Judge upholds Arizona's 'show your papers' immigration law

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: xuenchen

Somebody already answered that.

What was the answer?

Well I forget.

But maybe Stop and identify statutes

originally posted by: boymonkey74
a reply to: xuenchen

No it isn't moot at all.
Do you have to carry one of these at all times? nope.
So can you answer my question or not?
Yes or no?.

Frustrating isn't it.

a reply to: xuenchen

Yes when people can't answer a simple question.
Instead they including yourself attempt to deflect and dodge the question...
Gonna keep on asking because all I see are lots of hypocrites who only want freedom when it is their own freedom but screw anyone elses.
You going to answer or not?.

a reply to: xuenchen

Frustrating isn't it.

You used to frustrate me.
I got used to your style though. Now it just strikes me as silly.

Am I wrong in saying the Constitution has something in saying you can travel freely?.

en.wikipedia.org...


Wouldn't mandatory ID cards and stop checks go against this?
I dunno would love someone to help me with this.

originally posted by: boymonkey74
a reply to: xuenchen

Yes when people can't answer a simple question.
Instead they including yourself attempt to deflect and dodge the question...
Gonna keep on asking because all I see are lots of hypocrites who only want freedom when it is their own freedom but screw anyone elses.
You going to answer or not?.

I will rely on my 5th Amendment rights.

Old Benjamin Franklin said it best:

”Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both.”

:-)

a reply to: xuenchen

I understand what phage meant...

I want an ID card...

San Diego has been invaded. My kids classes are half illegals.

Each lesson must be given in both languages.

I am not for rounding up people.

But, we have the right to know who's in this Country.

No mass deportations unless they committed a Felony.

If we helped their Countries get some jobs.

They wouldn't even want to come here. They just want to eat.

My problem is or Country giving billions to Immigration.

Only to have the criminal back in America before his shift is over.

a reply to: whyamIhere

See folks someone can answer my question.
Well done dude.
You have the balls to say it.
Pity others just dodged the question eh?.

Would love someone to teach me about the constitution and the freedom of moving freely though.

originally posted by: boymonkey74
Am I wrong in saying the Constitution has something in saying you can travel freely?.

en.wikipedia.org...


Wouldn't mandatory ID cards and stop checks go against this?
I dunno would love someone to help me with this.

It's only against the constitution if it's done to white people. When it is done to other races it's perfectly legal.

a reply to: whyamIhere

Each lesson must be given in both languages.

America doesn't have an official language that is why other languages are taught.

If we helped their Countries get some jobs.

We do that already just ask your boy Trump he has created lots of jobs in Mexico, China and other places.

a reply to: yuppa

People have no idea how it feels to have your identity stolen unless it hits you directly, due to the fact that SS from citizens from PR are in high demand because we are latinos but with US born citizenships we have become a big target.

During the year that it took me to prove my "innocence" I was treated as the criminal while the thief was the victim was persecuted by the IRS and government agencies, I was forced to forfeit my privacy in order to prove my identity, while the thief was able to use my SS, obtain loans and live as me with not problems to his real identify as he was using mine, on top of that he was a male and I am a female.

Yes it was a nightmare and I still until this day feel violated.

a reply to: Sremmos80

Why in the world you call me a libertarian where in ATS I every told I am one.

BTW I didn't got my ID stolen I got my life stolen and had money taken from me to pay for somebody else spending that he did in a span of 10 years.

originally posted by: buster2010

originally posted by: boymonkey74
Am I wrong in saying the Constitution has something in saying you can travel freely?.

en.wikipedia.org...


Wouldn't mandatory ID cards and stop checks go against this?
I dunno would love someone to help me with this.

It's only against the constitution if it's done to white people. When it is done to other races it's perfectly legal.

Its against it no matter your race or creed to restrict your free movement. That dont stop cops from roadblock ID checks or randomly asking for your ID on th e street if you are in a shady neighboorhood.

a reply to: xuenchen

Which means you are guilty

Your own words, we can all go to the thread about hillary's aid anf him pleading so about the server ans see it.

a reply to: marg6043

And you are just as likely to have it done by a citizen... i am really sorry that it happened to you but it isn't like ID theft is an exclusive illegal thing. Also how does this law stop it from happening? If anything this law will make them do it more.

originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: whyamIhere

So just erode more freedoms right?

You know first they came for the illegals and all that jazz.

You have the right to be mad, but at least get mad at the right people. Corporate welfare cost you way more then these people escaping a nation that WE destroyed.

We are not even being invaded, that is just some buzz word thrown around.

a reply to: neo96



Cool guess your done complaining about guns then.

Since we need the papers to function, you should have ZERO issue with the laws he have.

And what freedoms are being eroded by removing illegal aliens, except the freedom of aliens to be here illegally?

Maybe corporate welfare cost us more, maybe it didn't. But if it did, is that an excuse to ignore the other? Why do you think WE destroyed the nation illegal aliens are coming from? We get illegals from just about everywhere. Come on S, you sound like we destroyed every nation on earth and deserve to be inundated with their escapees.

Invaded is not a buzzword, it is a fact.

invade (ɪnˈveɪd) vb
1. (Military) to enter (a country, territory, etc) by military force
2. (tr) to occupy in large numbers; overrun; infest
3. (tr) to trespass or encroach upon (privacy, etc)
4. (tr) to enter and spread throughout, esp harmfully; pervade
5. (Botany) (of plants, esp weeds) to become established in (a place to which they are not native)

Oh no...I used the dictionary again...lets see how long this definition lasts...


The 4th refers to unreasonable searches. Why is showing an ID unreasonable? Especially if you are doing something like buying age restricted products, or participating in any act that would require verification of identity such as voting, or purchasing firearms.

a reply to: Vroomfondel

Why is showing an ID unreasonable?

It isn't, really.

How is being detained for not carrying an ID Constitutional?

a reply to: Vroomfondel

When you pass laws like this, that need to step on rights of citizens you are eroding rights.
This doesn't just go after illegals, cops can't know before hand.
It is the how they are going about this that is eroding, not the why.
I say we destroyed South America because we have been involved with the drug trade that has empowered the cartels to corrupt that nation.
I am not saying we need to ignore anything, but corporate welfare does more damage but gets less attention, so lets focus on the real problem. But they keep us busy fighting about people coming over to pick our crops.
www.theguardian.com...

Invaded is a buzzword, unless you can show they are coming over with the intention to take over, or overrun.
They are not, just coming for a better life.
You know like the Statue of Liberty talks about.

It is not reasonable for a cop to just come up and ask you to show your ID, that is against the 4th, period.

The others are not searches like that.