What was the Motive of Christianity?

must be a difficult post to respond to

a reply to: Cogito, Ergo Sum

Imagine this...............you have rules in your house. If I come into your house. You expect those under your roof to obey your rules. And what would happen if they did not?

This life is Jehovah's house, and he has rules. The law of sin and death is a rule. Sin is real. It exist. He says you are a sinner.

Jesus said if you enter into life? Keep the commandments.

originally posted by: christophoros
God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands Acts 17:24
All man made religions are false and are an abomination in the eyes of god for they pervert the scriptures for material things

Absolutely

originally posted by: fleshorspirit
a reply to: Cogito, Ergo Sum

Imagine this...............you have rules in your house. If I come into your house. You expect those under your roof to obey your rules. And what would happen if they did not?

This life is Jehovah's house, and he has rules. The law of sin and death is a rule. Sin is real. It exist. He says you are a sinner.

Jesus said if you enter into life? Keep the commandments.

Exactly. How are children supposed to learn unless they are punished by their father? The flesh counts for nothing, so any tragedy that happens to it is only a lesson to be learned. Job 5:17 Hebrews 12:11

originally posted by: undo
if you sincerely want to know, you have to start at the beginning and you can't isolate your research to the texts of the bible only.

I agree. People hear others interpretations, realize the hypocrisy of it, and then renounce their association with Christianity, without ever actually figuring it out on their own. Greek philosophy had a huge impact on me (nearly identical to Christian philosophy), and it was only after reading it that I was able to further understand what the Gospels and Gnostic Gospels were actually saying.

What is the motive of the Internet?

a reply to: cooperton

Well.

Here are some of the things that Jesus
and the New Testament supported:

1) Pay your taxes to Caesar.
2) Obey Caesar.
3) Slaves Obey your masters
(Rome needed the 40% of the
population who were Slaves
or it would fall)
4) Rome could not absorb the rebellious
monotheistic Jews..so they needed
a peaceful Jewish religion.
5) Turn the other cheek....hm.

Now who in the world would have benefited
from a brand new religion that pacified warring
and uncontrollable Jews and seemed to be
designed to please Caesar.... hmmm.

Can't imagine.

Kev

originally posted by: undo
a reply to: Cogito, Ergo Sum

as i said in my prior post (the one before the one i addressed to you), you have to start at the beginning and (and this is the clincher) you actually have to study it for yourself without the teachings of anyone else interfering. this is a hard thing to do because we've been lead to believe that if a religious scholar such as a catholic, jewish, muslim or protestant priest, says so, then it must be the only way to read it.

i can prove it to you very simply.

Are you saying there is an objectively "correct" interpretation of the bible? The 40,000 or so different sects of Christianity, who all seem to think they have the correct understanding, would seem to be at odds with this.

Though I have heard interpretations of Christianity that make some sense, some quite intelligent and even beautiful. Yet they rely a lot on metaphor, don't care whether Jesus was a historical figure and are so broad they basically put paid to the bible in toto. So much reworking and spin is involved they seem an acknowledgement of how unreliable and nonsensical it is.

If you could demonstrate that the bible not only has a correct translation, but that this translation is also correct in itself, you could probably marvel at the conversion of atheists who would then support it, if not flock to it. There seems as many interpretations as people, this is because where it isn't obviously and nonsensically wrong, it is vague quasi philosophy.

originally posted by: fleshorspirit
a reply to: Cogito, Ergo Sum

Imagine this...............you have rules in your house. If I come into your house. You expect those under your roof to obey your rules. And what would happen if they did not?

If you go into someone's house in that context, you would also expect them to be somewhat an example of those very rules they impose. At least make an effort. If not, guests would probably consider you a hypocrite and leave.

originally posted by: fleshorspiritThis life is Jehovah's house, and he has rules. The law of sin and death is a rule. Sin is real. It exist. He says you are a sinner.

I appreciate that view, but have never bought it. The hypocrisy is immense, with Jehovah making the worst dictators of humanity look like rank amateurs. All but wiping out every species on earth because humans didn't measure up? If you created something 100% to your liking and it failed, wouldn't you at least acknowledge your own shortcomings?

Doesn't he already know the outcome of every situation? Why then, would he do this? This means he purposely created and wiped out a flawed humanity. He already knows who will be "saved" and why. Why create something that he knows full well will inherently need saving? Why not make it how you want it, with all of the requisite knowledge and understanding etc. to begin with. Is he not God?

What he has done is forced people into his system whether they like it or not (with no foreknowledge and possibly against their will). He has created them sick and commanded them to be well. All the while showing a propensity for being quite unwell himself.

I don't believe in him for many reasons (no evidence and is a logical absurdity anyway), but I do wonder something. If such a being, as proposed, does exist he has no need of the title "God" because he obviously is not that. He is a very strange one that has certain powers of magic or technology, but is massively flawed. Why wouldn't people who at least have some empathy for others simply rail against such a tyrant? The places of worship could be meeting halls for the "resistance"? Religion often seems like a form of Stockholm Syndrome this way.

There might well be "something" but it isn't this God. If there is such a thing, religions such as Christianity have an extremely naive and uncharitable representation of him/her/it. Something is very lost in translation.

Conquest, plain and simple.

Christianity as it's known today was created by Nero.

Whether the Christians are willing to acknowledge it or not.

