The American Dream (I don't want to pay for your milk!)

I don't want to pay for your housing. Or your phone bill. I don't want to pay your rent. Or your birth control. I don't want to pay for your education. Or your grocery bill. I'm sorry you have type 2 diabetes, but I don't want to pay for it!

I want to pay for my mortgage, my food, my phone, my student loans, and my healthcare. These aren't "rights", these are fruits of hard labor. All of the socialist programs have only raised the hurdle for my American dream. I'm not working my ass off for you to sit on yours.

Ghost

a reply to: ghostrager

Do you want to pay for your healthcare out of pocket? Otherwise, what you mean is that you want to pay for health insurance. Do you understand how insurance works? If you require healthcare and a claim is filed with the insurance company, do you feel like you're mooching off all those people paying premiums who don't make claims?

Do you expect to enjoy the fruits of society without concerning yourself with society? That seems like a pretty one sided arrangement.

"Personal property is the effect of society; and it is as impossible for an individual to acquire personal property without the aid of society, as it is for him to make land originally"

-- Thomas Paine, Agrarian Justice

EDIT:

Also, if you intend to have children you're probably really going to be expecting other people to pay for you and yours. Why should anyone who doesn't intend to ever have children pay premiums to be part of an insurance pool with people who want to do such a costly thing as having kids?

Why should people who don't have children pay taxes to fund the education of the offspring of those who do?

a reply to: theantediluvian

If you require healthcare and a claim is filed with the insurance company, do you feel like you're mooching off all those people paying premiums who don't make claims?

Sure, but at least it was a choice to pay for others healthcare(or them mine) or pay out of pocket. Now, I have to pay for others healthcare.

Edit;

"Personal property is the effect of society; and it is as impossible for an individual to acquire personal property without the aid of society, as it is for him to make land originally"

Now I recall what that reminded me of;

"If you’ve got a business, you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen," Obama

Utter B$. That business was a product of an individuals ingenuity and labor while utilizing the social construct. The social construct wouldn't exist without individuals drive and ingenuity.

a reply to: ghostrager

thats made under the assumption that these people are sitting on their ass. I work 40 hours + a week and still struggle so wheres my american dream? I have a college education and need certain programs just to make it because trickle down economics only works for the people that start the trickle.

I'm glad you make enough money to pay your bills A LOT of people chased that dream and failed but generalizing people and saying their lazy and milking the system is false .although, true in some cases.

yea... student loans I have those and need to go back to school and gain more debt because my two jobs can't cover all my bills and my debt. maybe you should count your blessings and realize your money can help others and if you lose your job you can get some help when you need it.

or you can defeat socialist programs lose your job and have no help when you might (hopefully not ) need it

a reply to: ghostrager

Why didn't you add the defense budget?

Or foreign aid?

The biggest part of your taxes go to those things.

a reply to: ghostrager

I work in medical, and it PISSES ME OFF everytime I have to bill Medicare and Medicaid, knowing that you and I are paying for it, while I have to pinch every Goddamn penny to make it to my next paycheck while paying all my bills on time.

PISSES ME THE FOOK OFF.

a reply to: JDmOKI

I'm sorry for your situation, I am. But it's not my problem to solve. I have my own set of problems and my own bills to pay and my own family to support. Not yours.

You're working your ass off to consume and to feed the system like everyone else. Consumption drives infrastructure. You may feel as if you're the only one contributing, but your contribution is a drop in the water compared to consumer spending. You want to be able to take all that money out of the system and not put anything back in? But you're blaming poor welfare recipients for something?

a reply to: BELIEVERpriest

So does it make you made that they get help or that you don't get any?

Because I'll be the first one on your side to agree to deserve some too.

Just don't see what it does to get pissed at the wrong people about it. They are not the ones denying you it.

a reply to: theantediluvian

Also, if you intend to have children you're probably really going to be expecting other people to pay for you and yours.

Why should you expect that?

Why is taking responsibility and using your own resources to help yourself and your family so crazy?

Maybe a safety net for those who legitimately can't make it..

