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Donald Trump’s immigration tab: $166 billion

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posted on Aug, 19 2015 @ 06:56 AM
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Conservative spending?


The mogul’s plan has galvanized the right, but he doesn’t mention that deporting illegal immigrants would cost a pretty penny.

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I don't imagine that it will be his money he's spending, do you?




In fiscal 2014, the federal government spent about $2.79 billion for detention and removal operations, so a force three times the current size would cost about $8.4 billion per year.
Trump says he’d pay for this by revoking some tax credit payments that are funneled to immigrants here illegally — a proposal that’s been floated before by congressional Republicans.
Walling off the southern border: At least $5.1 billion, plus annual maintenance
Another expensive plank in Trump’s immigration plan is building an impenetrable “permanent border wall” along the southern border — and making Mexico pay for it.

Yes, I'm absolutely certain Mexico is going to pony up the money because he says so.

ETA: For the derailers...THIS IS ASIDE FROM THE WALL.

Mass deportation: $141.3 billion
While it’s not explicitly outlined in Trump’s six-page immigration proposal, he has repeatedly pushed for deporting all 11 million immigrants here illegally — and then letting the “good ones” come back. (Trump’s plan does call for “mandatory return of all criminal aliens,” but that could mean both legal and illegal immigrants.)
In January 2011, Kumar Kibble — then the deputy director of Immigration and Customs Enforcement — told lawmakers that it costs about $12,500 to deport one immigrant from the United States. Multiply that by 11.3 million — the size of the undocumented population in 2014, according to the Pew Research Center — and you get $141.3 billion.
The liberal Center for American Progress pegs the per-person rate a little lower, at $10,070 – giving Trump’s deportation plan a bit of a discount, at $114 billion.
But there are bigger enforcement costs to consider beyond actual deportation. In a March report, the American Action Forum projected that it would cost $419.6 billion to $619.4 billion to deport everyone here illegally — tallying not just the price for removing one person, but the enforcement costs to prevent future illegal immigration. And deporting all 11 million undocumented immigrants would take about two decades, according to the AAF.


This Is How Much Donald Trump’s Immigration Plan Would Cost America if Mexico Doesn’t Pick Up the Tab.

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posted on Aug, 19 2015 @ 07:04 AM
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Let's not forget that Obama spent over 787 Billion on the stimulus in 2009 and has blown over 800 Billion on Afghanistan.



posted on Aug, 19 2015 @ 07:05 AM
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posted on Aug, 19 2015 @ 07:06 AM
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posted on Aug, 19 2015 @ 07:06 AM
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a reply to: ~Lucidity

Basically that if you are suddenly against spending, you can't also be for all the recent spending this past administration has done. Compared to that, this is a tiny price tag.


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posted on Aug, 19 2015 @ 07:06 AM
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a reply to: ~Lucidity

It's bizarre that there are people who support this loon, and not only do they support him, they think he's going to CHANGE things for the better. Your political cartoon is SPOT on. The GOP created that monster. The only thing they are missing is that he should be destroying the GOP, because he is going to make them unelectable to the independents and any on the fence liberals.



posted on Aug, 19 2015 @ 07:07 AM
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I don't imagine that it will be his money he's spending, do you?


Take a look into his business practices, he has never spent his own money. He racks up huge personal spending allowances with business projects, when they tank he gets the companies to file bankruptcy, lenders take their losses and keep support trying to mitigate how bad it is under the condition that Donald is removed from an ownership stake in the company, or removed as CEO, or removed from the board.

Although one time he got to stay on as a figurehead CEO, he just wasn't allowed to make any decisions at all. Basically the same as a kid working in the mailroom.

This is the guy that thinks bankruptcy is smart business. Someone should inform Warren Buffet. For some reason his company's stock is worth $200k a share... a share. And he doesnt have to run around his business ventures as a persona non grata.



posted on Aug, 19 2015 @ 07:08 AM
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a reply to: Krazysh0t

I know, right? And he's so delusional as to think he's going to also win the Latino vote. Ummm polls show quite the opposite...to the tune of 75% wouldn't vote for him if he was the only candidate standing.



posted on Aug, 19 2015 @ 07:08 AM
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a reply to: ~Lucidity

Because you talk about "conservative spending" but Obama has added more to our national debt than every SINGLE president before him combined. The guy flys his dogs on separate planes to vacation, so democrats aren't exactly a shining beacon of fiscal responsibility.



posted on Aug, 19 2015 @ 07:09 AM
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Who said I support him?

I'm just laughing at the sudden about face. All of a sudden ... spending is once again "the devil" because a candidate you don't like is all for it in terms of an agenda you don't like.

