WTC-7 Mysteries FINALLY Solved.

a reply to: Flatcoat

And yet, an hour of fires on a couple of floors can do the exact same job........do you really believe that?

It did not take very long for fire to drop 3 steel frame buildings in Thailand.

Kader Toy Factory Fire

At about 4pm on May 10th, 1993, a small fire was discovered on the first floor of part of the E-shaped building. Workers were instructed to keep working as the fire was thought to be minor. The fire alarm in this building did not sound.

The building was reinforced with un-insulated steel girders which quickly weakened and collapsed. This part of the building was dedicated to the storage of finished products and the fire spread quickly. Other parts of the factory were full of raw materials which also burnt very fast... Fire-fighters arrived at the factory at about 4:40pm, to find Building One about to collapse.

The Kader buildings,...collapsed relatively early in the fire because their structural steel supports lacked the fireproofing that would have allowed them to maintain their strength when exposed to high temperatures.

A post-fire review of the debris at the Kader site showed no indication that any of the steel members had been fireproofed.

en.wikipedia.org...

a reply to: matadoor

As a person who blows up things for a living, let me explain a few things.

Do any of you have even a small idea as to how long it takes to prep a building for demolition? WEEKS.

Now I'm only talking about 10 stories and less. Huge Sky Scrapers? MONTHS to YEARS.

I understand what it takes, and I have explained to the 9/11 truthers that it takes weeks and months to properly prepare a typical steel frame building for demolition implosions, but they rather believe the fantasy of Hollywood movies rather than actual facts.

I get the biggest kick out of these conspiracy theories. So, let me make sure I understand. For WEEKS ahead of time, teams of demo people infiltrated the building, removing walls so that specific charges could be placed, the walls were then replaced to hide the evidence, then cabling was run to "some location" where no one noticed and no one reported that strange people were in the building disrupting the tenants as thousands of pounds of high explosives were "planted". And no one noticed the 20 tractor trailers parked on the streets where the explosives and assorted cabling and demo gear were stored as they were clandestinely planted.

Then, coordinated with a group of terrorists who didn't have anything to communicate with (I'm guessing that some weird theory about mind reading is going to be invoked here), they waited for a specific time to then blow up their "planted charges" in sequence with the 2 airplanes that slammed into the towers, to "make sure" the buildings collapsed?

Did I get this right? Do you have any idea how complicated this is, when it's done in the wide open, let alone being done "clandestinely"?

It would have been very complicated and the fact that the collapse of WTC 1 and WTC 2 commenced at the points of impacts and yet, no secondary explosions, but we have to look that truthers don't deal in reality, they deal in fantasy. Not long ago, they slapped me with their undeniable evidence that WTC 7 was brought down by demo explosives, which so happened to be the same video that I referenced to as proof that truthers have been posting hoaxed and bogus videos and photos.

It didn't take long for the truthers who did not bother to read my previous reference to that hoaxed video of WTC 7, to post that same hoaxed video as their evidence of demo explosives and WTC 7. Simply amazing!!

Oh come on, seriously? It takes our teams weeks to get a building ready for demolition, we did a multi-story building in Vegas a couple of years ago, that took 115 people 5 weeks to get the building ready, and that was with the building completely empty (and most of the interior already removed so we had easy access to the building's infrastructure) with no one around to "wonder what we were up to". Imagine how many people would be needed to wire up the twin towers.

Imagine what you could be inventing with all of this mind work instead of looking for a boogie man that simply doesn't exist.

Truthers have proven time and again that they deal only in fantasy and fiction, not reality.

As far as "explosive sounds" go, I have heard steel beams snap in buildings as they are in the process of going down, that sound far louder than the explosives we used to destabilize the building.

That's what you are hearing. The buildings internal structure collapsing. I've heard it hundreds of times.

Okay, slam away!!!

I have posted this video on a number of occasions to bring reality to the truthers that structural failure can also produce explosive-like sounds.

Listen to the sounds at time line: 0:42 and 0:45.

a reply to: skyeagle409

"It didn't take long for the truthers who did not bother to read my previous reference to that hoaxed video of WTC 7, to post that same hoaxed video as their evidence of demo explosives and WTC 7. Simply amazing!! "

Fact. In order for any of the buildings to have been brought down by any planned explosives, meticulous attention to detail would be needed to plant the explosives, plus what most people don't get, is that there are a ton of periphrial gear and equipment that is needed during the setup portion of the demo.

