Wendy’s To Switch To Self Ordering And Automation To Avoid $15/hr Wage hike

a reply to: notmyrealname

Haha! I mean, what good is being rich if the world is crap? There wouldn't be anything cool to spend your fortunes on! No one would be inventing or creating anything. The environment would suck, violence would be a constant worry -- you'd be pretty alone, and money can't really keep very good company.

I'm worried they'll invent a virtual reality that people get lost in...then people will basically "tune out" of regular reality and the world will go to hell in a handbag. No one will care where they live or what job they do, as they'll want to escape into the VR world all day. People will unplug just long enough to eat and go to the bathroom. Entire digital, virtual reality economies will take over and people will neglect the real world.

I think we're already headed this way ... as the world gets worse for people, the easy way out is to escape into cyberspace. We're becoming more like machines day by day! And the ironic thing? We're imbuing our machines with human-like qualities! Siri, Cortana, Google Now, Alexa ... someday I can almost see a small child learning what an "emotion" is from an artificial intelligence.

originally posted by: Bedlam

originally posted by: onequestion

originally posted by: Bedlam

originally posted by: onequestion
a reply to: AlaskanDad

Paramedics deserve far more an hour that doesn't mean it devalues anyone else.

And as you raise everyone's pay, what happens next is inflation. And, in the end, $15 is no longer a subsistence wage. Because, really, that job isn't worth enough income to raise a family on.

Repeat that same statement again 500 more times I'm having a hard time reading it the last 500 times.

Tha ks

You'll get to live it as well.

There's no possible way for people to make more money.

In fact, they need to make less. I say cut the minumum wage and pay them 1$ a day. If they don't like it they can go to college.

I think we should double the current cost of college and make is a mandatory blood in blood out ritual like the mafia.

If you wanna make decent money in this economy Its about time you take a blood oath.

Losers will work for what they get those pieces of #.

a reply to: Mugly

lowes making like 8.50
it was not uncommon for him to bring home a grand in a week

So that means he worked over 110 hours per week over 7 days? Great conditions

originally posted by: onequestion
a reply to: AlaskanDad

Paramedics deserve far more an hour that doesn't mean it devalues anyone else.

That's the straw man they want you to look at.

Because person A is worth more that means person B is worth less.

That's not true. Paramedics are under payed as well. This is normal.

No doubt paramedics deserve better pay; but then most wages are about 50yrs behind our inflation.

a reply to: MystikMushroom
I have to say that I am really enjoying getting to know the real you!

Yes I agree. In my opinion, in a place of infinite possibilities I would like to see humanity create what I think would actually start a fair and equal future for humanity:

Some type of replication machine.

If all created could simply be replicated, anyone could have what was needed and desired. The resultant situation would create a need for unique things; things that would call on the creative portions of society. A renascence of creativity which would carry humanity to a potentially better, fairer place.

If we can find this, I am all in.

Till then, I will keep working my butt off….

I would be willing to bet anyone this is where Google is spending a LOT of money....the did buy most of the heavy hitters in robotics in the last few years and the most advanced AI company in the world.

ALPHABET Soup anyone? What's a more commonly recognized food name?

a reply to: notmyrealname

Replicators and unlimited, free clean energy are all humanity needs to create a literal paradise.

Those two things right there, in 1-2 generations would KILL greed. People would eventually do what they loved doing, and do it better -- we'd see all kinds of crazy advances in things because the people doing it were insanely passionate about it.

That's the only reason the Star Trek "utopia" system works. There isn't a resource scarcity, and there's enough energy for anyone to replicate whatever they want from food to homes. Some people want to sit at home and be artists all day, others crave adventure and join Star Fleet. Some want to be teachers, others are OK just being a lowly crewman on the Enterprise. Not everyone's cut out to be Captain Picard!

a reply to: MystikMushroom

Star Trek Voyager.

originally posted by: onequestion

There's no possible way for people to make more money.

Sure there is. Get a job that has a decent wage attached to it.

Not all labor has the same value.

originally posted by: MystikMushroom
a reply to: notmyrealname

Replicators and unlimited, free clean energy are all humanity needs to create a literal paradise.