But expecting another person to take care of you and your problems = entitlement.

Just asking for abuse.

a reply to: Sremmos80

It pisses me off that they come for their Percocet and Xanax at no cost to them, and use their money for tattoos, beer, and video games.

Fire
Paramedics
Police
Garbage Pickup
Street Cleaning
Snow Removal
Public Tree Pruning
Public Grass Mowing
Sewer
Water
Electricity
Streets
Sidewalks
Streetlights
Street Repair
Infrastructure Building and Maintenance
Local Parks
National Parks
Public Garbage Cans
Public Telephone Booths
Public Water Drinking Fountains
Public Street Benches
Public Transit Bus Shelters
Local Hockey Rinks and Arenas
Community Centres
Community Gardens
Public Schools
Public Libraries
Public Museums


... and so on and so forth. Each and every one publicly funded via pooling taxpayers' monies.

All those socialist fascist pigs, how dare they !

a reply to: CranialSponge

Fire 
Paramedics 
Police 
Garbage Pickup 
Street Cleaning 
Snow Removal 
Public Tree Pruning 
Public Grass Mowing 
Sewer 
Water 
Electricity 
Streets 
Sidewalks 
Streetlights 
Street Repair 
Infrastructure Building and Maintenance 
Local Parks 
National Parks 
Public Garbage Cans 
Public Telephone Booths 
Public Water Drinking Fountains 
Public Street Benches 
Public Transit Bus Shelters 
Local Hockey Rinks and Arenas 
Community Centres 
Community Gardens 
Public Schools 
Public Libraries 
Public Museums 

Almost all of those are locally or state funded.

What am I paying the federal government for again?

a reply to: BELIEVERpriest

I can't count high enough to tell you how much money corporatism has stolen from these people and from yourself. Doesn't that piss you off?

a reply to: rockintitz

What percentage of parents in the US paid out of pocket for the births and education of their children? So yeah, if you can convince 99.99% of prospective parents to make sure they can afford to pay for these things without any help from the childless, you might be on to something.

a reply to: ghostrager

I own my own businesses--all built from the ground up, possible with savings, groveling at the bank, and untold hours of hard work. The success I enjoy is due to the previously mentioned items, and the hard work of my employees(now at 66), who I pay full medical, dental, vac & sick pay, and profit sharing.

In spite of every obstacle city, county and state government throws at small business owners, new ways to tax and dip into my pockets, I enjoy a comfortable life, and strive to make my employee/co-workers lives better in a happy workplace. In my home state, progressive ideology rules the roost, and many ill conceived and outrageous programs are being instituted, with small businesses and home owners footing the bill. Here's a few: new bike lanes, closing off much needed traffic lanes that eased congestion in a major city; a tunnel project to replace a viaduct that is over budget, drill stalled, with no end to projected finish/funds; a Governor that inserted his personal bias and instituted a moratorium on capital punishment, a proposed year-round free breakfast/lunch program for over-burdened parents, and all the costs, crime and stress on resources to be classified a "sanctuary city".

I, like you, have not sacrificed, saved and toiled to provide for those that have no motivation or energy to do so for themselves. I'm not talking about those truly in need, that cannot put food on the table via medical condition, or that are actively seeking any job to live. I'm talking about that subset of society that feels "owed", or that manual labor is beneath them, or just used to having people like you, me, or many other hard working contributors provide for them. I hear your plaint loud and clear, and agree with you.

a reply to: SlowNail

The only one's stealing from me are the socialists in the white house taxing me to death.

a reply to: rockintitz

Almost all of those are locally or state funded.

What am I paying the federal government for again?

To keep you safe from all the big bad terrorists in the world ?
To enforce that all states comply with federal and constitutional laws ?
To mediate and negotiate global affairs with other countries ?
To ensure that you still have an operational country to wake up to tomorrow morning ?

How selfish.
Hope you never have a bad run of luck and need help.

a reply to: Boscowashisnamo
I work manual labour daily and I am still 'owed'. You are too. Even if you do have a cushy business to bury your head in.