Ashley Madison, infamous infidelity website, target of data hack

originally posted by: r0xor
It is a crime

Although adultery is a misdemeanor in most of the states with laws against it, some — including Michigan and Wisconsin — categorize the offense as a felony. Punishments vary widely by state. In Maryland, the penalty is a paltry $10 fine.Apr 17, 2014

Therefore, Ashley Madison is a website facilitating a service for people to commit criminal, sometimes felonious acts. I would like to think this kind of weird # would be illegal to do as a business in some kind of vague part of the law, but unfortunately, you can have websites like this, wherever this one is hosted from at least.

A million sites facilitate cheating, but it isn't their reason for existing; they're just there for social networking. This site however, clearly demonstrates its purpose that it is a service for this type of crime to be committed more easily and readily among the willing criminals who wish to do so.

Thank you, I did not know this. Even more strange that they are allowed to have TV commercials. The internet can be hard to police, bit TV commercials are not.

Since those commercials are illegal in most states, then why are they on TV?

Interesting. I understand the dichotomy. I could care less about the site. . .

But if Scotch&Bunnies.com gets hacked, then I want everyone up in arms and concerned!

First they came for the porno sites, but I wasn't a porno site person,

Then they came for the booze and bunnies sites, but I wasn't a booze and bunny person,

Then they came for. . .

a reply to: MystikMushroom

Yeah, no they are not. Lol.

In my experience, women cheat while their own kids are having surgery and lie about being stuck at work (as a cashier at a big box store).

Most PEOPLE are absolutely retarded when it comes to "not getting caught." It would hilarious if it weren't so sad.

originally posted by: CharlieSpeirs
Your claim is that it's the typical reason...

Very typical according to numerous studies.

I'm challenging that factoid with a counter argument that it's all based on the testimony of known cheaters...


And in this case I'll apply Ockham's Razor.

Your opinion is not Occam's Razor nor a counter argument. A counter argument refuting a published study in a psychology journal would be another published article refuting what was presented in the one I linked.

I have no tolerance for cheaters.
Soooo,
I had a giant laugh when I saw that the hackers exposed the fact that the website operators have been lying to their customers about the data that they store/did not destroy.

Setting aside the moral issues revolving around AshleyMadison, there is another aspect which the hackers mentioned that is of importance.

Krebs On Security
"In a long manifesto posted alongside the stolen ALM data, The Impact Team said it decided to publish the information in response to alleged lies ALM told its customers about a service that allows members to completely erase their profile information for a $19 fee.

According to the hackers, although the “full delete” feature that Ashley Madison advertises promises “removal of site usage history and personally identifiable information from the site,” users’ purchase details — including real name and address — aren’t actually scrubbed.

“Full Delete netted ALM $1.7mm in revenue in 2014. It’s also a complete lie,” the hacking group wrote. “Users almost always pay with credit card; their purchase details are not removed as promised, and include real name and address, which is of course the most important information the users want removed.”


So, basically, the Ashley Madison site which claimed to be 100% anonymous and secure to begin with, is charging people to "erase" their personal information to keep their data "100% anonymous and secure", but really wasn't meeting that promise at all. Pretty shady.

originally posted by: kaylaluv
LOL, so you lost this side argument and you want to move on. No problem.

Huh? Show me where I said I condone cheating? I have from the outset said that what the hackers did was wrong whether you agree with the website or not.

Regarding the legalities of the situation, no matter how I feel about infidelity, these customers were promised privacy by the company, and from a strictly legal standpoint, they deserve it. The hackers should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law if caught.

Which is what I have said.

a reply to: Klassified

I have lived through both.

A divorce between 2 people who have lost the ability to love, can be facilitated without the problems associated with infidelity.

You cannot force 2 people to stay married, but divorce is not a lie.

I promise you cheating devastates the whole family and can leave people literally mentally disabled.

A divorce minus the cheating typically does not lead to PTSD. I have been on my own since 16 because of my A-hole step dad, as my mother became mentally disabled because of the cheating.

You will not win an argument against me on this one. I will not change my mind, I lived it.

