Family Research Council Exec Resigns After Confessing to Child Molestation

a reply to: MonkeyFishFrog

For whatever it's worth... just finished reading some comments from various sites posting articles on the topic... seems I'm far from alone in thinking there's a pedo/child porn ring going on. I see others in thread touched on this too.

a reply to: Kali74

Oh I agree that there is something larger at play here. I don't think it is coincidental that the one cop Jim Bob went to about the situation is now in prison for possessing child pornography.

originally posted by: MonkeyFishFrog
a reply to: Anyafaj

The girl's counseling most likely consisted of praying more to God for longer period of times. If they sent the girls for real counseling, the counselor would have had to report it themselves because the girls were still in the house with their abuser.

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One of Josh's victims was 5 at the time. 5. There is nothing sexual or tempting about a 5 year old unless you are a pedophile. What Josh did was not a folly of youth or puberty, but a sick and depraved act. People need to stop defending them and the family that was well aware of everything that was going on in their home.

I completely agree. I was 7 when I was molested, raped, and stalked. So not much older than the youngest in this story. I'm now 45 and it still affects me to this day. I have severe PTSD because of it. Very jumpy, don't like to hug, or be hugged, even by family, and if you come up behind me and touch me without warning, I will jump a mile high. I spook with loud noises, too. I'm in the process of working out a bartering system with a dog trainer to train my dog to be a therapy pet. She's been helping me with my PTSD thus far, so I'd like to go the next step with her. A lot of people do not realize the damage abuse can do to someone, especially when they're young.

originally posted by: MonkeyFishFrog
a reply to: Kali74

Oh I agree that there is something larger at play here. I don't think it is coincidental that the one cop Jim Bob went to about the situation is now in prison for possessing child pornography.

Not to mention the guy who helps train the women, or educate, or whatever it is he does for that church, (Goddard, I believe it is), is now accused of molesting tons of young women and girls, as well now too.

a reply to: Anyafaj

I'm truly sorry to hear about what you are going through. I know someone who went through a similar situation. This is why we need to be vocal and not accept apologists for this kind of behaviour. It needs to end.

originally posted by: MonkeyFishFrog
a reply to: Anyafaj

I'm truly sorry to hear about what you are going through. I know someone who went through a similar situation. This is why we need to be vocal and not accept apologists for this kind of behaviour. It needs to end.

Thank you, I appreciate it. I think had it been a "boys will be boys", both parties would be around the same age. But when you hear one party is around 14/15 and the other is around 4-6, then it's no longer "boys will be boys", it's now molestation, and a crime, and as heartbreaking as the age is, it should be treated as such. I think, in this case, ALL parties should have been in therapy immediately. REAL therapy and not "build a house" therapy. I wonder if Josh had gotten real therapy would there have been less victims? Curious. I wonder if he gets actual therapy and takes Depoprovera, could he curb those urges should they resurface?

And yet Mike Huckabee, Presidential candidate, says that he "Should be forgiven".

Mr Huckabee seems to think that Beyoncé is a bad influence on your kids that should be banned from your home, but is okay hanging out with ADMITTED child molesters.

a reply to: babybunnies

Oh Huckabee is feeling some backlash from even his staunchest supporters. Guess there are some Conservatives out there who do not appreciate the downplaying of molestation.

a reply to: Anyafaj

Speaking of Gothard... it's now getting even bigger.

Addicting Info

Hobby Lobby founders donated several buildings to Gothard for various purposes.

In 2001, the Greens, through a family trust, sold Gothard’s group a 2,250-acre campusin Big Sandy, Texas, for $10. The campus, which has a landing strip and aircraft hangar, now houses the Institute’s International ALERT Academy, a boot camp where young men train in disaster response techniques. The academy also runs a program for girls 15 and older. The website for that program notes that “skirts are required to encourage the girls to remain feminine in an active lifestyle.” The application—under the heading “mental health”—asks girls if they are struggling with “day dreaming,” “fantasy,” or “lustful thoughts.”

In 2000, Hobby Lobby donated a 529,717-square-foot building in Little Rock, Arkansas, to Gothard’s outfit. The company had purchased this property, a former Veterans Affairs building, two years earlier for $299,000. The Institute now runs a prison ministry out of this location, providing curriculum to a faith-based Arkansas Department of Corrections program known as Principles and Applications for Life. For about a decade, according to Gothard, the Institute leased the ground floor of the building for $1 per year to the Little Rock Police Department for use as its downtown station. Now, Gothard says, the police are paying a regular rental fee.

In Nashville, the Institute operates a training center in a former hospital that Gothard says Hobby Lobby purchased for his group. Public records show that in 2005 a corporation affiliated with Hobby Lobbysold the facility to the Institute for $10. TheNashville Business Journalreported that Hobby Lobby bought the building for $3.5 million. It currently houses theEmbassy Institute, where the Institute in Basic Life Principles hosts many seminars.