But even Roddenberry didn't stay true to canon. It's obvious some things are rationed, and some form of credit exists, and there are still people with more influence and opportunity than others that translates to something LIKE money.

a reply to: Bedlam

While I can agree with your intent I don't agree with the delivery. As the thread is basically dead to everyone who started, and we are off-topic, in the Star-Trek hypothetical of, as needs and desires are all met without effort, a natural understanding of what job would make people happy would take place. Work would be enjoyment and being good at one's job would be satisfaction. This is what capitalism strives to be however cannot at this time. This is what Socialism strives to be however can't and won't as it calls for regulation to achieve.

Nature's order will always take prescience.

It is our charge to achieve our goals.

originally posted by: Bedlam
But even Roddenberry didn't stay true to canon. It's obvious some things are rationed, and some form of credit exists, and there are still people with more influence and opportunity than others that translates to something LIKE money.

The federation seems to act on barter in exchange for credit when working outside of their group. On their ships where energy is limited there's a rationing of replicator credits which basically seems to be unlimited meal time, and something worth around roughly 2 coffee's per day otherwise.

Different ranks on the ships like Voyager got higher amounts of replicator rations, though this rationing system seems to have only existed on Voyager because of their situation.

I think the main take away in the ST economy was that machines did all the truly unpleasant work and materials were in abundance. As a result people were free to work towards whatever self fulfillment goals they wanted. Picard became a wine maker, Sisko's dad a chef, The Doctor an author, and so on. It was a world where people did the jobs they wanted to do, not the jobs they had to do.

Roddenbury wasn't alone in this notion. Look at the 50's and 60's sci fi that depicts Earth. We had robotics to handle all of our needs, everyone worked jobs they enjoyed rather than jobs they had to do, and there was effectively no such thing as the poor. Considering how well Huxley and Orwell managed to predict things I really think the others missed the mark. They predicted the technology but completely missed on the economic system that would be in place.

originally posted by: MystikMushroom
a reply to: notmyrealname

Haha! I mean, what good is being rich if the world is crap? There wouldn't be anything cool to spend your fortunes on! No one would be inventing or creating anything. The environment would suck, violence would be a constant worry -- you'd be pretty alone, and money can't really keep very good company.

I'm worried they'll invent a virtual reality that people get lost in...then people will basically "tune out" of regular reality and the world will go to hell in a handbag. No one will care where they live or what job they do, as they'll want to escape into the VR world all day. People will unplug just long enough to eat and go to the bathroom. Entire digital, virtual reality economies will take over and people will neglect the real world.

I think we're already headed this way ... as the world gets worse for people, the easy way out is to escape into cyberspace. We're becoming more like machines day by day! And the ironic thing? We're imbuing our machines with human-like qualities! Siri, Cortana, Google Now, Alexa ... someday I can almost see a small child learning what an "emotion" is from an artificial intelligence.

A buddy of mine has the prediction that the day we have holodecks is the day the world shuts down. All that will matter is having the energy to keep it running. Your personal fantasy would be available at your whim. You could travel the world, meet people, go anywhere, and do anything. You could wake up and go parasailing in the Pacific Ocean, go have lunch, and be skiing in Aspen, eat dinner, and play your war game where you're Genghis Khan, and you're committed to taking all of Europe.

This type of day is coming.

Fast food will never go fully automated, and here's why.

Think of your car, its basically fully automated only needing you (the manager) for it to run, but if one thing in the cars automated process fails (alternator goes out, needs a new tranny, etc..), the entire car fails until that one process is fixed. Sometimes it's a quick fix, but more often especially with the new technology in cars, it's not.

Fast food businesses run on a tight margin, the massive profits come from massive amounts of locations, not just a few stores making hundreds of millions annually. Those restaurants depend on every single days sales. If a fast food joint is fully automated and one part of it goes out, the entire process halts to a stop. That in turn means losing sales for X number of days, not to mention the cost of repairs, and the other cost...losing regular customers.

If fast food could realistically go fully automated, they already would be.

originally posted by: Aazadan
Look at the 50's and 60's sci fi that depicts Earth.

I pick...Robert Heinlein.