While this case makes me laugh quite a bit and will probably make quite a few idiots out there eat humble pie, I wonder how admissible this information would be in divorce proceedings, prenup cases, etc.

I mean, infidelity is pretty much a slam dunk against any claims to prenup money or property.

I won't argue morality or other silly things. People do what people do. Sometimes, those people get caught. What the hackers did is illegal, and people should be treating this like any other hacking incident. An illegal activity shouldn't get a free pass because you agree with what the perpetrators did.

Anyone who defends legality overcoming an act of cheating, it's practically the same that not condemn anyone by a stealing act just because the "CCTV footage" was illegally filming.

originally posted by: ScientificRailgun
An illegal activity shouldn't get a free pass because you agree with what the perpetrators did.

Which is what I have been saying all along. How long before a hacker or group finds out what you are up to and decides it is 'immoral' in their opinion?

a reply to: FissionSurplus

Both the Ashley Madison hoes as well as the hackers, who could potentially devastate families.
If you've ever been cheated on, you know the pain and feelings of betrayal involved. Bad news, man.

The cheater is the bad person here. The hackers are just your buddy saying 'Hey, you wife is screwing around on you.'

I know the initial pain and I wish that I had found out sooner about the cheating so that I hadn't wasted all the time and money that I did for an unfaithful wife.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

The study you've shared is based solely on the testimony of liars...
It is invalid, refutable via credibility, & ultimately a farce.

Anyone putting their weight behind a "study" done on a demographic entirely made up of KNOWN LIARS is not worth debating on the topic.
No matter how much I like and respect them.

originally posted by: Isurrender73
a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

I already started what you do to yourself is none of my business.

But when you hurt others, it is a crime. I don't care what the legality behind it states. I am intelligent enough to distinguish right from wrong. But apparently someone like you needs a government to tell you right from wrong, since you continue to ARGUE FOR CHEATING.

I never started hacking was ok. But you want me to accept that cheating is ok, because it is not in the law books.

The law books need to be updated because SCIENCE agrees with me, not you.

No. SCIENCE does not agree with you. A few studies agree with your confirmation bias, and you've latched on to it to justify your anger and bitterness against who knows who. Why can't you understand making more laws doesn't work? It has been tried over and over. Our history is replete with it. What becomes forbidden becomes sought after.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: ScientificRailgun
An illegal activity shouldn't get a free pass because you agree with what the perpetrators did.

Which is what I have been saying all along. How long before a hacker or group finds out what you are up to and decides it is 'immoral' in their opinion?

I doubt any of my activities could be considered "immoral" by even the most uptight of people. Unless eating sushi and watching anime is immoral.

Your point stands, though.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: ScientificRailgun
An illegal activity shouldn't get a free pass because you agree with what the perpetrators did.

Which is what I have been saying all along. How long before a hacker or group finds out what you are up to and decides it is 'immoral' in their opinion?

You've said it. I've said it. They don't want to hear it. They want their blind rage, until it comes back to haunt them.

originally posted by: CharlieSpeirs
Your study is based solely on the testimony of liars...

Sorry, not my study, one published in a respected journal.

You have an article that refutes that or are we to rely on personal opinion in regards psychology?

originally posted by: ScientificRailgun

Unless eating sushi and watching anime is immoral.

It is how you eat that sushi and what kind of anime you are watching my dirty little friend.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

We agree on the legalities. Where I disagree is when you said both people in the marriage are usually to blame for one person cheating. Both people may be to blame for the marriage going sour, but only ONE person can be blamed for the cheating -and that is the cheater.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: Isurrender73
But apparently someone like you needs a government to tell you right from wrong, since you continue to ARGUE FOR CHEATING.

I am not arguing for cheating, I think it is reprehensible, I am arguing that it is not okay to illegally expose cheaters because it offends YOUR, or anyone else's, morality. Frankly, the only people who are not seeing that are either being purposefully obtuse or have a major reading comprehension issue.

You are the one who didn't understand my posts, since I NEVER CONDONED HACKING.

So your replies to ME, are not about hacking, unless you keep missing what I have clearly stated.