There were no reports of "un-identified armored trucks" being anywhere near any of these buildings for weeks ahead of time, nor were there any "moments after the building collapsed".

There is an old saying, "you can't hide a turd floating in the pool". You also can't have explosives in the quantity needed to bring down a building, anywhere near downtown without a ton of people seeing it and watching them being installed.

Oh wait, let me guess. The explosives were planted when they built the buildings, knowing that some day they would need to be brought down during a terrorist op and no one noticed when they did that either!!!!

Edit - Like on Star Trek - "Computer, destruct sequence one, code one, 1 A" They had built in explosives that no one ever found, and used them to "self destruct the buildings".

Yeah, that's the ticket!!

Reality is so hard to handle sometimes.

a reply to: LaBTop

Any fanatic OS defender such as you, would give his left pinky for such prime evidence, if there were NO sudden huge spikes of much higher amplitudes from the explosions than the following natural falling building debris hitting ground on such seismograms.

I have asked for time lines where explosions can be heard in the videos and truthers have chickened out and ran from my challenge because there were no explosions in those videos.

Of course these impacting-debris preceding huge explosives evidence spikes would be there,..

Well, please point out the sound of explosions in this video preceding the collapse of WTC 1.



As you can plainly see and hear, there were no explosions preceding nor during the collapse of WTC 1. In other words, the evidence is very clear in the video, which explains why there was no evidence of explosives in the seismic data as you have incorrectly asserted.

I'll say it again, right in his face, Blanchard was a hired propagandist for the OS, or a self proclaimed one.

That is not the truth and you know it. To prove my case, I bet you cannot even provide us with evidence in your case.

He never returned to this ATS 9/11 forum to defend himself, after I challenged him to produce those seismograms from these hand-holds, his bosses were not taking risks with the guy anymore. And took the clever way out of that quagmire Blanchard had brought them in :

Let's take a look at Brent Blanchard.

Brent Blanchard: Demolition Expert

Brent Blanchard, a leading professional and writer in the controlled demolition industry, publishes a 12-page report that says it refutes claims that the World Trade Center was destroyed with explosives.

Blanchard is also director of field operations for Protec Documentation Services, Inc., a company specializing in monitoring construction-related demolitions.

Brent L. Blanchard currently serves as Operations Manager for Protec Documentation Services Inc., Rancocas Woods, New Jersey. The firm performs vibration consulting, structural survey and photographic work for contractors throughout the United States and abroad.

In addition, Mr. Blanchard is a senior writer for implosionworld.com, a website that publishes news and information related to the explosive demolition industry. His team's work is also regularly published in various periodicals such as The Journal of Explosives Engineering (ISEE-USA), Explosives Engineering (IEE-UK), Demolition Magazine, Demolition & Recycling International, Constructioneer and Construction News.

Over the past 24 years, Mr. Blanchard's photographic images depicting demolition projects have won numerous national and international awards, and collections of his team's work have been showcased in The Philadelphia Museum of Art and The Franklin Institute Science Museum, among other prestigious venues.

He has also appeared on internationally broadcast television documentaries such as Demolition Day (CBS News), Demolition (NBC/Dateline), Blastmasters (The Learning Channel) and The Art & Science of Blasting (Discovery Channel) as an authority on the explosive demolition industry.

implosionworld.com...

And once again, the videos have proven you wrong because they did not depict explosions, which simply means that your claim about seismic data depicting explosions is false and we can use a number of videos to prove that you are simply wrong.

Now, how about pointing out the time lines in the video where explosions can be heard. Failing that, you will have demonstrated for us all that you are incorrect on the seismic data.

Once again, point out the time lines of explosions preceding the collapse of WTC 2, and failing that, you will have lost another case.

a reply to: matadoor

Fact. In order for any of the buildings to have been brought down by any planned explosives, meticulous attention to detail would be needed to plant the explosives, plus what most people don't get, is that there are a ton of periphrial gear and equipment that is needed during the setup portion of the demo.

There were no reports of "un-identified armored trucks" being anywhere near any of these buildings for weeks ahead of time, nor were there any "moments after the building collapsed".

There is an old saying, "you can't hide a turd floating in the pool". You also can't have explosives in the quantity needed to bring down a building, anywhere near downtown without a ton of people seeing it and watching them being installed.

