WTC-7 Mysteries FINALLY Solved.

a reply to: Yule C Mann

NO AMOUNT OF EXPLOSIVE THEORY CAN EXPLAIN LIQUID METAL, CONCRETE, ETC. AT 2100 to 1700 DEGREES IN THAT BASEMENT.

Why not?

That is where the fun comes in, conventional methods don’t work so Captherm uses unconventional methods like C4. The technique is called explosion welding and it is accomplished in the manner you might expect. Take a 1m x 1m slab of copper, lay a similar sized chunk of iron on top, then an aluminum plate. Go out to an abandoned quarry and place it on a flat, dry, and sold surface. Apply C4 liberally on top like frosting a layer cake of death, step back, detonate, and giggle a lot. The result is a slightly blemished but otherwise welded solid single plate of copper, iron, and aluminum. And a lot of smoke and debris.

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They probably giggle a lot! Now, how much heat do we need to melt iron?
Yes. C4 can do that, you catch my drift...

NO AMOUNT OF EXPLOSIVE THEORY CAN EXPLAIN LIQUID METAL, CONCRETE, ETC. AT 2100 to 1700 DEGREES IN THAT BASEMENT.

a reply to: PublicOpinion

Why not?

Because recorded temperatures never reached the melting point of steel, however, temperatures were high enough to melt aluminum, which was seen flowing out of the corning of WTC 2.

We know that explosives did not generate molten metal because there was never evidence for explosives, even after 14 years.

Indications of the Imminent Collapse of the World Trade Center Buildings Disprove Explosives Theory

Scientists investigating the Sept. 11, 2001 collapse of the twin towers said, "the World Trade Center towers showed telltale signs they were about to collapse several minutes before each crumbled to the ground." There would not be telltale signs if it was explosives (Controlled Demolition) that caused the buildings to collapse.

"In the case of the north tower, police chopper pilots reported seeing the warning signs - an inward bowing of the building facade - at least eight minutes before it collapsed at 10:29 a.m." New York Daily News reporter Paul Shin wrote in his June 19th, 2004.

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Did experts on the scene think WTC 7 was a controlled demolition?

"Several demolition teams had reached Ground Zero by 3:00 pm on 9/11, and these individuals witnessed the collapse of WTC 7 from within a few hundred feet of the event.

We have spoken with several who possess extensive experience in explosive demolition, and all reported seeing or hearing nothing to indicate an explosive detonation precipitating the collapse.

* Controlled Demolition Inc

* D.H. Griffin Companies

* Mazzocchi Wrecking

* Gateway Demolition

* Yannuzzi Demolition & Disposal

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Towers Weakened by Planes; Brought Down by Fire

Analysis by a team of 25 of the nation's leading structural and fire protection engineers suggests that the World Trade Center Towers could have remained standing indefinitely if fire had not overwhelmed the weakened structures, according to a report presented today at a hearing of the House Science Committee. That finding is significant, said W. Gene Corley, Ph.D., team lead for the ASCE/FEMA Building Performance Study Team, because extreme events of this type, resulting in such substantial damage, are generally not considered in building design, and the fact that these structures were able to successfully withstand such damage is noteworthy.

Only a handful of architects and engineers question the NIST Report, but they have never come up with an alternative. Although at first blush it may seem impressive that these people don't believe the NIST Report, remember that there are 123,000 members of ASCE(American Society of Civil Engineers) who do not question the NIST Report. There are also 80,000 members of AIA(American Institute of Architects) who do not question the NIST Report.

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Why did NIST not Consider a “Controlled Demolition

Some 200 technical experts—including about 85 career NIST experts and 125 leading experts from the private sector and academia—reviewed tens of thousands of documents, interviewed more than 1,000 people, reviewed 7,000 segments of video footage and 7,000 photographs, analyzed 236 pieces of steel from the wreckage, performed laboratory tests and sophisticated computer simulations of the sequence of events that occurred from the moment the aircraft struck the towers until they began to collapse.

