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Judge upholds Arizona's 'show your papers' immigration law

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posted on Sep, 6 2015 @ 04:35 PM
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originally posted by: Phage

How do you know someone is illegal?
How many times have you been asked to provide ID while walking down the street? I never have.


Don't tell, get asked.





posted on Sep, 6 2015 @ 04:35 PM
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a reply to: Phage



How do you know someone is illegal?


They aren't white.

They may not be willing to admit it, but that's how it's done.



posted on Sep, 6 2015 @ 04:36 PM
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a reply to: neo96




Who really cares .

Someone who has been put in jail because they didn't have ID on their person.



After all thats why it's perfectly acceptable to ask ID to buy a gun.
Yes, it is. Also it is acceptable to ask for ID to prove that you are of legal age to drink.



posted on Sep, 6 2015 @ 04:41 PM
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Sounds like Nazi Germany to me.
I thought the USA was the land of the free?.
Funny how the posters who are normally for freedom and rights are the ones welcoming it isn't it?.



posted on Sep, 6 2015 @ 04:41 PM
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originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: onthedownlow




I have to show my license and registration and insurance if I am stopped.

How about if you're walking down the street?


My understanding is that this pertains to traffic stops, but yes, any law enforcement stop generated by reasonable suspicion would require me to give my name and proof of identity if necessary.



posted on Sep, 6 2015 @ 04:43 PM
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Someone who has been put in jail because they didn't have ID on their person.


What a shame all they had to do was obey the law and enter this country legally, and one would have been provided..




Yes, it is. Also it is acceptable to ask for ID to prove that you are of legal age to drink


Who said anything about drinking ?

Are there many contttutional protections extending to it ?

Like a federal back ground check to see if your allow by the state to possess a bottle ?

Like federal laws that say how much booze can come out for a drink ?

Like having to wait months for a suppressor to make them sips more quiet ?

I don't think so.



posted on Sep, 6 2015 @ 04:43 PM
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a reply to: onthedownlow

My understanding is that this pertains to traffic stops,
It doesn't.




any law enforcement stop generated by reasonable suspicion would require me to give my name and proof of identity if necessary.

Looking Mexican would be reasonable suspicion?
And you can be jailed if you don't have it on you?

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posted on Sep, 6 2015 @ 04:43 PM
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originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: Phage



How do you know someone is illegal?


They aren't white.

They may not be willing to admit it, but that's how it's done.


That is the most bigoted and offensive remarks yet.

Another preacher of the "White Guilt". Guess what, that's low even for you.

Only a racist would think like that. I am disgusted that you judge by skin color.
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posted on Sep, 6 2015 @ 04:45 PM
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a reply to: whyamIhere

Wouldn't it be people with brown skin or that look Mexican that would be effected the most, correct? That's what started this entire issue to begin with....racial profiling.

This just allows that to potentially continue.

Do you deny that?

Nice try trying to label me a racist though.
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posted on Sep, 6 2015 @ 04:46 PM
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a reply to: neo96




What a shame all they had to do was obey the law and enter this country legally, and one would have been provided..

So I guess I do need to walk around with my birth certificate in my pocket.


Are there many contttutional protections extending to it ?
The 18th amendment was repealed because, it seems, the consumption of alcohol is a Constitutional right.



posted on Sep, 6 2015 @ 04:48 PM
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originally posted by: boymonkey74
Sounds like Nazi Germany to me.
I thought the USA was the land of the free?.
Funny how the posters who are normally for freedom and rights are the ones welcoming it isn't it?.


Give it 6 months and let us ignorant Americans know how things are going in the EU! Do you not think that those who created these wars are the same ones who are TELLING you what is the right thing to do?



posted on Sep, 6 2015 @ 04:48 PM
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a reply to: Phage
Rediculous! The 4th? Amendment protects us from illegal search and seizure. You are implying that it is illegal to be Hispanic.
Edit to add. No, I can not be arrested for not having my license on my person in a non-traffic related stop, but I can be for failing to identify myself or giving a fictitious name

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posted on Sep, 6 2015 @ 04:50 PM
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originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: whyamIhere

Wouldn't it be people with brown skin or that look Mexican that would be effected the most, correct? That's what started this entire issue to begin with....racial profiling.

This just allows that to potentially continue.

Do you deny that?

Nice try trying to label me a racist though.


I certainly do deny it. It's against the law #1

What's the matter, you don't like people twisting your words ?

You have done that to me on every post.

I can't believe you advocate judging people by skin color.



posted on Sep, 6 2015 @ 04:51 PM
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So I guess I do need to walk around with my birth certificate in my pocket.


I keep see that mentioned.

By law everyone already has ID on them when they get in a car, open up a bank account, and everything we do.

Yeah having ID is really such a 'hassle'.




The 18th amendment was repealed because, it seems, the consumption of alcohol is a Constitutional right.


Sure it wasn't about the FEDERAL state losing billions in TAXATION, and other fees.


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posted on Sep, 6 2015 @ 04:52 PM
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We didn't want compulsory ID cards and so we don't have them despite our government wanting us to have them.
I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy from some members here who bleat freedom but only when it suits them.
Wouldn't ID cards and police asking for them break the right to move freely thing in the constitution?.
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posted on Sep, 6 2015 @ 04:55 PM
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By law everyone already has ID on them when they get in a car, open up a bank account, and everything we do.
To drive a car, yes. Open a bank account, can you cite that law please?


Yeah having ID is really such a 'hassle'.
So is illegal search.



posted on Sep, 6 2015 @ 04:55 PM
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originally posted by: boymonkey74
a reply to: seeker1963

We didn't want compulsory ID cards and so we don't have them despite our government wanting us to have them.
I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy from some members here who bleat freedom but only when it suits them.


And yet under FDR every single American was branded like cattle with the social security card.

But that was ALSO perfectly acceptable.

And right back to where we began, God forbid ANYONE asking an illegal for ID.



posted on Sep, 6 2015 @ 04:56 PM
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a reply to: Phage

Can you answer my question about the right to move freely?.
Would ID cards and police stopping people break this right?.



posted on Sep, 6 2015 @ 04:59 PM
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a reply to: neo96

So you would want compulsory ID's and the police able to stop anyone legal or not to demand those papers?.



posted on Sep, 6 2015 @ 05:01 PM
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And yet under FDR every single American was branded like cattle with the social security card.
I don't carry one.


God forbid ANYONE asking an illegal for ID.
Right, right back to: how do you know he's an illegal?

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