Former George Bush Chief Economist Says 911 Was An Inside Job

a reply to: Shamrock6

sorry I misread as Bush Economist,if he was Labor Dept then no he wouldnt know

a reply to: yorkshirelad

P.S.

As that 'creativity' is limitless, one can see how guys working for gov't who create these scenarios, the "what-ifs" ie hi-jacked planes flying into buildings and other critical sites, it is almost a shoe-in someone had covered this possibility in a write-up amongst the almost limitless other potential scenarios....in the thousands.

One can't honor the threat potential to all of them.

Now, after the fact, someone digs up that particular scenario write-up and goes "Eureka". "They knew about it". Too easy.
That is a more credible scenario that an inside job, in my books....

That's not the same guy Cheney shot in the chest while hunting is it?

Yes, it was dicky's best friend, I now recall.

Silenced him pretty good, I would imagine.

said that Mr. Cheney, 65, fired his shotgun without realizing that Mr. Whittington had approached the group, hitting him on his right side, on his cheek, neck and chest.

a reply to: loveguy

It was in the ass. Cheney was drunk.

The guy slept on stomach for a while but was fine....

originally posted by: nwtrucker
a reply to: loveguy

It was in the ass. Cheney was drunk.

The guy slept on stomach for a while but was fine....

even if your story is true, he silenced him pretty good, huh?

As I have said many times before, follow the money. When Silverstein had invested $127 million for a $5.9 billion return, I believe this should be looked into, first! Once the major player(s) unravel, the rest will fall, too. Remember, there is no honor among thieves.

a reply to: NightFlight

When Silverstein had invested $127 million for a $5.9 billion return, I believe this should be looked into, first

Are you making this stuff up?

He agreed to a lease price of 3.2 billion.
He put up 14 million up front.
He pays 102 million per year.
Insurance paid 4.6 billion.
The clean up price ???
The rebuild price is 4.3 billion.

So where is all this windfall profit you are talking about?

Look into the Bush, UNOCAL, Taliban pipeline talks in early 2001. Taliban want to much to allow the pipeline to traverse the territory. Hmm, Afghanistan is the top of the list after 9-11.

Similar situation with Syria, pipelines and their leader.

Natural Gas Wars.

a reply to: roadgravel

UNOCAL, killed its ideas of a pipeline before Bush was President.

a reply to: cardinalfan0596

So the Taliban come to Washington to just party with Bush and oil execs...

I will make this easy for everyone, it has to be an inside job because buildings do not collapse in this way from fire ....okay...carry on .

originally posted by: UpLateWakingUp
buildings do not collapse in this way from fire .

So you missed the 2 high speed heavily loaded jet airliners hitting the buildings!

a reply to: samkent

It was believed at the time (without court documents) that Silverstein received 5.9 billion of a 20 billion insurance claim, 10 billion for each tower. Now as wikipedia states, he received $4.577 billion (through court documents) and contributed $1 billion of that to the construction of the One World Trade Center as it is now known. Silverstein still has the lease on the property and no figures were available as to what he gets yearly for the sub-lease from the NY Port authority.
From Wikipedia:

Estimated cost and funding
An estimate in February 2007 placed the initial construction cost of One World Trade Center at about $3 billion, or $1,150 per square foot ($12,380 per square meter).[117] However, the tower's total estimated construction cost had risen to $3.9 billion by April 2012, making it the most expensive building in the world at the time.[3][4] The tower's construction was partly funded by approximately $1 billion of insurance money that Silverstein received for his losses in the September 11 attacks.[117] The State of New York provided an additional $250 million, and the Port Authority agreed to give $1 billion, which would be obtained through the sale of bonds.[118] The Port Authority raised prices for bridge and tunnel tolls to raise funds, with a 56 percent toll increase scheduled between 2011 and 2015; however, the proceeds of these increases were not used to pay for the tower's construction.[4][119]

Siverstein came out smelling like rose dipped in honey.