Based on this comprehensive investigation, NIST concluded that the WTC towers collapsed because: (1) the impact of the planes severed and damaged support columns, dislodged fireproofing insulation coating the steel floor trusses and steel columns, and widely dispersed jet fuel over multiple floors; and (2) the subsequent unusually large jet-fuel ignited multi-floor fires (which reached temperatures as high as 1,000 degrees Celsius) significantly weakened the floors and columns with dislodged fireproofing to the point where floors sagged and pulled inward on the perimeter columns.

This led to the inward bowing of the perimeter columns and failure of the south face of WTC 1 and the east face of WTC 2, initiating the collapse of each of the towers. Both photographic and video evidence—as well as accounts from the New York Police Department aviation unit during a half-hour period prior to collapse—support this sequence for each tower.

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No one heard explosions that could have been attributed to explosives, and the proof lies in the fact there are no demolition explosions seen nor heard as WTC 1, WTC 2, and WTC 7 collapsed, which explains why seismic monitors in the area did not detect demolition explosions.

a reply to: skyeagle409

Keep calm and read again:

NO AMOUNT OF EXPLOSIVE THEORY CAN EXPLAIN LIQUID METAL, CONCRETE, ETC. AT 2100 to 1700 DEGREES IN THAT BASEMENT.

And how did they weld their Heatsinks then? Everything just a fraud? Get a lawyer and sue them, I take 10% for counseling.

Glad to be of service, we are fine. I cherrypicked a rather general question (with regards to explosives and heat) we both may be able to agree upon for the first time in our lifes.

a reply to: PublicOpinion

And how did they weld their Heatsinks then? Everything just a fraud? Get a lawyer and sue them, I take 10% for counseling.

The temperature of the fires inside the WTC buildings never reached the melting point of steel, but they reached, and surpassed, the melting point of aluminum.

Welding is not evidence of explosives and I have mentioned the use of high temp wands and torches by clean-up crews. This photo was pushed by conspiracy theorist claiming that this was evidence of thermite shaped charge.

Cut Steel Beam

However, conspiracy theorist never told the rest of the story, and that is, the beam was cut by clean-up crews.

Glad to be of service, we are fine. I cherrypicked a rather general question (with regards to explosives and heat) we both may be able to agree upon for the first time in our lifes.

Well, after 14 years, there is still no evidence of explosives and no evidence of a False Flag operation either.

Well, after 14 years, there is still no evidence of explosives and no evidence of a False Flag operation either.

you say that with a clear conscious?

a reply to: loveguy

Absolutely!! Especially since a number of warnings were issued to the United States from nations around the world, some of which were Muslim nations, that Osama bin Laden and al-Qaeda were in the process of carrying out their attack on the United States and use hijacked airlines as weapons.

In 1995, the Philippine government issued similar warnings that terrorist would use hijacked airliners to kill thousands of people and one of the targets was CIA headquarters. The plot was known as Bojinka, and one of the terrorist involved in that plot was the same person who detonated a huge bomb beneath WTC 1 in 1993, which I might add, remained standing.

I might also add that his uncle was the mastermind of the 9/11 attack.

I'm not convinced there was a "mastermind" for the attacks. More likely, a group of men with a common agenda. And they were NOT 19 arabs with box cutters.

a reply to: skyeagle409

Explosion welding is just an example for the ridiculousness of a claim I was referring to. And then you jumped in to save the day whilst obfuscating this fact. Yeah, I can see right through you.

Well, after 14 years, there is still no evidence of explosives and no evidence of a False Flag operation either.

Well, after 14 years there is still no evidence to support the pancake-story either. Carry on!

a reply to: Salander

I'm not convinced there was a "mastermind" for the attacks. More likely, a group of men with a common agenda. And they were NOT 19 arabs with box cutters.

