspace.

If that was what happened in that case (I'm not familiar with it particularly), then it was just as bad on account of the Russians.
Still no excuse in this case, to retaliate with this "eye for an eye" approach.

again... while attacking anything but isis.

Yet, they didn't attack Turkish targets, only targets of "Turkish interest".
I'm seeing the political motivation here and not a justified one, because of airspace violation.
Turkey has to show some transparency in this in my opinion.

a reply to: Tyrion79

and violated its airspace in the process, which is why they engaged.

originally posted by: Athenea008
a reply to: AVoiceOfReason

I don't know why people keep discussing with this guy xCathdra. His comments are always biased, full of lies, and with an unbearable hate for not only the Russian goverment, but to the Russian people in general.

Not so long ago, he said ISIS had been created by Putin. Needless to say more.

Not much different from you guys. So far the ISIS was started by:

- USA
- USA CIA controlled
- Saudi Arabia
- Israel

Please add to the list if I have missed some.

Please make up your minds.

a reply to: Athenea008

Show where I said Putin created isis or apologize since i never claimed / stated that. You guys just make it up as you go dont you. You cant refute facts so you go for personal attacks with stuff you just make up.

originally posted by: pompel9

originally posted by: Athenea008
a reply to: AVoiceOfReason

I don't know why people keep discussing with this guy xCathdra. His comments are always biased, full of lies, and with an unbearable hate for not only the Russian goverment, but to the Russian people in general.

Not so long ago, he said ISIS had been created by Putin. Needless to say more.

Not much different from you guys. So far the ISIS was started by:

- USA
- USA CIA controlled
- Saudi Arabia
- Israel

Please add to the list if I have missed some.

Please make up your minds.

Have you seen this video yet, featuring retired U.S. General Wesley Clark in an interview on CNN?

"ISIS got started through funding from our friends and allies, because these people will tell you in the region, if you want somebody who fight to the death against Hezbollah, you don't put out a recruiting poster and say, you know, sign up for us or we gonna make a better world. You go after zealots and you go after these religious fundamentalists, that's who fights Hezbollah."

Without implying anything further here, I thought this interview was interesting to include in the list of origins of ISIS.

a reply to: Tyrion79

It certainly undermines the claims by pro russians it was created by the US. Even though he was referring to combating Hezzbollah. He also talks about the need for Assad to go.

a reply to: Xcathdra

Agreed, however this was just one source and there should be an international investigation into this, in terms of the origins of ISIS.
It will be very hard to uncover the truth, seeing how alot of different parties are involved.
Maybe we'll never know for sure and this will be filed as just another conspiracy theory in the history of mankind.

a reply to: Tyrion79

So one source is ok for you to use until it contains info not blaming the US?

originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: Tyrion79

So one source is ok for you to use until it contains info not blaming the US?

Not at all and stop being on the defensive all the time, it wasn't directed at you in any way.
I didn't make that list, nor have I said that I agree to anything on it.
Note at the bottom of my post:

originally posted by: Tyrion79
Without implying anything further here, I thought this interview was interesting to include in the list of origins of ISIS.

a reply to: Tyrion79

Fair enough my apologies.

a reply to: Xcathdra

No problem, apoligy accepted.
Sometimes I make the same mistake with others in the heat of discussion.

originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: ken10

So Turkey had no right to shoot down a plane violating its airspace?

Seriously? You do know that Turkey moved its border five miles south three years ago just to give the terrorist cover from Syrian warplanes don't you? That is Syrian land and not one nation on earth recognizes that new border.

U.S. and Russian planes stray into each others airspace all the time and that has never resulted in one plane being shot down at all. No nation on earth has ever shot down another nations fighter or bomber for staying across the line on accident for a minute let alone a few seconds. One plane is not a threat to anyone.

This was done on purpose and Turkey did it because they warned Russia to stop bombing their terrorist two days prior and so Putin accelerated the bombing of ISIS and destroyed 400 plus terrorist sites and hundreds of oil tankers in 24hrs just to give Turkey a big FU! The next day Turkey shot down the Russian bomber.

a reply to: Xcathdra

I am normally with you when Russia is in the wrong but they are right when it comes to Syria. 100 percent. Turkey is the bad guy here and in a huge way.

and KAL 007 posed no threat to soviet airspace. The Turkish recon aircraft posed no threat to Syrian airspace either.

Kind of hard to claim something the Soviets did and blame it on Russia of today. Turkish recon aircraft. It was a RC toy of a drone lol. Some Russian pilot just wanted to play target practice so Turkey did not have intell for its terrorist!!!!!!!!! Seems logical to me.

a reply to: Patriotsrevenge

Yeah not for this instance. The border is the normal border and russia violated actual turkish airspace.

No the US and Russia dont violate each others sovereign airspace.

Syria shot down a turkish jet that violated its airspace. no one bitched thats bitching now.

Turkey did it because russia violated their airspace several times in october and warned russia if it happens again the offenduing aircraft would be shot down.

a reply to: Patriotsrevenge

Actually its not considering putins background.

The point is the plane was downed for violating its airspace.

And no - Syria downed a Turkish F4 phantom for violating its airspace. An F4 phantom is not a drone.

Putin will respond: Russians feel betrayed as Turkey stabs them in the back

That is doubtful.

There is a long list of people Putin, and Russia have stabbed in the back.

Russia sure isn't one to talk about planes getting shot down.

Back to Putin worship.