I believe fake gay people exist.

a reply to: samerulesapply

If peer pressure and a need to fit in determined a person's sexuality, every single person in the western world would be straight and in lock-step with the made-up behaviors assigned to the genitalia they were born with.

There are no social advantages to being discriminated against, ostracized, threatened, and assaulted due to your very existence. I have a hard time imagining a person choosing to be targeted just for the hell of it.

Rofl...to be honest I kinda was preparing to be hung, drawn and quartered for having composed such a thread as it's rather tongue in cheek.

But some of you are pretty funny...I honestly hope I haven't offended anyone. Of course there are fakes, it's no big deal.

I think people are ignoring that there is a lot of homosexual activity in prison.

Minus the rape, some of that is a choice.

Or were they all just in the closet???


Basically people experiment all the time.
A minority for sure, but not impossible.

Of course every aspect of our personality is influenced by people, events, and language systems.

Lets be careful here, using terms like "real" and "fake". We're talking about people here, and they get to define themselves.

If you're really interested in these ideas, (preformative selves, sexual frameworks, identity theory) people have been writing about them for a long time. Check out Judith Butler or Elizabeth Povinelli, even Foucault for closer analysis.

What "unconventional lifestyle" do you live, might I inquire?

originally posted by: Cuervo
a reply to: samerulesapply

If peer pressure and a need to fit in determined a person's sexuality, every single person in the western world would be straight and in lock-step with the made-up behaviors assigned to the genitalia they were born with.

There are no social advantages to being discriminated against, ostracized, threatened, and assaulted due to your very existence. I have a hard time imagining a person choosing to be targeted just for the hell of it.

That's fair to say Cuervo buddy, but at the same time I think where people reside & their social circles plays a big part.

I don't currently know any gay people, but I also don't know any outwardly homophobic people either.
And I know quite a few people.

a reply to: Cuervo

I wouldn't say that, I remember even Eastenders had a homosexual couple and that was way back in like the 90's...wasn't there a few homosexual story lines in grange hill, also?

That's had to be late 80's, early 90's. Freddie Mercury in a pink pinafore...vacuuming and singing I want to break free.

I was there.

originally posted by: Cuervo
a reply to: samerulesapply

If peer pressure and a need to fit in determined a person's sexuality, every single person in the western world would be straight and in lock-step with the made-up behaviors assigned to the genitalia they were born with.

There are no social advantages to being discriminated against, ostracized, threatened, and assaulted due to your very existence. I have a hard time imagining a person choosing to be targeted just for the hell of it.

This needs to be repeated, thank you

a reply to: tAcAnAvAn

Aaach, there are real and fake people in all walks of life, why should one be more special than any other?

If someone like Nicole ritchie went to some african village and posed for pictures holding a starving child we'd all call her fake, I certainly would.

Fake folks is fake folks...there's much worse things we can call people.

a reply to: kenzohattori69

We saw the gay porn on your iPhone!

We have fake black NAACP members why not fake homos?

Why rant about it regardless?

originally posted by: samerulesapply
a reply to: tAcAnAvAn

Aaach, there are real and fake people in all walks of life, why should one be more special than any other?

If someone like Nicole ritchie went to some african village and posed for pictures holding a starving child we'd all call her fake, I certainly would.

Fake folks is fake folks...there's much worse things we can call people.

Exactly.

There are fake people in every walk of life, from those pretending to be gay to fit in to a group they want to be part of, to straight people trying to deny their true feelings. It seems human beings can adapt to any social situation.
Here is the thing, why is being a homosexual a thing?
Why should there be such division in society?
Because we, as a society, are generally unforgiving of anything that does not fit to what we believe to be the norm.
There is nothing new here, sad, but not new.

a reply to: Metallicus

Just because I said it earlier in another thread and someone told me they don't exist.

Wish I'd posted it in the paranormal section now.

a reply to: Jonjonj

Yeah, I hear you, absolutely spot on.

Many people make strange choices when they're young and regret them later, can be anything I suppose. We make everything a thing.

Someone said earlier just be who you are and that's kinda how I see it. My parents were good at the labeling game when I was younger but I didn't care. They eventually stopped whining, I wasn't a bad lad or a tearaway or that but after I hit about 15 or 16 I stopped caring what other people thought and decided what I was doing wasn't going to get me anywhere and made my own choice to make changes.

My own stuff was more drugs and getting into trouble, I was an idiot. I was influenced by my peers, only difference was my peers were hooligans. I'm not and to be honest wasn't, was just impressionable and out of my depth. I suppose your circumstances and social circle has a lot to do with it...I mean we all have to adapt to some degree.

Still...late 30's and looking at the young folk of today it looks like a completely different world. It's probably not a bad thing - I wonder if this is how my parents saw us when we were young.

originally posted by: CharlieSpeirs

originally posted by: Cuervo
a reply to: samerulesapply

If peer pressure and a need to fit in determined a person's sexuality, every single person in the western world would be straight and in lock-step with the made-up behaviors assigned to the genitalia they were born with.

There are no social advantages to being discriminated against, ostracized, threatened, and assaulted due to your very existence. I have a hard time imagining a person choosing to be targeted just for the hell of it.

That's fair to say Cuervo buddy, but at the same time I think where people reside & their social circles plays a big part.

I don't currently know any gay people, but I also don't know any outwardly homophobic people either.
And I know quite a few people.

I bet if you started hanging out in gay-friendly social circles, you would find out that some of the people you already know are homophobic.

It's amazing how you think you know the people around you but it only takes a hot button or two to show you their true colors. I've discovered that about several people I know.

a reply to: samerulesapply

There are way more "fake" straight people...trust me...I mean the ones who are homosexual but don't want to admit it. Its true...there are lots of them and as long as its behind closed doors and nobody knows then they become gay and as soon as the door is open again they are straight again, and ironically, lots of football players, sports enthusiast in general but hey its a free world be who you want to be

a reply to: Cuervo

Me personally, I refuse to hang out any place where people give a crap either way.

I like having a mixture of different folk around, it makes for better conversation, involving a wider total pool of experience!

I don't know about the "pretend " part, maybe, sometimes it isn't a cut and dry thing, I know lots of gay guys that really enjoy sex with women, me included, I do think that some people may think they are gay because they did stuff in the past and only because it is easier to hook up than with women. I think everyone is unique and I don't really like labels. I don't really care about what sex someone is as long as I love them.