The American Dream (I don't want to pay for your milk!)

a reply to: ghostrager

Congratulations! You have just levelled up the following attributes!:

Selfishness +5
Anti-social+5
Self destructive+5
Isolationist+5
Ignorance+5

You do not want to do anything that does not exclusively benefit you, and that's fine. But only as long as you expect that no one will ever lift a finger to help you when your life goes wrong beyond your ability to recover it yourself. I hope it never happens to you.

originally posted by: ghostrager
I don't want to pay for your housing. Or your phone bill. I don't want to pay your rent. Or your birth control. I don't want to pay for your education. Or your grocery bill. I'm sorry you have type 2 diabetes, but I don't want to pay for it!

I want to pay for my mortgage, my food, my phone, my student loans, and my healthcare. These aren't "rights", these are fruits of hard labor. All of the socialist programs have only raised the hurdle for my American dream. I'm not working my ass off for you to sit on yours.

Ghost

Are you self employed? Sounds like it. Hey, for real, when you are self employed and you pay them hefty taxes one thinks like you do.

originally posted by: boymonkey74
a reply to: ghostrager

Good for you. What about those in a position where they can not help themselves through no fault of their own?.
Leave them to die? No I live in a society where we look after those who can not.

BS You don't live in the real world. Hurricane Katrina proves you wrong with the people in the care center left alone to die while the "boss" took off to enjoy the profits of his business. By the way, I way wonder what happen to that fkhead.

a reply to: musicismagic

Well what about the two fellows who despite being non care staff at an old folks home, stayed there despite the fact that the management had pulled out and were not paying them, and fed and looked after these people, just because it needed doing.


www.dailymail.co.uk... f.html

Attitudes such as those showcased by the OP here, do not promote the sort of selflessness that leads two individuals to remain behind when all else have fled, for no pay, and change adult diapers and make food for sixteen people for hours and hours at a stretch. Without the efforts of people willing to put something back into the communities they live in, by selflessness and an understanding of community and what it means, this world would be a much worse place to live in.

oh my gosh, i feel the same way. i don't understand why people with foodstamps can buy all sorts of junk like soda, candy and chips, and they can buy them at GAS STATIONS. in my opinion, gas stations should not be able to accept foodstamps since they don't sell actual food and people with foodstamps should have to buy real food. i just hate the way the whole system is set up. people get disability payments who aren't even disabled. the government has no incentive to try and bring jobs back to america when we have a welfare state where if you want to have five kids you can't take care of, and you either don't want to, or can't find work, it's ok, because all the people who actually do work will support you. if we just let all these people fail, maybe everyone would see what a sorry state the american economy is actually in, since half of them probably wouldn't be able to find a job. and all these people who are replying that are saying "you are being selfish, what if something happened to you and you needed help?" i actually was legitimately homeless, living in my car for 9 months because i had to get out of a bad relationship. i worked, but being homeless is surprisingly expensive, so i went to the housing department because i thought they could help me get a lower rated rent and security deposit. THEY TOLD ME THEY COULD NOT HELP ME BECAUSE I DID NOT HAVE AN ADDRESS. I had to pay for a p.o. box in order to get housing assistance, which was stupid because i was denied since i made too much money (i was a cart-pusher at walmart). ok? so the people who actually do just have a bad run of luck, 9 times out of 10 can't get help anyway because they either make too much money to get help or because of some other bureaucratic crud.

originally posted by: TrueBrit
a reply to: musicismagic

Well what about the two fellows who despite being non care staff at an old folks home, stayed there despite the fact that the management had pulled out and were not paying them, and fed and looked after these people, just because it needed doing.


www.dailymail.co.uk... f.html

Attitudes such as those showcased by the OP here, do not promote the sort of selflessness that leads two individuals to remain behind when all else have fled, for no pay, and change adult diapers and make food for sixteen people for hours and hours at a stretch. Without the efforts of people willing to put something back into the communities they live in, by selflessness and an understanding of community and what it means, this world would be a much worse place to live in.

I heard about that also. I do believe that there is good and evil in the world.

a reply to: musicismagic

Bs right back at you.
I know I would stay and many of my co worker's would also.

originally posted by: hutch622
a reply to: ghostrager

So when your house burns down you will only take the money that you put into insurance . Sure you will . Cant be taking the money that other contributed now can we .

The insurance argument is fallacious at best. Insurance is a risk the insured and insurer take. Many more people pay in and never have need to receive any payout. If this weren't the case, insurance companies would be under water and out of business. This is something liberals have no comprehension of, but choose to use it in an argument they have no valid support for.

So you "don't want to pay for others' stuff"? Good for you!. In taking this stance, some things you might want to immediately cease using :

Public Roads. We paid for those so greedy moochers could use them.
Parks. Same reason.
Guessing you deliver your own mail, as the Postal Service is taxpayer funded, as is all the regulatory testing of food, so I will assume you live on a farm complete with cows, chicken, pigs and huge plots of various foodstuffs.
I am also assuming that, should an emergency arise, you act as your own police/fire department and emt; also guessing you homeschool.