The purpose of Jesus's teachings was to inspire love but unfortunately selfish leaders used that to get people to serve them.

originally posted by: cooperton

Exactly. How are children supposed to learn unless they are punished by their father? The flesh counts for nothing, so any tragedy that happens to it is only a lesson to be learned. Job 5:17 Hebrews 12:11

To have populations largely believe such things makes them putty, to be molded how you like. Such thinking allows for martyrs instead casualties when nations "have god on their side" in conflicts, not to mention suicide bombers/ religious based jihadists who have a similar pov. No one knows what lies beyond this existence, if anything, despite claims.

There would be few better illustrations that religion is a mechanism of control (even to the extent of brainwashing).

The story of Job is probably the last thing to be quoted here if you're inferring a loving god. Not much in the OT indicates such a thing.

a reply to: Cogito, Ergo Sum

no the actual spin is what is taught to the public. the real deal is apparent in the actual text, where, if you are no longer using someone else's manual to read it, the info starts to reveal the story is actually quite different.

for example (pay attention to this as it makes everything after it, make a great deal of sense):

the bad guy in the fall narrative, is actually the good guy. and the good guy is actually the bad guy.
the "serpent" actually created the adam (who were males and females, well before the procreative adam and eve) and gave them the ability to procreate by modifying their dna. originally they were generations of clones (made in the image of). that is what the tree of knowledge of good and evil is -- et.al, dna for inherited procreation.

how do i know this? easy: adam KNEW his wife and she begat. at that time, to know someone was to have sex with them. so why would they be punished and have their dna nerfed to have shorter lifespans for procreating? particularly if you look at the verse that says "go forth, be fruitful and multiply". to multiply means to procreate in the case of humans. so somewhere along the line, procreating became a no-no. why? population control. nod nod.

the DNA (serpents) of human royals



notice how it is being "protected" or rather, blocked by what appears to be winged beings

that's straight from the account of angels with swords guarding the entrance to the tree of life in the garden of eden, which is just a metaphor for that portion of our dna that originally gave us full body regeneration (the tree of life.)

when we were cloned from the elohim, we had full body regen. at that point, we really weren't humans, we were elohim (it's a plural word) then the creator (using our dna) gave us the ability to create copies of ourselves, knowing (procreating) good and evil offspring. perhaps the oddly shaped skeletons of our cave men ancestors were just the result of too many generations of cloning, where the dna began to break down from too much cloning from previous generations. solution? procreation from originating source.

the good guy in the old testament is jesus before he became a human. this is why he often seems totally different than the predominant old testament jehovah.

the only way to figure out the rest of the story is to read sumerian, akkadian and egyptian texts.

originally posted by: undo
the DNA (serpents) of human royals

notice how it is being "protected" or rather, blocked by what appears to be winged beings

that's straight from the account of angels with swords guarding the entrance to the tree of life in the garden of eden, which is just a metaphor for that portion of our dna that originally gave us full body regeneration (the tree of life.)

when we were cloned from the elohim, we had full body regen. at that point, we really weren't humans, we were elohim (it's a plural word) then the creator (using our dna) gave us the ability to create copies of ourselves, knowing (procreating) good and evil offspring. perhaps the oddly shaped skeletons of our cave men ancestors were just the result of too many generations of cloning, where the dna began to break down from too much cloning from previous generations. solution? procreation from originating source.

The two trees in the midst of the garden is a reference to the autonomic nervous system located in the spine. Not only is this the "reptilian brain" (hence the serpent), but it is also composed of two different "trees": the parasympathetic and the sympathetic nervous system. This is represented in the caduceus/staff of hermes: two snakes with a pinecone on top (pineal gland) and two wings to represent the two cerebral hemispheres.

The Parasympathetic nervous system orchestrates rest and repair, whereas sympathetic is fight or flight. The male erection is controlled by the parasympathetic nervous system, but the orgasm is controlled by the sympathetic nervous system. When Adam "knew" his wife, this is a reference to the orgasm. Immediately their eyes were opened (pupil dilation is a sympathetic response), and they were afraid and hid (another sympathetic response), and this is when child-bearing began in the conventional sense we know it today; made possible by the orgasm. Prior to this, I assume Elohim, which like you said is plural, would be fruitful and multiply in ways we don't currently understand. This 'curse' also introduced the idea of survival of the fittest and the ego. anyway... The reason the tree of life (parasympathetic nervous system) allows one to live indefinitely (Gen 3:22) is because it is in charge of bodily repair; a perfectly working parasympathetic nervous system would allow perpetual repair. Aging is a disease. The body has all the proper mechanisms to repair indefinitely

By eating from the tree of good and evil and introducing the sympathetic nervous system (via the orgasm), the parasympathetic nervous system no longer was capable of working to perfection; increased sympathetic tone will always lead to a decreased parasympathetic tone, so the orgasm (sympathetic) caused an imperfection in parasympathetic expression.

Jesus promises eternal life to those who follow his teachings because he teaches how to return the body to its original harmonious state:

"Indeed, the water I give them will become in them a spring of water welling up to eternal life."

Note how this "spring" is inside of us.

originally posted by: yulka
What is the motive of the Internet?

To TRICK God; the (AUO)(ORIGIN) into revealing ITSELF on some 'random website' (a group of genius humans created) that 'guaranteed' their site was password protected/fireproof (god hides in odd places).

a reply to: vethumanbeing

Naah, great story tho. Much simpler Is the truth

originally posted by: yulka
a reply to: vethumanbeing

Naah, great story tho. Much simpler Is the truth

What is your truth yulka; I agree, simple is better as is more elegant and a more direct path to the truth.

a reply to: vethumanbeing

Ill ask a question instead without an answer: Why did the apple cross the street?