Let's say...we finally develop sustainable interstellar space flight that isn't a crapshoot and is big enough to haul a decent number of people and a lot of supplies. But it's still too slow and space constrained to go to any particular colony planet a LOT.

What'll happen is that you'll get a sort of Firefly-esque planetary union but as envisioned by Heinlein. They'll dump you out with a bag of seed and an axe, and the occasional mule and a plow. If they could wedge in more people, they would, so there you'll be, back to a mid 1800's subsistence farming setup with horses and cows, under the light of some slightly odd-colored star. No phones, no lights, no motor cars, not a single luxury. No entertainment but throwing rocks at cans and you'll have to bring your own cans.

YOUR job will be to produce food and valuable minerals for the rich guys, and they're going to be the ones on Earth, in control of the ships.

originally posted by: Bedlam

originally posted by: MystikMushroom
a reply to: notmyrealname

Replicators and unlimited, free clean energy are all humanity needs to create a literal paradise.

But even Roddenberry didn't stay true to canon. It's obvious some things are rationed, and some form of credit exists, and there are still people with more influence and opportunity than others that translates to something LIKE money.

Well, outside the Federation sure. There are certain things that can't be replicated (gold-pressed latinum). On colonies or remote locations energy may be rationed (hence replicator rations and holodeck rations).

When it comes to positions of influence, these come down to ability. Everyone's equal, but it's up to the individual to display initiative and proficiency to attain what they have. Take Picard's brother for example. He ran a winery. In Star Trek world, if you wanted a winery, you'd demonstrate to the Federation's local government your commitment and ability to make wine, and be granted the land to do so -- or you'd inherit it already.

Sisko's Dad ran a restaurant because he wanted to. I'm sure there are items off-world that are traded (self-sealing stembolts maybe?) that are bartered. People might want real cooked food, too.

Other cultures outside the Federation still used money, so it seems logical that the Federation might issue it's citizens some form of "credits" (even though Gene emphatically said money didn't exist) -- and we did see them after Roddenberry died in dealings with other cultures.

a reply to: Aazadan

And with automation (what this thread is about) might be one step in that direction. What are all the trash collectors, janitors, septic tank pumpers, ect going to be doing when robots do all the unpleasant things?

There are only so many skilled jobs that can't be replaced by a machine/robot.

We're in for some very interesting times. We can't seem to help ourselves from automating everything we can. I read a story about a guy that developed a software program to do his job, when his boss found out he got fired. The guy literally made his own job obsolete!

BTW, I could hold my own in ST trivia any day against anyone... I might have green blood.

a reply to: MystikMushroom

Reminds me of the conversation Ann Coultar had with Bill Maher on his show about people who pick in the fields.

She kept trying to tell Bill that those jobs are currently getting replaced by new technology but he just kept ignoring her and saying the same thing over and over again.

It's like people can't process certain information if it takes them out of their comfort zone and makes them have to rethink. Perspective.

originally posted by: MystikMushroom
And with automation (what this thread is about) might be one step in that direction. What are all the trash collectors, janitors, septic tank pumpers, ect going to be doing when robots do all the unpleasant things?

Hopefully they get more enjoyable jobs. My opinion is that we're going to have to shorten the work week more and more. If you look at ST, their work week for bridge officers is 30/week and some other jobs seem to be considerably less (20/week for school, Jake did almost nothing as a reporter in the war). Quark was the only character in the entire series that put in a full long days work.

The jobs are disappearing, the population is rising. The logical conclusion is that people should be working less as a result.

We're in for some very interesting times. We can't seem to help ourselves from automating everything we can. I read a story about a guy that developed a software program to do his job, when his boss found out he got fired. The guy literally made his own job obsolete!

I would hope he sold the program to his boss atleast. And then sold the program to competitors. This type of stuff does happen fairly often though.

I would love to glimpse 100 years into the future and see what it's like, but then I'll realize I likely have zero relevant job skills and that would be a pretty bad way to live.

originally posted by: MystikMushroom

There are only so many skilled jobs that can't be replaced by a machine/robot.

We're in for some very interesting times. We can't seem to help ourselves from automating everything we can.

There will be a lot of unemployed folks on the dole.

Envision this without the endless energy and free goods. Now you get a dystopia, and Colonel Green.