But wait! If there is a war, invasion or disaster, you are your own Armed Forces! And also can't use 911. Don't want to use that moocher service, don'cha know.

So glad to know that concern for others welfare falls far down the list.

a reply to: TrueBrit

You do not want to do anything that does not exclusively benefit you, and that's fine. But only as long as you expect that no one will ever lift a finger to help you when your life goes wrong beyond your ability to recover it yourself. I hope it never happens to you.

Wow, talk about making an 'ass' umption

Most people that know me will tell you I'm the first to help them out when they're in a rut. Still doesn't mean I want to be forced into helping them.

I wish folks were as outraged at the corporate welfare, corporate fraud, bankster bailouts, tax loopholes, regulatory capture, crony capitalism, and punitive regulation that's killing small businesses and sending jobs (and $$) overseas. Then we might actually be able to once again level the playing field and regain our free market, actually allowing people to earn a decent living and take care of themselves and their families.

I know it's much easier to blame the little guy... and there's plenty of folks out there who want us to do exactly that because it's so much easier for them to steal us blind when we're fighting amongst ourselves... but then again, maybe this entire post is just meant to do exactly that... you know, trolls and shills and all that... so what do I know?

I know that whether it's intentional or not, it is serving the same purpose.

a reply to: ghostrager

Well then, with the greatest possible respect to your generosity of spirit, I must say you have entirely misrepresented yourself in your OP.

Your inability to accept the necessity of social programs must be a result of a lack of information, because otherwise it would have to be callousness and cold heartedness, and as you have just pointed out, that's just not you.

originally posted by: rockintitz
Why didn't you add the defense budget?

That is mandated in the Constitution that we pay for the military (although, granted, it could be scaled back if we'd quite policing the world, but that's another thread altogether).

Everything that the OP stated is not a mandate for our government to do, therefore I fully understand his concerns.

Also, we need to stop foreign aid until we get our own house in order, but again, that's another thread.

a reply to: TrueBrit

What else would you like the goverment to help people with? Maybe we should all just give our paychecks to the goverment and let them disperse everything equally in forms of social programs?

People need to be independent and figure out how to make it on their own. Government run social programs are poorly run and attract too many leeches that bleed hard workers. Nope, I didn't misrepresent the OP one bit.

If you want to understand the OP, go to a Walmart on the 1st or the 15th of the month.

a reply to: ghostrager

If you look at the way each dollar breaks down in government spending, the thing that is causing you the most ire is only $0.122. That is less than the $0.145 of every tax dollar spent on paying down the interest on the federal debt, not principal. That would piss me off more than anything because paying interest is almost like throwing the money away or burning it, there is no return on it ever. At least with social programs some help people get out of the situation they found themselves in while other programs are there simply to prevent people from falling further down the cracks and inevitably costing more money down the line in other forms of assistance programs.

I don't think anyone minds helping the truly needy, or those dispossessed by natural disaster.
the problem is the ones that get on the dole and stay on the dole, especially when their children follow suit.
how many baby mommas are sitting in Detroit or Cleveland watching Oprah with their mother and daughter and maybe a baby, none of them working, none with any real education, all their food, utilities and housing paid for by the taxpayer, for life.
how would some of you feel about a cap of say three years of paying people's rent? if they can't get straight in three years they might not be trying too hard.

a reply to: ghostrager

I really hate all those elderly people getting old and milking the system. I mean why couldn't they save enough money?

What a bunch of lazy people being all retired and not working.

I mean why can't people live off $7.25 oh that's right, lazy.

If spending a little bit of your money to help others is BREAKING YOU

MAYBE YOU SHOULD PICK UP ANOTHER JOB!

originally posted by: ghostrager
I don't want to pay for your education.

How quaint. I assume you went to public school like most of the country, too, Sir High & Mighty.

I'd rather not pay for upkeep on the roads you drive for a few years either, just to see how you swallow that pill when everything degrades & impacts your precious 4 wheels, but it wouldn't be fair to everyone else who has to use them to commute to their jobs, now would it?

If you have an issue with federal bucks helping out, try living without using anything that also uses that money. Stay off public roads, don't call 911 in emergencies, never set foot on public property, and have fun. You'll be stuck in your glorious abode the rest of your life.

originally posted by: JDmOKI
a reply to: ghostrager

I work 40 hours + a week and still struggle so wheres my american dream? I have a college education and need certain programs just to make it because trickle down economics only works for the people that start the trickle.

The American dream is something you earn for yourself, not something that you are owed! It's called the pursuit of happiness for a reason. It doesn't just fall in your lap, you have to go out and pursue it!

@OP:
I too get tired of the entitlement crowd that think they are owed everything, yet contribute little to nothing, and still scream for more.

a reply to: SpaDe_

I graduated High school, went to college, was a part of an adopted single parent household. I also worked 30 hours while going to college full time.

I currently work 2 jobs and pay taxes gladly to all those lazy bums that need help.

So now tell me did I not earn american dream or am I just not lucky? Maybe if I had a rich daddy to pay for my college so I wouldn't have to work two jobs to pay off my school loans?

Yes, we have a problem with people living off the government but as the OPer indicated they just can't stand giving anything at all to help anyone ever.