France Moves to Make ‘Conspiracy Theories’ Illegal by Government Decree

a reply to: wasaka

My question is, has all this recent clamour amongst EU leaders and the British government, about cracking down on a broadly defined extremist element, got more to do with the fact that conspiracy theorists were right about the issue of mass surveillance, and that they fear what a more suspicious population would be harder to fool, than it does about protecting anyone from violent extremism?

Because from where I sit, that would seem to make far more sense than trying to get rid of dangerous fascist extremists by way of throwing anyone who distrusts his or her government under a bus.

So whenever any offical governments spokeswonk provides an official explanation, you can ask them "But isn't that a conspiracy theory?".

originally posted by: Misinformation
a reply to: wasaka

Who are the "conspiracy theorists"?

The Jean-Jaurès Foundation describes them as follows:

"[It’s] a heterogeneous movement, heavily entangled with the Holocaust denial movement, and which combines admirers of Hugo Chavez and fans of Vladimir Putin. An underworld that consist of former left-wing activists or extreme leftists, former "malcontents", sovereignists, revolutionary nationalists, ultra-nationalists, nostalgists of the Third Reich, anti-vaccination activists, supporters of drawing straws, September 11th revisionists, anti-Zionists, Afrocentricists, survivalists, followers of "alternative medicine", agents of influence of the Iranian regime, Bacharists, Catholic or Islamic fundamentalists "

this must mean Moon Hoax Theory has gained credibility & will still be allowed in the totalitarian society ....

Wow! This definition includes Afrocentricists, survivalists, and followers of "alternative medicine"? How does that even make sense? Isn't France the same place that was holding all those "free speech" marches after the Hebdo attacks? And what exactly is a "supporter of drawing straws"? I've never even heard of that before.

originally posted by: Metallicus
This is another classic example of European Socialism. The rights of the state trump the rights of the individual. Please don't let the moronic European laws come to the US. We already had to fight one war for independence.

Woooooo slow down there.

France has proposed the idea, now you American might not know this but most of europe has parliments and senates, just because someone proposes a crazy idea does not mean its going to pass.

And although itd vogue to bash the EU (even i do it) remeber plenty of US politicians come up with bat# crazy ideas too and most of them fall dead in congress be it McCains senile rantings or alot of obamas more worse ideas ect and hell the USA has even done some bat# insane things and passed them from the patriot act to invading iraq.

Talk is cheap and politicans speak a lot of crap most of which will never get through there countrys senates/parliments

a reply to: wasaka

Wow! So I guess this site would be blocked and/or banned in France if they get their way.

We'd all be branded terrorists/ nnnnnnnazi's etc. I had to keep typing "n" so the damn autocorrect wouldn't keep capitalizing it.

Pretty crazy. I thought our politicians in the US were bad. Geez.

a reply to: TrueBrit
I feel it's about making Government narrative the only narrative and anything that does not tow the establishment line will be treated as criminality just like in communist China.
If Miliband got in we would have been targeted with his Islamophobia and making it illegal agenda, a different more elusive way of shutting down free speech.
Most people will start to self censor when these laws come into effect so that Government policy no matter how obviously criminal,unfair and unpatriotic will not be challenged.
It's the start of a 1984 totalitarian despot dstopia.
I fell something is afoot,something insidious is being hidden and as it starts to unravel dissidents will start to be imprisoned.

Looks like a media troll article.
Voltaire net?
Maybe they are proposing the hiring of government moderators to herd the monkeys?

If that happened in any of the first world, saner countries, such as France, here, anywhere that is not ME or theocracy, (I'd just leave somehow there or die trying), my impulse would be to GRAB A BULLHORN. Its illegal, null and void at conception and violates every constitution of those above mentioned countries, so anyone obeying and not growing some really big teeth and yelling even, and taking it to court if necessary, with full economic compensation, in spades, 10 X more than what would normally be asked, should anything go down, thats what you gotta do.

a reply to: wasaka

This is perfect My essay was about Frances freedom of speech rights, which was about seeing it as a privilege and not a right if it hurts others. That's why the orthodoxy methods are functional. Hope they pass this law thru the whole European union.

Humans have a tendency when given knowledge and rights to use it for #

a reply to: Unity_99

If Sweden passes this, is it to protect the citizens ?

a reply to: wasaka

Only a coward silences his opposition.

Only a liar persecutes his opposition.

Only a lying coward is afraid of his opposition.

a reply to: wasaka

One more reason to avoid France. My gosh. Once all these so-called democracies outlaw freedom, what will we go to war to protect then?