Still there is litigation proceeding for $800 million allegedly still to be paid out by another insurer:

In March 2007, Silverstein appeared at a rally of construction workers and public officials outside an insurance industry conference. He highlighted what he describes as the failures of insurers Allianz and Royal & Sun Alliance to pay $800 million in claims related to the attacks. Insurers state that an agreement to split payments between Silverstein and the Port Authority is a cause for concern.[237]

All this is on Wikipedia. The taxpayers paid for the clean-up and Silverstein was out $1 billion. Cry me a river...

en.wikipedia.org...

a reply to: NightFlight

As I have said many times before, follow the money. When Silverstein had invested $127 million for a $5.9 billion return, I believe this should be looked into, first! Once the major player(s) unravel, the rest will fall, too. Remember, there is no honor among thieves.

Its called "LEVERAGE" = you invest small portion of total and borrow he rest from others

Most of the remainder came from GMAC (General Motor Acceptance Corp), finance arm of GM. Now known as
ALLY bank after was converted to commercial bank - run ads on TV all the time (between those for Viagra)

a reply to: NightFlight

Odd thing about Silverstein. I recently ran across some probable DISINFO regarding him on ATS. In particular, it had to do with his "I told them to pull it" statement regarding WTC 7.

About a month ago, another poster presented the argument that Silverstein was referring to a conversation he had with former FDNY Chief Daniel Nigro, and "pull it" was a reference to pulling the team of firefighters in the close vicinity to the building.

I was even presented with an 'email' statement alleged to have been issued by FDNY Chief Daniel Nigro (quoted below).

But when I looked to find where this email originated, I found it originated on a 'skeptics' forum and was only 'verified' by a moderator at the forum.

Here are some screenshots from how this alleged statement originated:





The laughable moderator verification we are all supposed to trust:


Ha! So…I guess all of this is to make the point that I believe Silverstein IS someone who should be looked at very closely. It bugs me that this alleged email has been used time and again to protect Silverstein from criticism but it's origins are shady as sh*t.

Alleged email from FDNY Chief Daniel Nigro:

FDNY Chief Daniel Nigro

Regarding WTC 7: The long-awaited US Government NIST (National Institute of Standards and Technology) report on the collapse of WTC 7 is due to be published at the end of this year (although it has been delayed already a few times [ adding fuel to the conspiracy theorists fires!]). That report should explain the cause and mechanics of the collapse in great detail. Early on the afternoon of September 11th 2001, following the collapse of WTC 1 & 2, I feared a collapse of WTC 7 (as did many on my staff).

The reasons are as follows:

1 - Although prior to that day high-rise structures had never collapsed, The collapse of WTC 1 & 2 showed that certain high-rise structures subjected to damage from impact and from fire will collapse.

2. The collapse of WTC 1 damaged portions of the lower floors of WTC 7.

3. WTC 7, we knew, was built on a small number of large columns providing an open Atrium on the lower levels.

4. numerous fires on many floors of WTC 7 burned without sufficient water supply to attack them.

For these reasons I made the decision (without consulting the owner, the mayor or anyone else - as ranking fire officer, that decision was my responsibility) to clear a collapse zone surrounding the building and to stop all activity within that zone. Approximately three hours after that order was given, WTC 7 collapsed.

Conspiracy theories abound and I believe firmly that all of them are without merit.

Regards, Dan Nigro
Chief of Department FDNY (retired)

a reply to: roadgravel

The Taliban, came to the United States at the invitation of UNOCAL in 1997, with the backing of the Clinton administration. There were no meetings with then Governor George W. Bush.

a reply to: NightFlight

I guess you've missed the issues Silverstein has been having with building the other towers due to lack of enough money.....

originally posted by: donktheclown
a reply to: BobbyFontaine

Bush's own people telling an insiders view of what he thinks happened.

Oh boy, thinks what happened....

I never entertained the idea that this was an inside job. That, to me, wasn't possible, until a well respected remote viewer said that the controls of the jets were inoperable. The planes were flying on their own, regardless of the pilot's best efforts to take control both physically (wrestling the controls) and electronically. Sure makes you think.

So the remote viewer was not only "remote viewing" but looking backwards in time to see something that doesn't actually exist now? Which expands the definition of "remote viewer" into general "psychic" in my dictionary; just people using a less pejorative term. The same as "remote viewers" who advertise they can see what the stock market will do in the future.

a reply to: MotherMayEye

Chief Nigro's statement from his official interview.