Oh wait, let me guess. The explosives were planted when they built the buildings, knowing that some day they would need to be brought down during a terrorist op and no one noticed when they did that either!!!!

Yeah, that's the ticket!!

Reality is so hard to handle sometimes.

Truthers spend too much time watching fictional Hollywood action movies. I posted a photo taken beneath WTC 1 after a huge bomb was detonated to show that if a steel frame building is not properly prepared, it will not go anywhere.

I have been in Vietnam and heard many explosions, but I did not see nor hear anything that was associated with explosives when WTC 1, WTC 2, and WTC 7 collapsed.

Personally speaking, the Truth Movement is nothing but a joke and truthers have a habit of spreading disinformation and lies.

Disinformation Killed 9/11 “Truth”

By 2009, the 9/11 “Truth” Movement was so inundated with disinformation that it had become a laughingstock. The easily-discredited claims (lies) contaminated the greater issue and soiled dissenters across the board. “Turd blossom” was a Karl Rove phrase that could describe what the movement had devolved into.

The media, whether corporate or foundation-funded, could find people ranting about “the Jews” or the Illuminati, the Lizard People, the missiles, holograms, mini-nukes or space beam weapons vaporizing the Twin Towers.

Many trolls, and some public personalities, appeared to be professional disinformation artists hard at work concocting and posting this crap online, which others repeated to their own detriment. One cannot easily prove that a specific person is a paid shill, a disinformation agent, a cyber agent provocateur, but be assured they are out there, and “out there.”

DISINFORMATION TO DISCREDIT

Author Thomas Pynchon wrote, “If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don’t have to worry about answers.” I’ll go one better and in the process explain modern cyber disinformation: If they can get you asking stupid questions, then their lapdog media can dismiss you as a “nut.”

www.911truth....lled-911-truth...

I have compiled a long list where truthers have taken comments out of context and have been caught spreading disinformation and lies.

a reply to: skyeagle409

"I have been in Vietnam and heard many explosions, but I did not see nor hear anything that was associated with explosives when WTC 1, WTC 2, and WTC 7 collapsed. "

My personal thanks to you for serving our country.

I am utterly flabber gasted...

Even if it were somehow physically possible for a 110 story building to collapse into it's footprint by a fire that ran for only one hour... for that to happen twice and then again with 40 story building and within hours of each other.... Anyone can see that it's not a natural occurrence.

The fact that we have people here who are without doubt intelligent feverishly working to make the above seem perfectly normal is just dumb founding.

As an example of how crazy this situation is... lets simplify it.....

If I were to balance a pencil on it's tip, it is extremely unlikely but I might have somehow done it.. though you would quite rightly of course suspect it to be a trick.... Now what if I did that three times in a row...... you would know for sure I was fooling you somehow and was definitely not what it appeared to be.

You may disseminate the detail and attempt to hide behind and run around and generate confusion....

Nothing any of these OS Gate Keepers say can detract from the obvious fact that the WTC 1, 2 and 7 were brought down by controlled demolition.

The very fact that they are saying there is nothing further to the story and fight oh so hard to keep the OS the main recorded history.

Well, they will fail... for ever they are there to record the history the way they want it... we will be here to remove the veneer of their commercialistic candy covered false history and place a seed of doubt in peoples minds as to what they are being told and giving them the thread they need to follow....

Eventually the truth will be revealed.... but not until the money that was stolen has been well spent and the people that did this are long dead.

Remember there are only three Lights!

a reply to: matadoor

Thank you!!

a reply to: Korg Trinity

[quote
Even if it were somehow physically possible for a 110 story building to collapse into it's footprint by a fire that ran for only one hour... for that to happen twice and then again with 40 story building and within hours of each other.... Anyone can see that it's not a natural occurrence.

it happened in Thailand where 3 steel frame buildings collapsed due to fire within hours.

The fact that we have people here who are without doubt intelligent feverishly working to make the above seem perfectly normal is just dumb founding.

Nothing any of these OS Gate Keepers say can detract from the obvious fact that the WTC 1, 2 and 7 were brought down by controlled demolition.

Impossible, so let's check the facts once again.

* No sound of explosions in videos as WTC 1, WTC 2, and WTC 7 collapsed

* No demo explosive evidence in the rubble of WTC 1, WTC 2, and WTC 7.

