Arctic Death Spiral and the Methane Time Bomb

a reply to: MamaJ

Well pretend the "greedy politics" is not holding you back... where would you start?

We are putting our heads together, that is what a forum is.

a reply to: kykweer

Well, if we are pretending then lets pretend there isn't greedy sticky fingers and we began working on the problem years ago. I mean... why would we pretend anything.. wasting time. We have done enough of that.

For Sh$#@ and giggles....

LIFESTYLE CHANGES.. Changing the way we live day to day. It requires sacrifice!

No Arctic Drilling...Jets not flying over or near the Arctic

Preventing soot.. black/brown carbon

China has a huge interest in the area... may be worth fighting over..

The link below is really interesting. It makes me wonder if "they" are enabling to melt? Why? So much money to be made!!!!

digitalcommons.lmu.edu...

The amount of untapped oil and gas as well as natural
resources in the Arctic. A total of seventeen surveyed sites found that
there could be up to 90 billion barrels of undiscovered oil in the Arctic,
which would amount to 13% of the world’s undiscovered reserves.
Moreover, as to natural gas, it is estimated that there is around 47.3
trillion cubic meters of gas and 44 billion barrels of liquefied petroleum
gas in the Arctic.

a reply to: MamaJ

Great thread and a worthy topic MamaJ, but human nature being what it is, most politicians and people for that matter typically do not make such drastic changes unless there is a crisis. However, by the time there is a crisis, even more than is manifesting now, it may be too late.

Soooo, how about trying to change human nature then?

The Ego loves to enhance itself and make others into enemies with the core goal of creating "separation".

One way it enhances itself is by attachment to things and attachment to ideas.

Attachment to things is what is ruining the world - overconsumption of resources, non-sustainable consumption, resource imbalance and resource hoarding - too many people buy useless stuff, and about 1/6 of the population has the resources to feed and clothe the other 5/6 with much left over - much that does not need to be mined, cut-down, grown, manufactured, distributed, marketed, sold - with the concomitant reduction in energy use.

Ego is actually at fault, the ego loves to want, but is rarely satisfied with having. So our out of control consumerism is the fault of the ego - but ego is unconscious to most people are not aware of it.

Make consciousness and minimization of the ego your practice (everyone).

Try to recognize different forms of ego within yourself, such as buying new things that you don't really need but is just the egos sneaky way of trying to enhance itself. There are many other ways to bring your ego into consciousness such as acceptance of what is, recognizing judgement -but those are topics for others threads.

Just recognize your ego at work - don't judge it for that is just more ego. The simple process of recognizing your ego brings it into consciousness and then it is no longer ego - it is just an old conditioned thought pattern.

So, IMHO, minimization of the ego and developing consciousness are the solution - but how to convince the world of this? Live it and teach it to others who are ready - that is all you can do.

BTW these thoughts didn't just arise in me, but come from that great teacher Echart Tolle and found in his books "A New Earth, Awakening to your life's purpose", or "The Power of Now".

Namaste

a reply to: PlanetXisHERE

That book sounds good... will have to read it, thank you.

So, IMHO, minimization of the ego and developing consciousness are the solution - but how to convince the world of this? Live it and teach it to others who are ready - that is all you can do.

All change begins within and then it manifests to the outside world. I wish we could live in a world such as you described.

originally posted by: MamaJ
a reply to: PlanetXisHERE

That book sounds good... will have to read it, thank you.

So, IMHO, minimization of the ego and developing consciousness are the solution - but how to convince the world of this? Live it and teach it to others who are ready - that is all you can do.

All change begins within and then it manifests to the outside world. I wish we could live in a world such as you described.

You are a caring, compassionate and awake being. Sometimes it is frustrating for those such as yourself, and myself, to live in such a world.

Some say the duality is necessary so we will appreciate the light and know the dark is not aligned with the truth of the universe, but I don't know, I think I always knew that and did not need the duality.

Some say the age is ending and we need to make it through just a few more spiritual lessons which will usher in an amazing new world.........IDK

a reply to: PlanetXisHERE

Whether it be while my heart beats or when it stops... I know there will be light at the end of the tunnel.

The only way to correct it is a huge crisis whereas the authorities across the globe lose all control.

We need to RE-GROUP.

a reply to: PlanetXisHERE

Some say the duality is necessary so we will appreciate the light and know the dark is not aligned with the truth of the universe, but I don't know, I think I always knew that and did not need the duality.