"The most important operational decision to be made that
afternoon was the collapse had damaged 7 World Trade
Center, which is about a 50 story building, at Vesey
between West Broadway and Washington Street. It had very
heavy fire on many floors and I ordered the evacuation of
an area sufficient around to protect our members, so we
had to give up some rescue operations that were going on
at the time and back the people away far enough so that if
7 World Trade did collapse, we wouldnít lose any more
people."

www.nytimes.com...

An article written by Chief Nigro for FireEngineering.com

"The biggest decision we had to make on the first day was to clear the area and create a collapse zone around the severely damaged 7 World Trade Center, a 47-story building heavily involved in fire. A number of fire officers and companies assessed the damage to the building. The appraisals indicated that the building's integrity was in serious doubt.
I issued the orders to pull back the firefighters and define the collapse zone. It was a critical decision; we could not lose any more firefighters. It took a lot of time to pull everyone out, given the emotionalism of the day, communications difficulties, and the collapse terrain."

www.fireengineering.com... ief-of-department.html

Another interview with Chief Nigro

"We saw that 7 World Trade Center was damaged by the collapse of the North Tower, and had fires burning uncontrollably. We had no chance of committing enough people to put it out , and we decided that we would stop operating for some period of time because of the danger of the collapse of 7 World Trade Center. There was at least one active rescue attempt going on for someone, who , at least at some point was heard, and was felt to be still alive. But we stopped everything and pulled everyone to a safe distance. That proved to be a good move because all forty seven stories of 7 World Trade Center came down around what 5 o’clock. And the fact that everyone was out of the way, and no one else was hurt was a small consolation at the end of the day."

www.emergencyscene.com...

From court documents involving WTC 7..

"When firefighters arrived to assess 7WTC, they found a building ravaged by the debris that careened through the air when the North Tower collapsed, with multiple active fires throughout the structure. One observer testified that he saw 10 to 15 floors where “the corner Ibeam was missing. And there were more floors that had damage throughout the front facade of the building and several floors were completely exposed.” Another testified looking at the south face of 7WTC he observed “flames, you know, broken windows, damage to the building, Ibeams sticking out, possible pieces of the plane, I thought.” First Deputy Fire Commissioner Frank P. Cruthers testified the exterior of 7WTC “looked like it had been bombarded with large, heavy objects.” Others reported structural damage to a section of the building where there were “steel columns, just hanging from its attachment to the upper floors, and there was no walls, no outside walls to that particular side of the building.” An elevator car rested in the hallway, “blown out of the elevator shaft, and it was ․ 30 or 40 feet away from where the elevator shaft once was.”
Chief of Department Peter Hayden consulted with an engineer:
We posed to him the question that considering the structural damage that was obvious to the—to the building on the southwest corner, and the amount of fire damage that was occurring within the building, could we anticipate a collapse and if so, when. He said yes and he gave an approximate time of five to six hours, which was pretty much right on the money because the building collapsed about 5 o'clock that afternoon.
Chief Daniel Nigro reported “more fire” at 7WTC on September 11 than he had “seen in [his] entire career” before the fires at the World Trade Center Towers. Both Nigro and Hayden observed fires burning on multiple floors of 7WTC. “Under normal conditions a fire starts at one floor and works its way up and you might have a few floors of fire if the fire department can't get a handle[ ] on it. It is rare that you see fires on noncontiguous floors in a high-rise.” Others reported fire “pushing out of the top floors.” Firefighter Tiernach Cassidy reported that “most of the windows were broken on the south face of the building. The entire south face of the building. And where there was a broken window, there was either smoke or fire pushing out of it.” Cassidy recalled fires across the south face of 7WTC, and while he could not recall exactly which floors appeared to have fire “it was considerable. It was—it seemed to me, I think the original time I may have said every floor. But what I could estimate at the time it was a lot of fire.”

caselaw.findlaw.com...

Whether you accept the email or not, it is pretty clear that FDNY was of the opinion that WTC 7 was going to collapse due to damage and unchecked fires.

originally posted by: donktheclown
until a well respected remote viewer said that the controls of the jets were inoperable.

Well respected by who exactly? When and where and who claimed this?