UK EU Referendum, IN or OUT?

a reply to: Jonjonj

Of course the countries that rely on MILLIONS of British tourists will stop then getting in do you think before you type

a reply to: moniker

Some of the aspects of UK law have been over ruled by Strasbourg as part of the EU agreement. That is a fact.

It is the ability to overrule Strasbourg that is the intention of the Bill of Rights.

Norway has very strong trade links with the rest of Europe and doesn't belong the EU. Why the scaremongering over trade?

originally posted by: Power_Semi
I'm a definite out.

We import far more from the EU than we export to it

No we don't. We import far more from the USA than we export to it. The EU is our largest export market with more than 50% of exports going there. Our exports to the EU exceeds our imports from there.

originally posted by: wmd_2008
a reply to: ukmicky1980

Lets get out the quicker the better just as many cars come from EU to UK the same with other products so they can't risk spitting the dummy out!

Cars will still be imported and exported, but possibly at higher costs. EU have a 15% import levy on cars manufactured outside the EU. We could impose a levy on cars imported from the EU, effectively hurting British consumers.

originally posted by: theabsolutetruth
a reply to: moniker

Some of the aspects of UK law have been over ruled by Strasbourg as part of the EU agreement. That is a fact.

By British judges, nonetheless.

It is the ability to overrule Strasbourg that is the intention of the Bill of Rights.

Let's see what it contains before we make that a certainty. So far there has not been a word on its content, if anything has even been written yet.

originally posted by: Alekto
Norway has very strong trade links with the rest of Europe and doesn't belong the EU. Why the scaremongering over trade?

They are a member of the EEA, paying full EU membership fees and having to implement all the EU regulations without being able to question them -- exactly what we don't want. Joining the EEA to retain access to the common market is not an option as it would be worse than remaining a member of the EU on current terms.

There are parallels in the recent revelations of the corruption within FIFA

and the EU.

Both are bloated imperious, quasi-autocratic organisations that quash and

veto any dissenting voices.

Political reform in the EU is vital for the nightmare of unfettered expansion

of the already bloated EU bureaucracy,and the handing over of the power

of sovereign nations to be swallowed up by a super state.

For the UK to vote 'yes' to an unreformed EU would be like walking into the

worst nightmare imaginable.

The whole EU project was contrived to provide export markets for Germany

and a springboard for their power base.

The UK has surrendered and been relieved of most powers to unelected

officials, who cannot even balance the books. For 18 years in succession the

auditors have been unable to sign off the accounts! How can an organisation

be run like that???

Can the UK survive outside of the EU?... OF COURSE THEY CAN

originally posted by: eletheia

There are parallels in the recent revelations of the corruption within FIFA and the EU.

There are parallels in the recent revelations of the corruption within FIFA and any governing organisation. The UK is not excluded (unfortunately).

The UK has surrendered and been relieved of most powers to unelected officials,

If you mean EU civil servants, then they are just as unelected as UK ones. If you mean MEPs and commissioners, then they are just as elected as the MPs and the peers.

who cannot even balance the books. For 18 years in succession the auditors have been unable to sign off the accounts! How can an organisation be run like that???

At least they are properly audited. The UK public accounts are audited (allegedly) by the NAO whose reports are always very cautious and neutral, and if they can't find a reason to be so they instead refuse to publish their reports. The NAO is a joke posing as "auditors".

Can the UK survive outside of the EU?... OF COURSE THEY CAN

Just not as well.

originally posted by: moniker

originally posted by: wmd_2008
a reply to: ukmicky1980

Lets get out the quicker the better just as many cars come from EU to UK the same with other products so they can't risk spitting the dummy out!

Cars will still be imported and exported, but possibly at higher costs. EU have a 15% import levy on cars manufactured outside the EU. We could impose a levy on cars imported from the EU, effectively hurting British consumers.

It would work both ways THAT'S why the EEC was formed a TRADING COMMUNITY we don't need EU to DICTATE laws to us, we don't need a U.S of E.

originally posted by: wmd_2008

originally posted by: moniker

originally posted by: wmd_2008
a reply to: ukmicky1980

Lets get out the quicker the better just as many cars come from EU to UK the same with other products so they can't risk spitting the dummy out!

Cars will still be imported and exported, but possibly at higher costs. EU have a 15% import levy on cars manufactured outside the EU. We could impose a levy on cars imported from the EU, effectively hurting British consumers.

It would work both ways THAT'S why the EEC was formed a TRADING COMMUNITY we don't need EU to DICTATE laws to us, we don't need a U.S of E.