The Dalai Lama was once asked by a reporter his feelings about China invading Tibet, Dalai Lama answered very good. The surprized reporter asked how can you feel very good about it. Dalai Lama answered, how can one learn true forgiveness if not tested to the extreme. But added, now that I understood forgiveness, China can leave Tibet.

So we cannot understand forgiveness until someone else has stolen everything in the world that we consider important. Recently I was lucky enough to learn forgiveness as well.

Something else that may be a cause for Arctic Melt..

This finally explained how tiny shifts in the Earth's orbit could set the timing of the enormous swings of glacial cycles.

The changing Sun has been drastically altering the climate for thousands of years.

www.aip.org...

It's not just man made... it's a cycle however we can understand these cycles more and more as we come to grips with all the possibilities for climate changing and the causes.

Earthquakes come to mind... changing of the air strips as the magnetic North moved. Any shift in orbit can change glacial cycles.

I agree that this is an important topic and an extremely serious issue.. however, short of putting a giant plastic bag over the arctic and capturing the gas before it reaches the atmosphere, I don't know what can be done? There are methane eating microbes out there, but I do not know if they can live in soil or mud that is not submerged..
Like Phage said..we may get lucky and buy ourselves some time, or we may get blasted with a sudden and massive methane release that we cannot recover from. While I am usually cynical about the human race, I believe we can do amazing things when we decide to work together- who knows, maybe we can just pull this out of the fire in time.

a reply to: MamaJ

I'm sorry, but the moment I saw www.bibliotecapleyades.net there was not enough grains of salt to sway me.

this reminds me of the 1996 movie "the arrival"....it's about aliens disguised as humans working to change the atmosphere enough so that the human population dies off by (supposed man-made) pollution. it starred Ron Silver (evil disguised alien) and Charlie Sheen (good human)....

a reply to: MamaJ

Fabulous MamaJ, you are one of my favorite OP's. No time to watch video right now, so reply back to me so when I do come back I can find this thread to watch the vid.


HUGS LOVE

One quick thing, the fact that our Ocean and all related Aquatic life is in great and eminent peril, is one of the most concerning and heartfelt worries for our shared planet and our existence as a whole imho.

Deeply and gravely concerns me.

Sometimes the mind wanders and attempts to see the world as it really is. We have evidence of numerous extinction events. and while there was near total loss at times, there were animals and humans in the thousands still able to rebuild. Less of the history has been pleasant than the combined total of good and bad. Each has had it's time. Opportunity abounded for either in every instance. Had war and hate not wasted so much time, perhaps humanity would be in the Stars as we speak. The time needed to discover tech to achieve one's goal could have happened by the time it became too late for our earth. In other words, we would graduate, rather than decline. Be able to populate new worlds. Seems, this time around, we wasted too much time on wars.

How many generations does it take to reach the stars...?

a reply to: antar

Oh how sweet. Thank you so much.

Greed cannot last forever. We have heard of the cycles, migration of people and animals but we are about to experience it.

I have read articles about their plan to explore the arctic and research heavily.

All major players include but not limited to are US, Russia, China, Japan, Canada and so on....

There was a thread on ATS yesterday whereas different members were discussing Chinas ships in the Bering Sea and it's clear people are not informed and have it all twisted. They would rather us think they are enemies rather than working together. We aren't at each others throats... YET! The EU is the only one that keeps asking for Observer status in the Arctic and why they continue to tell them no is extremely odd to me.

They are so ready for the ice to melt which makes me think they aren't doing anything to prevent ice melt. They welcome it.

a reply to: MamaJ

WEll you and I both were on the whole BP spill back then, and we knew screaming from the roof tops that the POTUS as well as the entire system at that time turned a blind eye to the long range effects. I suppose that was the ecological tipping point for all life on the planet from irresponsible and erratic stewardship.

This planet has been blessed and humanity does not accept the light and love of Christ Consciousness we have been given. Without the full acceptance of light we are doomed to darkness. We are only as strong as our most vulnerable. We are all each and everyone of us responsible at the end of the day. Makes me sick to lumped together with the worst of my brethren.

a reply to: antar

Oh yeah, I totally agree.

Not only did the oil spill create a tipping point, so has messing with the Arctic. My opinion of course.

Man made -- breaking ice and helping it melt isn't a good idea and then "they" want to make like its for researching the climate and blah, blah, blah.

Example below... This is from 2012 however if I search for older articles I will find them.

A press release on Chinese National Antarctic Research Expedition (CHINARE)’s website states that scientists will research sea ice in and around the Bering Sea, Bering Strait, Chukchi Sea, Beaufort Sea, Canada Basin, and the Mendeleev Ridge.