The Green family, according to Gothard, also “bought a training center in New Zealand and gave it to us.” He says that by providing the institute with these facilities, the Greens and their company “really helps with the bottom line.”

originally posted by: Kali74
a reply to: MonkeyFishFrog

For whatever it's worth... just finished reading some comments from various sites posting articles on the topic... seems I'm far from alone in thinking there's a pedo/child porn ring going on. I see others in thread touched on this too.

The chances of an abuser coming into contact with someone else being a proven abuser by "accident" are ridiculously small. There is something seriously wrong in this situation and if the federal government has any sense (or learned anything from the scandals from other countries) they would have the FBI looking into this and seeing how deep it goes.

There are certain things that cannot be overlooked here - most clearly that numerous adults all "failed to act". Why did they all fail to act? That sounds an awful lot like collusion to me.

How the hell can a cop the guy went to about COVERING UP this very issue be arrested for child abuse images and there NOT BE a full investigation of all these people?

And to all the people claiming he and whoever else involved should just be "forgiven", I don't even know what to say to that. Is it because he's a white Christian conservative?

Does the imagined privilege of the Christian Conservative American even extend to abusing kids?
It's pretty sickening that anyone can think this way.

a reply to: Kali74

Reading that piece makes me more certain that I was right about these people, it's a "Christian" cult, and sexual abuse is ALWAYS present in any cult.

The FBI needs to raid everyone involved with Gothard, the Duggars and the Hobby Lobby company, and they need to do it last week.

How the hell can a cult promoting the idea that sexual abuse of minors is the fault of the minor not be criminal? The examples given in that article are basically EXCUSING child molestation!

a reply to: Rocker2013

We are no where near seeing how far down the rabbit hole goes. We just have to keep exposing what we find. Make it very clear that these kinds of atrocities are ones we will never stand for.

originally posted by: babybunnies
And yet Mike Huckabee, Presidential candidate, says that he "Should be forgiven".

Mr Huckabee seems to think that Beyoncé is a bad influence on your kids that should be banned from your home, but is okay hanging out with ADMITTED child molesters.

As a Christian, I understand where Huckabee is coming from, but as a survivor, I would also advise caution to prevent further abuse. God says to Forgive those that hurt us, He doesn't say we must stay in touch with them so they can continue to hurt us over and over again. If they get help for their demons, and no not "build a house" help, then possibly contact can be made, but only after true help has been received so no further abuse will happen. Even if that means bars separate the victim from the abuser. I know a lot of Christians are supporting Josh right now, but sadly, I think their judgment is being clouded at the moment. I think they're looking at the supposed age he was during the time of the event, and not the age of his victims. It doesn't matter Josh's age. They need to look at the age of his youngest victim. Whether Josh was a teen or not, she was incredibly young.

I was 7 when I was raped by my babysitter. He was 18 and I was molested by his 15 year sister. They lived next door. This went on for a little over a year. It was only after I got an infection that I went to the nurse. SHE told the cops. Not me. I was told that if I said anything my brother, sister, and I would all go into Foster Care and we'd never see my dad again, just like we never saw our mom after she ran out on us. (She took off two years earlier.) So yes, I kept quiet. When the cops showed up at school, they assumed my dad was the one attacking me. They were ready to arrest him. It was only when they said they were going to arrest my dad that I finally spoke up and said who was really attacking me, but before then I had kept quiet the entire time.

They arrested my rapist, but not his sister. He must have made bail because he was home the entire time. Every night, he would stand outside my window while I tried to sleep. I would scream and tell my dad he was there. My dad would go outside, in the middle of the night, and by the time my dad rounded the corner where my window was, my rapist would be in his home next door. This would go on for about 8 months to about a year. Eventually my dad grew tired of the game and we moved. I don't know if it was more for my sanity or his own.

Court determined he was guilty and gave him six months probation. How much of it was the time, 1979, or his dad, Fire Chief of the town, I truly don't know, but for years it gave me massive guilt. It left me feeling it was my fault. I remember his lawyer asking a question of a bathing suit I wore once and a nightgown I had. So even at the age of 7 you get slut shamed. That one took 10 years of therapy to work through, and it DID work, thank God.

Because of the PTSD I have a LOT of blocks of memory completely missing from my life. Some good, most bad. Most dealing with those 2 years. Some days I want to remember, and most days I think to myself there must be a reason my brain doesn't want me to, maybe I should leave well enough alone. The only downside is now I'm beginning to have memory problems in other areas of my life as well. Forgetting appointments, names of things, people's names I knew just hours ago. The more tired I am, the worse it is. I'm thinking of mentioning this to a doctor. I'm not that old, but you never know. I have a LOT of immune problems, to the point where my body even attacks my teeth, so why not my brain as well now.

originally posted by: Kali74
a reply to: Anyafaj

Speaking of Gothard... it's now getting even bigger.

Addicting Info

Hobby Lobby founders donated several buildings to Gothard for various purposes.