* No seismic data depicting demo explosions as WTC 1, WTC 2, and WTC 7 collapsed

Explosives make a lot of noise when detonated and yet, there is not a hint of demo explosions as WTC 1, WTC 2, and WTC 7 collapsed.

Here's an example of what demo explosions sound like.

The very fact that they are saying there is nothing further to the story and fight oh so hard to keep the OS the main recorded history.

Since you have failed to provide a single shred of evidence that explosives were used to bring down the WTC buildings, there is not much more to say and you cannot find evidence of demo explosions in the seismic data either.

Structural and civil engineers, demolition experts, architects, and even firefighters, have stated that fire, in conjunction with impact damage, was responsible and yet, truthers, also known as armchair demolition experts with no experience, then come along and tell the real experts that they don't know what they are talking about and when asked to post their evidence, they post videos such as this.

a reply to: Korg Trinity

Yeah, me too. Explain to me when the explosives were planted. Please.

a reply to: matadoor

Sorry I don't have a link as it's old news, but work on the elevators and other inside projects was performed for many months prior to the attacks.

People WERE working on construction projects inside the buildings. I want to say something comical like Acme Elevator Company, right out of Roadrunner cartoons.

a reply to: matadoor

When one controls the security service at any given building, one could easily smuggle in whatever one needed to prep the building for demolition. Time, is all it takes.

WTC7 was prepped long before Larry said "we decided to pull it", as though it was a spontaneous decision.

originally posted by: Salander
a reply to: matadoor

Sorry I don't have a link as it's old news, but work on the elevators and other inside projects was performed for many months prior to the attacks.

People WERE working on construction projects inside the buildings. I want to say something comical like Acme Elevator Company, right out of Roadrunner cartoons.

I want to see eye witness reports, and explain to me where the 20 or so tractor trailers full of required materials and gear were parked while this fairy tale operation took place.

I also want to see the Union shop Stewart's reports clearing any "unauthorized" union workers (and yes any elevator maintenance person would have to get cleared through the shop Stewart's office too) who were working on the building in the weeks and months prior to the towers falling.

These records are kept forever, with copies kept at the local Union offices.

Produce these, and we might have some place to start a conspiracy theory.

Until then, just read my avatar.

Oh yeah, one more edit. In NY, any time you do work in any building, they will also assign any team of workers a Union journeyman, who will shadow all work being done to make sure additional union workers are not required.

Please provide us with these reports that show that someone watched teams of people installing explosives, or do you think they paid off all of these people to never say a single word that explosives were being installed, and yes it would be obvious to even my mother in law as to what was going on.

Facts and reality really do suck for conspiracy theories.

originally posted by: Salander
a reply to: matadoor

When one controls the security service at any given building, one could easily smuggle in whatever one needed to prep the building for demolition. Time, is all it takes.

WTC7 was prepped long before Larry said "we decided to pull it", as though it was a spontaneous decision.

Oh wait, okay, so now we think SECURITY let them in, huh? Yeah, not happening, again, go back to the fact that the Unions would NEVER allow people to be working in the building without them being involved, they could give a rat's a$$ what security said, they are in this for the money baby.

The tenants of course would be bitching at the local building management when walls were being torn down, so I guess THEY were involved in this cover up too.

And if you start adding to the number of people involved in this particular theory of yours, you keep making it less and less likely that this theory can hold water.

a reply to: Salander

"WTC7 was prepped long before Larry said "we decided to pull it", as though it was a spontaneous decision. "

Again, so let's make sure everyone is on board with what it would take to pull this off, unless you are trying to say that the original construction also included wiring the entire building with explosives when it was built, which of course, would have never passed inspection.

"Excuse me Fred, what are those cylindrical devices that are wrapped around each of the supports there with those wires running down towards the basement"?

"Oh nothing Sam, just a new form of frame support, ignore those high explosive marks there on the side with the HUGE yellow tape wrapped around them that you can't take off, no idea why they say that".

In order to get to the supports that you folks seem to think were wired with explosives, would take a construction effort that EVERY ONE IN THE BUILDING would have seen for WEEKS AHEAD OF TIME.

PERIOD.

No little "breach of security".

