China says its Shendiao drone can stop American stealth aircraft from invading Chinese airspace

a reply to: intrptr

Not unless they were ordered to leave it alone and watch from a distance.

I'm sure we knew it was there, how we reacted is another topic for speculation...

originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: cavtrooper7

There have been rumors that a couple of incidents were allowed to happen because the leadership wanted more ASW money, and needed something to point to as reasoning for it.

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With the collapse of the old Soviet Navy in the early 1990s, the USN [U.S. Navy] began to de-emphasize its ASW [anti-submarine warfare] capabilities, figuring that the preeminent submarine threat had essentially evaporated, and it would take years — perhaps decades — for a similar challenge to emerge.

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a reply to: MystikMushroom

I'm sure we knew it was there, how we reacted is another topic for speculation…

Thats the third speculation "we knew it was there" reply without any subsequent proof. With all due respect to all the mods tailing my content today, thats the speculation.

Read the comments section below the article.

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: Sammamishman

It would have been forced to the surface if it had been detected. As is it surfaced on its own. Powned…

Provide proof that it surfaced on it's own and wasn't forced. You know for reasons of operational security you can't and never will from a reliable source that knows the details of the incident. To believe otherwise is to be a victim of media hype surrounding the incident in the first place.
Siting yet more internet articles from people that have an agenda or are not directly linked to the incident is moot and does nothing to add to your self perceived "weight of evidence".
What happened in Norway also is in no way related to what we are talking about. Apple to Oranges and proves nothing as the particulars of that incident aren't even know well enough to site as proof of anything.
If you think that it was such a huge embarrassment for the USN then why did we know about it at all. If they wanted to, the incident would have been brushed under the carpet never to be spoken about by anyone that valued there career or freedom. As we all know this, is not what happened, nor is it what you want people to think.

a reply to: Sammamishman

If you think that it was such a huge embarrassment for the USN then why did we know about it at all.

Because they made the point to surface within detectable range. Thats what happens when a sub surfaces, it becomes visible on radar. 5 nautical miles, reportedly.

It would be useful to establish exactly what happened. What seems to be established is that a US airplane spotted the Song on the surface within 5 nm of Kitty Hawk. What is asserted is that Song approached submerged to within 5 nm of Kitty Hawk and then surfaced. Finding out just when and where (relative to the carrier) the submarine actually did surface would help in discussing this event.

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a reply to: Sammamishman

Sinking Carriers

Happens all the time. Proof is the pics captured by the submariners. Heres a video of another exercise…
Last reply here, sorry about the off topic OP.

a reply to: intrptr

Surfacing in detectable range to make a point is your presumption of the action they took and why they took them. Not based on what is known, which is not much.

The sub was detected by the navy. If the navy didn't want it known, it would not have been, outside of hear say, rumor and the conspiracy theorist.

a reply to: intrptr

We had a microphone network called SOSUS operational during the Cold War to detect subs. I'm sure that whatever they're using now is even more advanced.

They also have airplanes with special antennas that fly around and detect subs. We're pretty good at sub hunting...

a reply to: MystikMushroom

Not in and around Islands and channels. Its not as simple as just using sonar to find a hole in the water. Reflected noise from under sea Island slopes mixes with surf noise and echoes to provide cover for a stealthy submarine. The South China Sea and the whole Asian coast for that matter is a labyrinth of Islands and underwater camouflage opportunities.

The video I linked above of the Aussie boat defeating the US Navy is exemplary. Check it out.

I'm out…

a reply to: intrptr

I'm pretty sure the P-8 Poseidon could locate a Chinese submarine if it was in the area...

a reply to: intrptr

NO we are NOT at all at war. we are just starting a new cold war.
Just because a vehicle comes within a close proximity DOES NOT authoriaze andy nation to engage them at all.
WE ARE at war and we are faced withROEs all the TIME that forbid fire ON KNOWN enemies.

Vietnam are our NEW buddies now..medium.com...

a reply to: cavtrooper7

We've been normalizing relations with them for years now. In fact the 787-9 that will do the Boeing flying display at the Paris airshow belongs to Vietnam.

With Chinese getting access to the remains of the downed Rq180 from Iran and also the tail of the Stealth Hawk it has given them insight into the USA capabilities.Problem is the USA has been playing with this tech for something like 40 plus years where China has been following on from Russian equipment and technology.That means the maturity level of just jumping in on the tech is a risky undertaking as you dont have a in depth theory and practical base to work off.Using something is a lot different to understanding it.

a reply to: Blackfinger

Sorry to not pick but it was an RQ-170 that went down in Iran.

a reply to: Sammamishman
Woops thanks mate