After 14 years, the only evidence available is that 19 terrorist hijacked four airliners and used them as weapons to kill almost 3000 people.

"Bin Ladin Determined To Strike in US" Document

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American 11 was slammed into WTC 1, American 77 was slammed in the Pentagon, United 175 was slammed into WTC 2 and United 93 slammed into the ground.



Text: United Airlines Statement on Plane Crashes

United Airlines has now confirmed that two of its aircraft have crashed.

— UA 93, a Boeing 757 aircraft, departed from Newark, N.J. at 8:01 a.m. local time, bound for San Francisco, with 38 passengers on board, two pilots, five flight attendants.

— UA 175, a Boeing 767 aircraft, departed from Boston at 7:58 a.m. local time, bound for Los Angeles, with 56 passengers on board, two pilots and seven flight attendants.

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Countries around the world issued warnings to the United States that Osama bin Laden and al-Qaeda would carry out an attack on the United States and use hijacked airliners as weapons, which is exactly what happened on 9/11/2001.

They Tried to Warn Us: Foreign Intelligence Warnings Before 9/11

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Afterward, Osama bin Laden and al-Qaeda admitted they were responsible for the terrorist attack, which is exactly what the international community had warned the United States about.

Bin Laden Claims Responsibility for 9/11

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Bin Laden Admits 9/11 Responsibility, Warns of More Attacks

www.telegraph.co.uk...

On the other hand, conspiracy websites such as "loose Change" and "Pilots for 9/11 Truth" and other conspiracy websites were found guilty of lying and spreading disinformation.

Steven Jones convinced a number of people that a flashlight reflection was molten steel, and Richard Gage managed to dupe a number of people, were both caught lying.

There was never evidence for explosives, which was evident by the fact that no explosions were seen nor heard as the WTC buildings collapsed, no demolition explosives detected by seismic monitors operated by the Protec Co., and not one shred of demolition hardware was ever found within the WTC rubble.

Conspiracy theorist like to bring up that people did hear explosions, yet they refuse to tell the rest of the story, and that is, those sounds were later attributed to falling elevators, exploding gas lines, collapsing floors, aircraft impacts, etc., but nothing to do with explosives.

a reply to: PublicOpinion

Explosion welding is just an example for the ridiculousness of a claim I was referring to.

I made no such claim either.

Well, after 14 years there is still no evidence to support the pancake-story either. Carry on!

The squibs seen in photos and on video is proof that the floors were pancaking. The pancaking floors were forcing out compressed air, which was the prime clue that the floors were pancaking.

Squibs

During the pancake, the floors acted like a plunger in a Syringe. The towers skin and windows became the tube of the Syringe. The increased pressure blew the windows out as each massive acre of floor compressed air between them. It's said that the towers were about 95% air.

The air pushed though the core any way it could and the pressure built up. It forced its way out on lower floors wherever it could. According to the survivors of at least one tower, a hurricane wind blows through the staircase which is located in the core.

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An effect that can also be seen in this photo.

Squib: Compressed Air

Now, you know what caused the squibs as the WTC buildings collapsed.

Cool, verinage technique. A demolition technique without explosives. The difference with the twin towers is

- two stories are demolished to initiate the collapse.
- the collapse starts exactly in the middle.
- the structure is completely stripped and weakened beforehand
- the structure is concrete and has no steel columns
- there are no squibs but dust
- no heavy parabolic mass ejections
- no isolated forcefull ejections far from the collapse front.
- no internal rumble sound (proof on video) or testimonies of explosive sounds before the top section starts moving.

originally posted by: drommelsboef
Cool, verinage technique. A demolition technique without explosives. The difference with the twin towers is

- two stories are demolished to initiate the collapse.

- the collapse starts exactly in the middle.

And, the collapse of each of the WTC Towers occurred exactly where they were struck by the aircraft. Check out this picture.

Where the Collapse of WTC 1 and WTC 2 Began

You will also notice that WTC 2 collapsed before WTC 1 because the structure of WTC 2 was supporting higher structural loads than WTC 1.

