a reply to: tsurfer2000h
Hi....thats alot of points to reply too.
I may make them in few seperate posts as I have to go out.
"IWhat world are you living in...Russia has done this to Ukraine and it has been proven right along with active Russian troops being caught in
Ukraine...so how is Russia not responsible?
So what do you not get? "
Firstly...there is no need to insult me.I have shown courtesey to your posts and no matter how strongly you feel there is no need for snide
perhaps you can tell me what exactly it is that you think Russia has done to the Ukraine to cause this situation?.....As far as I'm aware the
following article which I will link to has caused the situation in the Ukraine:
Yes I agree Russian Troops have been caught in the Ukraine(Again I never said anywhere that they haven't)
doesn't mean it's an invasion though does it?
As far as I'm aware an invasion means(when talking about military context: a LARGE Military Force moving into another countrys territory to occupy
definition of invasion:invasion
noun: invasion; plural noun: invasions
an instance of invading a country or region with an armed force.
"Napoleon's disastrous invasion of Russia in 1812"
synonyms: occupation, conquering, capture, seizure, annexation, annexing, takeover, appropriation, expropriation, arrogation; More
overrunning, overwhelming, storming;
attack, incursion, offensive, assailing, assault, onslaught;
foray, sortie, raid
"the invasion of the islands took place in April"
an incursion by a large number of people or things into a place or sphere of activity.
"there was a brief pitch invasion when Sunderland scored"
synonyms: influx, inundation, inrush, rush, flood, torrent, deluge, stream, avalanche
"every year the valley suffers an invasion of cars"
an unwelcome intrusion into another's domain.
"random drug testing of employees is an unwarranted invasion of privacy"
synonyms: violation, infringement, interruption, disturbance, disruption, breach, infraction; More
what I don't get when you say they don't want to become the next Ukraine is that this situation could have happened in any country....it wasn't Russia
who caused the situation.(it's all in the BBC article)
"I'm sorry but when you have active troops in a sovereign country it is an occupation...and Russia does have active military troops on Ukrainian
territory, so exactly how is it they aren't occupying Ukraine? "
I'm sorry but you are wrong ...there are US troops stationed in Germany etc...it doesn't mean the US occupy Germany.
The US did however occupy Iraq for example.
As far as I'm aware Russia isn't occupying Ukraine.
wiki :"Military occupation is effective provisional control of a certain ruling power over a territory which is not under the formal sovereignty of
that entity, without the volition of the actual sovereign"
Russia does not have provinsional control over Ukraine(the seperatists have some control but are not occupying it as they have not got full
"And Russia is the reason the protests started"
Russia is not the Reason the protests started...again the article I linked to snippet:" Days of deadly clashes between anti-government protesters and
police have culminated in parliament voting to oust President Viktor Yanukovych."
Wrong, because since 91 when Ukraine became independent so did Crimea as it is and will be part of Ukraine...just because Russia thinks it's theirs it
The only reason Putin wanted Crimea was because he didn't want to pay for the lease he agreed on with Yanukovych. Had there not been a base there he
wouldn't care about Crimea. "
"when I said the comment you refer too:Crimea has belonged to Russia in the past before it belonged to Ukraine"
While We don't recognize it as apart of Russia yet Russia don't recognize it as a part of Ukraine:disputed
"he only reason Putin wanted Crimea was because he didn't want to pay for the lease he agreed on with Yanukovych. Had there not been a base there he
wouldn't care about Crimea. "
So you are psychic and know why Vlad wants Crimea....Imo this is the reason for Russias annexation of Crimea:
"Well then who were these troops... "
They are Russian Troops inside Crimean Government buildings not Ukranian Government buildings.
"And how do you explain the fact that the same Russian soldiers that were seen in Crimea were also seen in the Eastern Ukraine theater as the problems
moved East. Also it should be known that the separatists were being run by Russian GRU operative...you know one Igor (Girkin) Strelkov."
Again Im not disputing the fact that some Russian Troops have been in Ukraine(some is not an invasion)
"No they are getting all their heavy weapons and ammo from Russia...as nobody else is helping them."
So they have no outside funding other than Russia....I'm sure they are also getting weapons from fellow Ukrainians and robbing Ukraniain Military
"You really should look up the definition of invasion and tell me Russia never invaded Ukraine, because you would see that they in fact invaded. "
I did look up the definition and a few Russian troops allegedly operating in Ukranian territory hardly mounts to an invasion.
1. The act of invading, especially the entrance of an armed force into a territory to conquer.
2. The entry into bodily tissue and subsequent proliferation of an injurious entity, such as a pathogen or tumor.
3. An intrusion or encroachment: Your reading her diary was an invasion of her privacy."
Again 1.According to Russia there are no troops stationed in Ukraine....and a handful of Alleged Russian troops helping Ukranian Paramilitary is
hardly what I would call trying to conquer Ukraine.
2 and 3 don't apply as they are not in Military context.
"And just so you know the separatists have even admitted to the use of Russian troops and heavy weapons to help them... "
Again not what I'm disputing
"So now feel free to refute what those who are on the ground fighting are saying...because they just showed you are wrong.
Again not what I'm disputing.
Ukraine has not been invaded by Russia.
There are also two sides to every story aren't there?