NEXT!!!!

originally posted by: skyeagle409
a reply to: Korg Trinity

Even if it were somehow physically possible for a 110 story building to collapse into it's footprint by a fire that ran for only one hour... for that to happen twice and then again with 40 story building and within hours of each other.... Anyone can see that it's not a natural occurrence.

it happened in Thailand where 3 steel frame buildings collapsed due to fire within hours.

That's a lie.

and you just ousted yourself as a person who would spread lies and disinformation.

originally posted by: matadoor
a reply to: Korg Trinity

Yeah, me too. Explain to me when the explosives were planted. Please.

It clearly wasn't conventional explosives. If you think that then you lack depth of thought.

It is clear that Nano Thermite was used, there is direct evidence of this, and yep it would have taken a great deal of time and access to the buildings to set up.

Hell it could have been already set up years prior to the event, just waiting to be triggered.

This was not something that took a weekend to do... this was a plan that spanned decades.

originally posted by: Korg Trinity

originally posted by: skyeagle409
a reply to: Korg Trinity

Even if it were somehow physically possible for a 110 story building to collapse into it's footprint by a fire that ran for only one hour... for that to happen twice and then again with 40 story building and within hours of each other.... Anyone can see that it's not a natural occurrence.

it happened in Thailand where 3 steel frame buildings collapsed due to fire within hours.

That's a lie.

and you just ousted yourself as a person who would spread lies and disinformation.

I will let my friend defend himself, which he will easily do.

Yeah well, here is what happened to Building 7.

www.youtube.com...

Case, closed unless YOU can explain how a team of explosives people prewired 3 entire buildings in the most Unionized area of the country without anyone noticing and saying something, even to this day.

I worked for an airline many years ago, and ran a printer cable across a ticket counter, and the local Union Shop Stewart caught me, and fined us $1600 after I had removed it, and then the union folks ran it for us.

Imagine what they would have done if they saw teams of people tearing up walls or "dropping off huge cases" on floors, simply no way in hell.

originally posted by: skyeagle409
a reply to: Korg Trinity

Since you have failed to provide a single shred of evidence that explosives were used to bring down the WTC buildings, there is not much more to say and you cannot find evidence of demo explosions in the seismic data either.

Since you refuse to look at any data other than what the OS says is true, and the fact that you at every point have done nothing but continue to bate, which I refuse to take.

That fact you have attempted to twist my posts to mean anything other than what they were meant for, because you clearly have an abundance of time to post not only on this forum but others too nothing other than OS bull.

There is sooooo much evidence.. direct evidence that you refuse to take into account as even strange.

You totally reject any anomaly at all and think that all those that inquire as to the nature of anomalies as idiotic.

You also forget that I am not a crazy conspiracy theorist who believes in anything... I am an Academic who is not on a small wage that has contracted for some of the largest organisation in industries such as Aerospace, Construction, scientific, Medical, financial and Engineering.

If I was not out there busy making my fortune I would have the time to do my own independent investigation... I may still.

Suffice to say that I don't take kindly to someone telling me that a square is actually a Circle.... Given that you clearly have a level of intelligence leads me to believe one of two things.... one. you are so patriotic and emotionally invested in America that you cannot psychologically bring yourself to believe in anything other than what they tell you. or Two you are purposefully attempting to dismantle any information that could raise a doubt.

The irony is that you may argue until you are blue in the face.... The simple fact is that the chances of all three Trade Centre buildings collapsing neatly into their own footprint at virtual free fall speed within hours of each other due to fire is so astronomical that it's laughable.

For this to happen it would be like winning the lottery jackpot every week for the rest of your life.

originally posted by: Korg Trinity

originally posted by: matadoor
a reply to: Korg Trinity

Yeah, me too. Explain to me when the explosives were planted. Please.

It clearly wasn't conventional explosives. If you think that then you lack depth of thought.

It is clear that Nano Thermite was used, there is direct evidence of this, and yep it would have taken a great deal of time and access to the buildings to set up.

Hell it could have been already set up years prior to the event, just waiting to be triggered.

This was not something that took a weekend to do... this was a plan that spanned decades.

You are completely insane if you really think that explosives were set up in a building YEARS in advance. Any building, goes through fire inspections once a year, and a local fire inspector inspects every floor, above the ceiling tiles, and would have EASILY seen any explosives that were added.

Then, the communications people run the telecom and ethernet wiring, and would have spotted extra wiring and would have reported it.

NEXT!!!