- the structure is completely stripped and weakened beforehand

Even in explosive demolitions, buildings are stripped and pre-weakened and it would have been impossible to do in occupied buildings because structural pre-weakening is a very dirty and a very noisy process which generates tons of waste debris that would not have been tolerated in occupied buildings for many months.

- the structure is concrete and has no steel columns

Let's take a look here where a steel frame building collapsed without the use of explosives.

Totally Collapsed 21-Story Steel Frame Office Building

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Total collapse of 21-story steel frame office building.

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Now, let's take a look here and fast-forward to time line 1:45 to see how cables forced the collapse of two steel frame buildings.

- there are no squibs but dust

What you are seeing are squibs of compressed air, which forces out dust from inside the building as was the case when the WTC buildings collapsed.

- no heavy parabolic mass ejections
- no isolated forcefull ejections far from the collapse front.

That is irrelevant. Please explain why the steel structure of WTC 1 remained standing within the bomb crater and not ejected after a huge bomb was detonated beneath WTC 1 in 1993. Review the following photo and then explain why WTC 1 did not collapse.

WTC 1 Structure in Bomb Crater

- no internal rumble sound (proof on video) or testimonies of explosive sounds before the top section starts moving.

There are no demolition explosions in any WTC video. There was no sound of demolition explosions as WTC 1, WTC 2, and WTC 7 collapsed, which explains why seismic monitors did not detect demolition explosions as the WTc buildings collapsed.

Add to the fact that no one shred of demolition hardware was ever found within the rubble of the WTC buildings.

a reply to: skyeagle409

After 14 years, the only evidence available is that 19 terrorist hijacked four airliners and used them as weapons to kill almost 3000 people.

The fact is, that is only hearsay information regurgitated by propaganda media.

a reply to: skyeagle409

"Bin Ladin Determined To Strike in US" Document

There was no evidence to proves this. We were told this by propaganda media. Hearsay information are not facts.

a reply to: skyeagle409

Add to the fact that no one shred of demolition hardware was ever found within the rubble of the WTC buildings.

So true, that's why the demolition company that got the clean-up contract was in a hurry to cart off the evidence and using GPS to make sure those trucks did not stop anywhere on the way to the landfill.

Just because no one was allowed to look for any demolition hardware, doesn't prove there was any evidence. And why put GPS tracking devices on the trucks in the first place?? That's a first time I ever heard of a demolition company doing that, looks to me they had something to hide, don't you think so?

a reply to: Informer1958

The fact is, that is only hearsay information regurgitated by propaganda media.

On the contrary, nations around to world also warned the United States.

WARNINGS THAT THE DANGER WOULD COME FROM THE AIR

BRITAIN, WARNING #1: Al-Qaeda is planning to use aircraft in "unconventional ways", "possibly as flying bombs"

the British intelligence agency, gives a secret report to liaison staff at the US embassy in London. The reports states that al-Qaeda has plans to use "commercial aircraft" in "unconventional ways", "possibly as flying bombs." [Sunday Times, 6/9/02]

BRITAIN, WARNING #3: An Al-Qaeda attack will involve multiple hijackings

Early August 2001 ©: Britain gives the US another warning about an al-Qaeda attack. The previous British warning (see July 16, 2001) was vague as to method, but this warning specifies multiple airplane hijackings. This warning is included in Bush's briefing on August 6. [Sunday Herald, 5/19/02]

CAYMAN ISLANDS, WARNING #2: Three al-Qaeda agents are part of a plot "organizing a major terrorist act against the US via an airline or airlines"

