posted on Sep, 14 2015 @ 03:17 AM
a reply to: Konduit
Again, not really relevant to my point, but actually, the video points out that the catalyst for the Crusades was the the Seljuq Turks fighting and
worrying the Byzantines TOTALLY UNRELATED to anything to do with Jerusalem, which yes, had been under muslim rule for 400 years prior.
There were a several incidents of violence by the Seljuq turks in Jerusalem, but they were almost all directed towards the inhabitants of the city
(for example, slaughtering of 3000 mostly muslim rebels who had barricaded themselves in the Al-Aqsa mosque), and there is no real record of them
specifically targeting pilgrims or non-muslims or non-muslim places of worship.
The last ruler to actually have specifically antagonistic attitudes towards pilgrims to Jerusalem (or even non-muslim inhabitants of Jerusalem) was
Al-Hakim, who died in 1021, and anyhow, in his later life became much more tolerant of pilgrims and non-muslim inhabitants and structures in
Jerusalem. While the fighting between the Seljuq Turks, the Fatimid rulers (the dynasty that Al-Hakim had been a part of) and Byzantines (much more
important in terms of the genesis of the Crusades), was probably somewhat disruptive to pilgrims (although I'm not sure how much more it was than
usual, considering that area had always had fighting going on), the capture of Jerusalem in 1073/1076 AD again, had little in terms of attacks on
pilgrims or places of worship for non-muslims. Either way, the ruler responsible was rebelled against (that incident I mentioned with the 3000
inhabitants slaughtered), and then replaced, and then the Seljuq's weren't even in control of Jerusalem when the Crusaders attacked- In fact, they on
(the rare, obviously) occasion provided support to the Crusaders on their journey to Jerusalem, because it was under Fatimid control at the time.
So yeah, although again, I don't see what it has to do with what I was talking about, the video most rightly glosses over any theory about the
catalyst for the Crusades being Seljuq capture of Jerusalem (except to mention that the various atrocities mentioned by the pope in his speech were
likely made up).