As an introduction to why I am making this thread, it has to revolve around the idea to ban the Confederate Flag, Civil War History, Southern
Heritage, etc. I think the idea is absurd and actually had to debate my aunt (delusional since her son killed himself 3 years ago) over Father's Day
weekend about why the Confederate Flag should or shouldn't be banned. My main arguments revolved around that it would cause more harm than good to do
so, that banning a symbol does not ban an ideology, it infringes on the 1st ammendment, and that many of our founding father's (ironically discussed
on Father's Day) also owned slaves. I was able to name several at the time but I knew there were more. I knew Washington owned slaves, so I brought
up the fact that if the flag was banned, he too should be banned from currency, and name removed from schools, libraries, street names and
cities/states being named after him; I mean if you want to talk about "tolerance" why not remove a symbol that was intolerant towards people during
his time, especially one our nation idolizes? I personally think it would make sense to do this if the Confederate Flag is seen as a racsist machine
driving people incessently to commit racist acts, since we are surrounded by $1 dollar bills and the name Washington WAY more often than Confederate
Needless to say, I came off as the A-hole to her, as she jumped to the conclusion that I was inherently racist and continued to give me a hard tme. I
am not racist, but I think that banning anything for the overtone or history behind it is absurd. If we live in a free nation, as we are led to
believe, why can't anyone fly a flag that resonates with them? Think about all of the flags that exist in the world, now all the flags that can be
correlated with something "bad." Think back to Penn State child molesting scandal for example, is everyone who flys a Penn State flag after the story
was revealed a paedophile sympathizer? NO.
So continue with my story, I wanted to accumulate all presidents who owned slaves either prior to entering office, and those that owned them while in
office. Also I want to point out the Presidents who are on currency that also owned slaves. FYI. Andrew Hamilton ($10) and Benjamin Frankiln ($100)
were never Presidents. The number prior to name is which number President they were.
1. George Washington ($1 and Quarter Dollar)- at age 22 he became President and owned 18 slaves while in office. When he married his wife he
inherited 200 slaves from her previous marriage. Owned slaves while President.
3. Thomas Jefferson ($2 which is discontinued and the Nickel)- at some points in his life he was the largest slave owner in Virginia, he inherited
many of him and through his wife's dowry, which brought 100 into his estate. Owned slaves while President
4. James Madison- grew up in a family that owned slaves and owned slaves his entire life, even while in office.
5. James Monroe- Owned 30-40 slaves and while in office. Did not free them in his will. Owned while in office
7. Andrew Jackson ($20) - One of his businesses included slave trading and several years before becoming President owned at least 160 slaves and
refused to free them in his will. Owned slaves in office.
8. Martin Van Buren- only owned one slave whom escaped. He offered the sale of that slave for $50 to whomever found him. Did not won slaves in
9. William Henry Harrison- Owned slaves but not while in office. He tried to have slavery legalized in Indiana territory while governor, but
followed law to keep them as indentured servents for 10 years and then could be released.
10. John Tyler- owned slaves and also stated “(God) works most inscrutably to the understandings of men; - the negro is torn from Africa, a
barbarian, ignorant and idolatrous; he is restored civilized, enlightened, and a Christian.”
11. James Polk- owned at least 15 slaves several years before Presidency and is quoted as saying “A slave dreads the punishment of stripes (i.e.
whipping) more than he does imprisonment, and that description of punishment has, besides, a beneficial effect upon his fellow-slaves.”
12. Zachary Taylor- Two years before becoing President he owned at least 100 slaves, he is reported as to never selling a single slave.
17. Andrew Johnson- He owned up to 8 slaves up till the beginning of the Civil War, but didn't own them while President.
18. Ulysses S. Grant ($50)- The only evidence that USG owned slaves is a document he signed in 1859 freeing one, William Jones.
However, Grant certainly had some control over and use of slaves his father-in-law gave his wife.
I understand that many people through out history owned slaves as it was free labor for the most part. Many didn't resonate with the ideal of owning
human beings but it was the prosperous thing to do at the time, I mean what company wouldn't love free labor? But how can we glorify those that did?
But still, knowing now how slaves were treated, beaten, murdered, etc. How can one argue that the Confederate Flag should be banned, burned,
berrated, removed from history etc. if we still recognize these people as Presidents and allow them to remain on currency? If NewSpeak is in total
effect, these people must be removed from our History as well, or else it is obviously seen as hypocritical.
What are your thoughts about this?
edit on 25-6-2015 by iDope because: (no reason given)