August 29, 2001: Three men from either Pakistan or Afghanistan living in the Cayman Islands are briefly arrested in June 2001 for discussing hijacking attacks in New York City (see June 4, 2001). On this day, a Cayman Islands radio station receives an unsigned letter claiming these same three men are agents of bin Laden. The anonymous author warns that they "are organizing a major terrorist act against the US via an airline or airlines." The letter is forwarded to a Cayman government official but no action is taken until after 9/11 and it isn't known when the US is informed. Many criminals and/or businesses use the Cayman Islands as a safe, no tax, no questions asked haven to keep their money. The author of the letter meets with the FBI shortly after 9/11, and claims his information was a "premonition of sorts." The three men are later arrested. Its unclear what has happened to them since their arrest. [Miami Herald, 9/20/01, Los Angeles Times, 9/20/01, MSNBC, 9/23/01] FTW

EGYPT, WARNING #1: An undercover agent learns 20 al-Qaeda agents are in the US, four have received flight training

Late July 2001 (D): CBS later has a brief mention in a long story on another topic: "Just days after Atta return[s] to the US from Spain, Egyptian intelligence in Cairo says it received a report from one of its operatives in Afghanistan that 20 al-Qaeda members had slipped into the US and four of them had received flight training on Cessnas. To the Egyptians, pilots of small planes didn't sound terribly alarming, but they [pass] on the message to the CIA anyway, fully expecting Washington to request information. The request never [comes]." [CBS, 10/9/02] This appears to be one of several accurate Egyptian warnings based on informants (see June 13, 2001 and August 30, 2001). Could Egypt have known the names of some or all of the hijackers? Given FBI agent Ken Williams' memo about flight schools a short time before (see July 10, 2001), shouldn't the US have investigated this closely instead of completely ignoring it?

GERMANY: Terrorists will use airplanes as weapons to attack "American and Israeli symbols"

June 2001: German intelligence warns the CIA, Britain's MI6, and Israel's Mossad that Middle Eastern terrorists are planning to hijack commercial aircraft to use as weapons to attack "American and Israeli symbols, which stand out." A later article quotes unnamed German intelligence sources who state the information was coming from Echelon surveillance technology, and that British intelligence had access to the same warnings. However, there were other informational sources, including specific information and hints given to, but not reported by, Western and Near Eastern news media six months before 9/11. [Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung, 9/11/01, Washington Post, 9/14/01, Fox News, 5/17/02] FTW

ITALY: Muslims warn of an attack on the US and Britain using hijacked airplanes as weapons

September 7, 2001: Father Jean-Marie Benjamin is told at a wedding in Todi, Italy of a plot to attack the US and Britain using hijacked airplanes as weapons. He isn't told time or place specifics. He immediately passes what he knows to a judge and several politicians. He states: "Although I am friendly with many Muslims, I wondered why they were telling me, specifically. I felt it my duty to inform the Italian government." Benjamin has been called "one of the West's most knowledgeable experts on the Muslim world." Two days after 9/11, he meets with the Italian Foreign Minister on this topic. He says he learned the attack on Britain failed at the last minute. [Zenit, 9/16/01] He has not revealed who told him this information, but could it have been a member of the al-Qaeda cell in Milan (see August 12, 2000 and January 24, 2001), which appears to have helped with the 9/11 attacks?

JORDAN: A major attack using aircraft is planned inside the US

Late summer 2001: Jordanian intelligence (the GID) makes a communications intercept deemed so important that King Abdullah's men relay it to Washington, probably through the CIA station in Amman. To make doubly sure the message gets through it is passed through an Arab intermediary to a German intelligence agent. The message states that a major attack, code named The Big Wedding, is planned inside the US and that aircraft will be used. "When it became clear that the information was embarrassing to Bush Administration officials and congressmen who at first denied that there had been any such warnings before September 11, senior Jordanian officials backed away from their earlier confirmations." Christian Science Monitor calls the story "confidently authenticated" even though Jordan has backed away from it. [International Herald Tribune, 5/21/02, Christian Science Monitor, 5/23/02] FTW

RUSSIA: Russian intelligence clearly warns the US several times that 25 or so terrorists, including suicide pilots, will attack the US, targeting "important buildings like the Pentagon"