And now it appears we don't want to be part of that trading community anymore. Mind you, our own MEPs and commissioners are taking part in dictating those laws back to us and to everybody else.

originally posted by: moniker



And now it appears we don't want to be part of that trading community anymore. Mind you, our own MEPs and commissioners are taking part in dictating those laws back to us and to everybody else.

LOL!! .... If you think they have any status there. They are only there

to make up numbers (bums on seats) and as you say to bring back the bad

news to the people of the UK. Constant headlines >>>>


*France and Germany call for*....

*Franco - German co operation in the EU* ....

*France and Germany demand* ...

*France and Germany have come out against* ....

*Tory anger at 'secret deal' between France and Germany*....

*France and Germany reject EU migrant quota plan* ....

*David Cameron takes a hit as France and Germany agree* .....

*The embassies of the 28 member states of the European Union*....


Now remind me how many countries/nations make up the EU? ... 28?

Those countries/nations are now member *states* subtle erosion

of sovereignty ? Till they eventually blend in and become the United states

of Europe.

originally posted by: eletheia

originally posted by: moniker



And now it appears we don't want to be part of that trading community anymore. Mind you, our own MEPs and commissioners are taking part in dictating those laws back to us and to everybody else.

LOL!! .... If you think they have any status there. They are only there

to make up numbers (bums on seats)

They have more status than the MP for Bedford have in the UK Parliament.

UK have 73 MEPs (9.7% of all seats), the same as Italy. France have 74 and Germany have 96.

Almost 1 in 10 seats are taken by British MEPs.

a reply to: moniker

Are deliberately acting dumb ?
You can have the EEC without all the trappings of the U S of Europe ie we still make our own laws will always have our own currency and decide who WE will allow over our borders and under what circumstances.

originally posted by: moniker


They have more status than the MP for Bedford have in the UK Parliament.

UK have 73 MEPs (9.7% of all seats), the same as Italy. France have 74 and Germany have 96.

Almost 1 in 10 seats are taken by British MEPs.

Like I said ... it is to give the *appearance* of democracy where as

its just a cover for autocracy The MEPs have no teeth they are only

there making up numbers (bums on seats)


The only time there is a mention of any 'other' countries apart from France

or Germany is when those 'other' countries are having financial problems, and

those are mostly brought on by the ever increasing and excessive demands

of the EU.

originally posted by: wmd_2008
a reply to: Jonjonj

Of course the countries that rely on MILLIONS of British tourists will stop then getting in do you think before you type

There will of course still be visa-free travel for tourism but not for stays or work.

originally posted by: wmd_2008
a reply to: moniker

Are deliberately acting dumb ?

No. Please do not make the mistake of dismissing people who don't agree with you as "dumb".

You can have the EEC without all the trappings of the U S of Europe ie we still make our own laws will always have our own currency and decide who WE will allow over our borders and under what circumstances.

No you can't. It won't be EEC but a separate agreement with reciprocity, sort of like Switzerland have (although they now recognise it was probably a mistake).

originally posted by: eletheia

originally posted by: moniker


They have more status than the MP for Bedford have in the UK Parliament.

UK have 73 MEPs (9.7% of all seats), the same as Italy. France have 74 and Germany have 96.

Almost 1 in 10 seats are taken by British MEPs.

Like I said ... it is to give the *appearance* of democracy where as

its just a cover for autocracy The MEPs have no teeth they are only

there making up numbers (bums on seats)

Please elaborate.

The only time there is a mention of any 'other' countries apart from France

or Germany is when those 'other' countries are having financial problems, and

those are mostly brought on by the ever increasing and excessive demands

of the EU.

Doesn't reflect well on the British MEPs, then. What are our guys really doing there, aside from Mr. Farage doing the occasional (and admittedly quite amusing) roast stand-up comedy show.

originally posted by: moniker

originally posted by: Power_Semi
I'm a definite out.

We import far more from the EU than we export to it

No we don't. We import far more from the USA than we export to it. The EU is our largest export market with more than 50% of exports going there. Our exports to the EU exceeds our imports from there.

NO - I know that you will not like hearing this Moniker, but you are 100% WRONG.

You come across as one of those people who think that you are always right and everyone else is always wrong, and if they don't agree with you they are "dumb" as you put it.

You should get your facts right before you start acting in such an aggressive way towards other people.

The link below is the OFFICIAL trade statistics provided by HM revenue and customs:

www.uktradeinfo.com...

How do you like them apples? They're probably French...

a reply to: moniker

There are plenty of mentions by Cameron and generally about it's potential contents. As I said google it!.