In 2001, the Greens, through a family trust, sold Gothard’s group a 2,250-acre campusin Big Sandy, Texas, for $10. The campus, which has a landing strip and aircraft hangar, now houses the Institute’s International ALERT Academy, a boot camp where young men train in disaster response techniques. The academy also runs a program for girls 15 and older. The website for that program notes that “skirts are required to encourage the girls to remain feminine in an active lifestyle.” The application—under the heading “mental health”—asks girls if they are struggling with “day dreaming,” “fantasy,” or “lustful thoughts.”

In 2000, Hobby Lobby donated a 529,717-square-foot building in Little Rock, Arkansas, to Gothard’s outfit. The company had purchased this property, a former Veterans Affairs building, two years earlier for $299,000. The Institute now runs a prison ministry out of this location, providing curriculum to a faith-based Arkansas Department of Corrections program known as Principles and Applications for Life. For about a decade, according to Gothard, the Institute leased the ground floor of the building for $1 per year to the Little Rock Police Department for use as its downtown station. Now, Gothard says, the police are paying a regular rental fee.

In Nashville, the Institute operates a training center in a former hospital that Gothard says Hobby Lobby purchased for his group. Public records show that in 2005 a corporation affiliated with Hobby Lobbysold the facility to the Institute for $10. TheNashville Business Journalreported that Hobby Lobby bought the building for $3.5 million. It currently houses theEmbassy Institute, where the Institute in Basic Life Principles hosts many seminars.

The Green family, according to Gothard, also “bought a training center in New Zealand and gave it to us.” He says that by providing the institute with these facilities, the Greens and their company “really helps with the bottom line.”

I think more and more info is going to start coming out of the woodwork here shortly as all of this starts to come to light. Apparently, it's now coming to light that Josh made an incest joke on TLC during a date with his wife before they married, that his sister and brother, twins, chaperoned. Josh made some comment they should "double date".

The 27-year-old talks about going on a date with his then-fiancee Anna during the show, then called 17 Kids and Counting.

As all Duggars require chaperons for dates, his siblings, twins Jana and John David tagged along to the movie.

'We chose Jana and John David. We thought, "Why not have a double date?" We are from Arkansas!' Josh said while laughing in the clip, which aired in October 2008.

Source

originally posted by: Rocker2013

originally posted by: Kali74
a reply to: MonkeyFishFrog

For whatever it's worth... just finished reading some comments from various sites posting articles on the topic... seems I'm far from alone in thinking there's a pedo/child porn ring going on. I see others in thread touched on this too.

The chances of an abuser coming into contact with someone else being a proven abuser by "accident" are ridiculously small. There is something seriously wrong in this situation and if the federal government has any sense (or learned anything from the scandals from other countries) they would have the FBI looking into this and seeing how deep it goes.

There are certain things that cannot be overlooked here - most clearly that numerous adults all "failed to act". Why did they all fail to act? That sounds an awful lot like collusion to me.

How the hell can a cop the guy went to about COVERING UP this very issue be arrested for child abuse images and there NOT BE a full investigation of all these people?

And to all the people claiming he and whoever else involved should just be "forgiven", I don't even know what to say to that. Is it because he's a white Christian conservative?

Does the imagined privilege of the Christian Conservative American even extend to abusing kids?
It's pretty sickening that anyone can think this way.

Rocker I have no problem with the people being forgiven by God, or their accusers, BUT, they can still be punished in the eyes of the law. Forgiven, not let loose to hurt others, as unfortunately Josh may possibly do in the future. Who's to say.

TLC's sponsors are beginning to drop like flies. General Mills was the first to dump the network after the scandal broke, now Payless Shoes and Choice Hotels have followed suit. Discovery (parent network of TLC) saw a 24% drop in their stock.

This goes to show you that money really does run the world. TLC won't cancel 19 Kids and Counting because of sexual abuse and misconduct but they will once it starts affecting their bottom line. Completely despicable.

These religious fanatics with their constant calls of morality are usually shown to have no moral character at all.
Really, who needs a god to tell them how to behave? People who have no innate sense of right & wrong that's who, dig deep enough with any holier than thou type & you'll find filth.

Oh & more glaring hypocrisy....

Duggar Dad's Political Platform: Incest Should Be Punishable by Death

defamer.gawker.com...

K~

a reply to: MonkeyFishFrog

What he did was reprehensible, and how the family handled it wasn't good, either. That said, that isn't the fault of the FRC, and he resigned from that position. Blame hm, not them. They would have had no way to know about something kept sealed as a juvenile record till recently.

a reply to: LadyGreenEyes

Except for the fact that the FRC likes to insinuate that people of the LGBTQ* community are child predators when they had at least one in their ranks. People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. The FRC needs to be made just as accountable if they are going to continue to lobby under false pretenses and ideology.

originally posted by: aethertek
These religious fanatics with their constant calls of morality are usually shown to have no moral character at all.
Really, who needs a god to tell them how to behave? People who have no innate sense of right & wrong that's who, dig deep enough with any holier than thou type & you'll find filth.

Oh & more glaring hypocrisy....

Duggar Dad's Political Platform: Incest Should Be Punishable by Death

defamer.gawker.com...

K~

Thankfully not all Christians are like this. Only a select few.