August 2001 (D): Russian President Putin warns the US that suicide pilots are training for attacks on US targets. [Fox News, 5/17/02] The head of Russian intelligence also later states, "We had clearly warned them" on several occasions, but they "did not pay the necessary attention." [Agence France-Presse, 9/16/01] A Russian newspaper on September 12, 2001 claims that "Russian Intelligence agents know the organizers and executors of these terrorist attacks. More than that, Moscow warned Washington about preparation to these actions a couple of weeks before they happened." Interestingly, the article claims that at least two of the terrorists were Muslim radicals from Uzbekistan. [Izvestia, 9/12/01, (the story currently on the Izvestia web site has been edited to delete a key parag

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a reply to: Informer1958

There was no evidence to proves this. We were told this by propaganda media. Hearsay information are not facts.

Nothing about hearsay, considering nations around the world and even al-Qaeda admit they were also involved, which is why they released the martyr videos of the 9/11 hijackers.

Al-Qaeda released martyr videos for most of the 9/11 hijackers

The Al Jazeera satellite network shows an hour-long video about al-Qaeda containing footage given to it from al-Qaeda of some of the 9/11 hijackers, including a martyr video from hijacker Abdulaziz Alomari (see September 9, 2002 and September 9, 2002).

A martyr video from hijacker Ahmed Alhaznawi was shown in April 2002. But this new hour-long video contains images of each of the hijacker teams that hijacked Flights 11, 77, 93 and 175 on September 11. These images show pictures of each hijacker in the team floating over a background.

Al-Qaeda's Martyr Videos of the 9/11 Hijackers

Seems that you are unaware that al-Qaeda released these videos of the 9/11 hijackers.

a reply to: Informer1958

And why put GPS tracking devices on the trucks in the first place?? That's a first time I ever heard of a demolition company doing that, looks to me they had something to hide,

What makes you think the demo company had anything to do with the GPS?

In NYC it is not unheard of for a worker to use company assets for side jobs.
In fact many in that area feel it's almost a right.
"Hey Mikey you still that that load of dirt? Da boss will never know."

a reply to: Informer1958

...that's why the demolition company that got the clean-up contract was in a hurry to cart off the evidence and using GPS to make sure those trucks did not stop anywhere on the way to the landfill.

That's false because such evidence cannot be quickly gathered up, and doesn't make any sense considering there are no demolition explosions on video, audio nor in the seismic data.

Case in point, please point out the time line where demolitions can be seen and heard, and if you are unable to point out those time lines, then I will have made my point that no demolition explosives were used.

Just because no one was allowed to look for any demolition hardware, doesn't prove there was any evidence.

You don't have to look for such evidence because they would have been a difficult time avoiding demolition explosive evidence. After all, they didn't have difficulty when a huge bomb was detonated beneath WTC 1 in 1993.

1993 World Trade Center bombing

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Explain why a huge bomb was unable to collapse WTC 1 in 1993.

And why put GPS tracking devices on the trucks in the first place??

Why not?

That's a first time I ever heard of a demolition company doing that, looks to me they had something to hide, don't you think so?

First of all, the collapse of WTC 1 and WTC 2 commenced at the points where they were struck by aircraft. Since the impacts were violent enough to dislodge fire protection from the steel structures, there was no way that explosives would have remained attached either, and if explosives are not firmly attached to steel columns, the blast wave will simply flow around the steel colums like wind flowing around a flag pole.

Explain why huge amount of explosives were unable to bring down these buildings.

Bomb Fails to Bring Down WTC 1 in 1993

Explosives Failed to Bring Down This Building 1

Explosives Failed to Bring Down this Building 2

Explosives Failed to Bring Down this Building 3

a reply to: Informer1958

The fact is, that is only hearsay information regurgitated by propaganda media.

It is time for you to prove what you say. Now, where is your evidence? Post it for all to see.