After traversing through the Arctic Ocean, Xue Long will sail to Iceland for a five-day research visit.

www.adn.com...

Other "news" sources may say we are scrambling for dibs on the Arctic when in fact these same Countries they are talking about have been working together to exploit the resources and minerals all the while acting like they have good intentions or we are at odds with these countries. They are all liars and do not care about any life forms, not even our living planet we call home.

“The Arctic is one of our planet’s last great frontiers,” Mr. Obama declared

www.nytimes.com...

Reading this and knowing the elite love $$ over life... this below is troubling to me.

Changes in ice levels and temperature will probably have other, broader effects too.

For many businesses, a changing Arctic is good news, not bad.

New shipping routes will be created, with routes able to run undisrupted through the summer by the time post-2040 predicted ice-free summers hit, said Jeff Key at NOAA’s Satellite and Information Service’s center for satellite applications and research. Two such routes have already been created.

No ice also means oil and gas exploration teams will have a much easier time, both in terms of access and period spent exploring, Farley said.

But for people – as well as animals – on the ground, the potential effects are troubling. The effect of ships moving through the northern area of the globe at a much greater rate will be undoubtedly disruptive for sea life.

There is currently no infrastructure in place to handle accidents along shipping routes, Farley said, including oil spills.

www.climatecentral.org...

It's a no brainer what they are really up to and it's also easy to predict the future.

Wars are REALLY over resources and or trade routes.

Another oil spill and then what?

China is from what I understand a key player because they have invested more time and money than anyone else.

Something goes array and guess what? All hell breaks loose.

Also, in regards to methane and natural gas, etc...

This is a good read for anyone wanting to know how methane is being released and what other scientists have to say about our "climate change" and the possible "Runaway".

This isn't just doom ... this is our reality and it will get worse.

Below are a few quotes to help entice reading the material linked.

Failure to address leak-prone pipes could have environmental consequences. According to Bill McKibben, a prominent environmentalist, methane released from unburned natural gas is 20 to 100 times as potent a greenhouse gas as carbon dioxide. If more than 2 to 3 percent of gas escapes into the atmosphere from the point of extraction to its final destination, natural gas can do significant damage to the climate. In New York City, 1.5 percent of National Grid’s gas is unaccounted for and 2.2 percent of gas entering Con Edison’s mains and service pipes—only the final stage in the extraction-transmission-distribution process—did not reach a final customer in 2012.

Furthermore, AMEG claims: “If methane release from Arctic sea floor hydrates happens on a large scale… then this situation can start an uncontrollable sequence of events that would make world agriculture and civilization unsustainable. It is a responsible alarm, not alarmist, to say that it is a real threat to the survival of humanity and most life on Earth.”

Down Under, Carlos Duarte, PhD, Director, Oceans Institute, University of Western Australia, who was awarded the Prix d’Excellence by the International Council for the Exploration of the Sea, claims that the “future of human kind face dire consequences due to arguably the first signs of dangerous climate change in the Arctic…” Arctic Scientist Warns of Dangerous Climate Change, University News, The University of Western Australia, Jan. 30, 2012.

originally posted by: MamaJ

I had to bring this to you guys in order to get opinions regarding our upcoming extinction.

I guess the big question is how much do humans have on the warming of the planet, and how much is a natural occurrence? People seem to never address the fact that we were in a mini ice age until the mid 1800s or so. The 1500, 1600 and 1700s were very brutal in America. The Hudson use to freeze over and was used as a form of commerce, as example.

There will be upheavals in the Arctic and in the Antarctic that will make for the eruption of volcanoes in the torrid areas, and there will then be the shifting of the poles so that where there have been those of a frigid or semi-tropical will become the more tropical, and moss and fern will grow.

You had me until "shifting of poles"... Yes, they will shift one day, but temperature/ice has little to do with it, and it would not mean extinction.

The earth will be broken up in many places. The early part will see a change in the physical aspect of the west coast of America. There will be open waters appear in the northern portions of Greenland.

There will be new lands seen off the Caribbean Sea, and dry land will appear. South America will be shaken from the uppermost portion to the end, and in the Antarctic off Tierra Del Fuego, land and a strait with rushing

Doom porn at it's best with nothing backing it. Might as well be Nostradamus... Huge methane pockets are troubling and we do not know how they will act.

Tell me your thoughts!

Better get going on the 3 billion Chinese and Indians that seem to have zero control/concern on what they do environmentally wise...