Remember when Cameron got elected everyone said it was a big advance for conservatism?
This must be what they were talking about.

a reply to: Unity_99

If it happened here... If it was actually made illegal to discuss the issues in my country, rather than being a mere whisper on the breeze at the moment, then there would not be any protest, there would not be any court battle. I think it would just go to full on frenzied bloodletting from the get go.

"France moves to make..." Sigh.

Let's start with the title.
"France" has done no such thing.

All this refers to a speech Hollande made at a ceremony at a Holocaust memorial.
He was speaking to a crowd of Jews, on the subject of anti-semitism.
Know this-

-The french carry a painful guilt about their past collaboration with the Nazi's. The Vichy regime rounded up 13,152 jewish people (more than 4000 children) in two days in Paris, which they sent off to death camps (the ones that survived the waiting period before the trains arrived). This is never spoken about, a lot of younger people have never heard of it, but the elder generation knows. From what I have seen, it is a source of great shame and regret, and a sense of debt to the jewish people.

-Anti-sematic violent acts doubled in France in 2014, from the previous year.

-France is home to Europe's largest Jewish population, estimated to be between 500,000 and 600,000, as well as the continent's largest Muslim population, estimated at around five million.


-France has a huge problem with their arabic speaking youth, who struggle with the culture and their refusal to integrate it, being indoctrinated into radical jihadism. They are being sought out as vulnerable targets, and used for carrying out terrorist attacks in France. The Charlie Hebdo one was not the first, and I guess the American press didn't grab the others because it was usually jews that were killed (including children). Much of the recrutement is done over internet, before the person travels to the middle east for training and returns.

- The next Presidential elections are coming up, and there is already a strong campaigning process going on between the potential candidates. So as you can expect, they are pulling out broad strokes and brash statements in speeches at this time, to provoke emotions and get press. A lot of hyperbole abounds.



This was a speech. Nothing else followed up. It was directed towards making the jewish population feel they will be protected more, from the very volatile situation we have going here, if they vote for Hollande.

The french love to debate and discuss ideas, but are not real big on action....I know this, the people around me know this, so we are less likely to feel impacted by anything politicians say. But the american press, can find tons of food for fear creating amidst all that, surely.

For me just another reason why the UK needs to get out of the EU - OK I agree with Crazywok in that its just someone talking but not likely to be made law - however, there is nothing more that my government wants than to shut people up and maintain the status quo.

Fat change on this one though because although PC protecting minority groups has been well received under fairness, I doubt Brits would support a blank 'shut up' from our government, freedom of speech is a basic and essential right to Britishness - Oh! and I won't shut up, suck it up cameron, I didn't vote for your elite ar-e in our parliament and I despise the way you protect corporations that you probably have your money invested in.

Tony Blair is also wanting to force a silence law on people questioning the 'official verse of the holocaust and those who want the truth about it, so we seem to be in an age of dubious character politicians/current and ex trying to impose their will on the rest of us for their own personal gain. Good governing does not seem to be on any of their agendas.

Con-spircy theories are illegal.

But con-spiring is still legal.

Seems legit.

What's next?

ETA - I see something about David Cameron. They must have been sweating balls with all the child molesting death eater stuff being breached, this is a desperate measure to make sure such a thing can never be unveiled to public domain.

Can't believe these nasty, lying, scum bags are leading the human race. What does that say about the followers/debt slaves?

I am a conspiracy theorist, I do not take in spoon fed propaganda and distasteful bull# as my previous generations en mass have, to get us in today's state.
I am not threatened by the 1%, they are the ones who feel threatened, they are hiding things,.they don't want to be unveiled.

I always hear George Bush voice in my mind like an echo...
Let us never tolerate outrageous conspiracy theories

The 1% interconnected and desperate, sweating bricks that the 99% do not recover from division and condition, to expose their grand conspiracy of global domination.

That's why ATS is here, that us mainly the reason you and I are here. And why we stick around. It's never been more obvious there is a grand orchastration happening.

Some like being spoon fed and believe lala land is legit.

Others walk their path, with eyes wide open, feed themselves, to digest the knowledge of this reality and what is really going on.

originally posted by: Elementalist
Con-spircy theories are illegal.

Where? Not in France.

I think this has do with the fact many terrorist and extremist groups promote the same conspiracies about NWO controlled by zionists and international bankers, which is believed to be code for Jews. So they are just seen as another branch of antisemitism.

a reply to: woodwardjnr

Believed by whom based on what evidence? Is it simply paranoid imaginings or is there a definable cause for this belief?

Definition of belief. An acceptance that something exists or is true, especially one without proof.