Let's be plain and honest, it's not the spending - it's the idea of being anti-illegal that you guys don't like. Tackle that instead of trying to cry about spending. You have no leg to stand on there.



posted on Aug, 19 2015 @ 07:10 AM
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a reply to: boncho

Fast and loose with other peoples' money. Yes...perfect presidential material.

The Documentary Donald Trump Didn't Want You to See



posted on Aug, 19 2015 @ 07:11 AM
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originally posted by: avgguy
a reply to: ~Lucidity

Because you talk about "conservative spending" but Obama has added more to our national debt than every SINGLE president before him combined. The guy flys his dogs on separate planes to vacation, so democrats aren't exactly a shining beacon of fiscal responsibility.

The fact that I mentioned conservative spending in relation to this topic on Trump and the costs of his immigration plan does not open this topic up to your agenda.

Got any actual comments on the actual topic? As in the feasibility of the plan? As in his plan on paying this tab?
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posted on Aug, 19 2015 @ 07:13 AM
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Do you understand negotiating and leverage?

The Donald certainly does, as he has written the literal book on the subject.

Now you have to ask yourself, what does Mexico provide to us and on the same hand what benefits does the United States provide to Mexico.

If we lost touch with Mexico and treated them like Cuba, it would hurt them FAAAAAARRRR more then it would hurt us. The only real thing we even want from mexico is cheap labor and about 20 years ago we solved that by outsourcing the cheap labor to China and India.

So basically Donald is saying if Mexico wants to keep living the high life off our backs and efforts then they need to pony up and help fix this problem. They dont have much else to offer, so at least they can build us a darn wall if they want our aid, economic power, and money. If not, then those resources dry up for them.

Then its either you play ball or you are out to dry. At that point we build our own wall and basically exile Mexico and let them deteriorate. So yeah, they would build the wall.

Another part of negotiating that you may have missed, is that in any deal making situation, and believe me, Donald is ALL about the deal, you have to start somewhere. He threw down the gauntlet first with terms saying that Mexico will build and pay for it, now Mexico will likely counter-offer, and if they have any actual leverage, it may stick. In that case, we the people still came out ahead because we still didnt have to foot the entire bill for this thing, and thats Donalds ideology and way of thinking. Why pay 100% for something right off the top, always try to negotiate and get a better price/deal, that is all he is doing here, and its a mostly win situation for us, not so much for Mexico. Guess they should have focused on becoming the dominating world power and having something of real value behind them.



posted on Aug, 19 2015 @ 07:14 AM
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He'll negotiate a deal to get Mexico to pay for the wall when pigs fly.

Mexico Shuts Down Trump’s Fantasy About Them Paying for Border Wall

Well, now the Mexican government has spoken and their message is: Not so fast.

“Of course it’s false,” Eduardo Sanchez, a spokesperson for Mexican President Enrique Pena Nieto told Bloomberg in an interview last night. “It reflects an enormous ignorance for what Mexico represents, and also the irresponsibility of the candidate who’s saying it.”

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posted on Aug, 19 2015 @ 07:14 AM
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originally posted by: ~Lucidity
a reply to: boncho

Fast and loose with other peoples' money. Yes...perfect presidential material.

The Documentary Donald Trump Didn't Want You to See


And Obama was no different. I wonder how many times you voted for him?



Wonder where all that stimulus money went because it sure didn't go to shovel ready jobs. Obama thought that was funny. It's like Hillary's snapchat joke.
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posted on Aug, 19 2015 @ 07:15 AM
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a reply to: ~Lucidity

I have no agenda, but 100 billion is nothing if you compare it to the current administrations spending habits.



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posted on Aug, 19 2015 @ 07:18 AM
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originally posted by: avgguy
a reply to: ~Lucidity

I have no agenda, but 100 billion is nothing if you compare it to the current administrations spending habits.


It's $166B and that's a conservative estimate. And that's nothing?



posted on Aug, 19 2015 @ 07:18 AM
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originally posted by: ~Lucidity
a reply to: phishfriar47

He'll negotiate a deal to get Mexico to pay for the wall when pigs fly.

Mexico Shuts Down Trump’s Fantasy About Them Paying for Border Wall

Well, now the Mexican government has spoken and their message is: Not so fast.

“Of course it’s false,” Eduardo Sanchez, a spokesperson for Mexican President Enrique Pena Nieto told Bloomberg in an interview last night. “It reflects an enormous ignorance for what Mexico represents, and also the irresponsibility of the candidate who’s saying it.”


It may not impossible. The Mexicans cooperated with Eisenhower for Operation Wetback in the '50s. That would be the last time we actively deported the illegals.

If the deal changes from the one Mexico has today where they can export their workforce who then sends all kinds of money back home to fuel the Mexican economy, they may want those workers home again.




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