Family Research Council Exec Resigns After Confessing to Child Molestation

originally posted by: LadyGreenEyes
a reply to: MonkeyFishFrog

What he did was reprehensible, and how the family handled it wasn't good, either. That said, that isn't the fault of the FRC, and he resigned from that position. Blame hm, not them. They would have had no way to know about something kept sealed as a juvenile record till recently.

FRC is a hate group, it's extremist religious dogma, no better than the Taliban. These are people who would sh*t on your constitution and inflect religious ideology on all the moment they had the chance.

These are people who associate being gay with child molestation.

The fact that this disgusting man was such a senior figure, and the fact that they also cling to the same disgusting dogma, shows just how vile these "Christians" are.

The FRC needs to be disbanded and criminalized as a hate group promoting intolerance and violence against others - all on the basis of religious ignorance.

originally posted by: MonkeyFishFrog
a reply to: LadyGreenEyes

Except for the fact that the FRC likes to insinuate that people of the LGBTQ* community are child predators when they had at least one in their ranks. People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. The FRC needs to be made just as accountable if they are going to continue to lobby under false pretenses and ideology.

The FRC isn't the Duggars. They got rid of him, from all reports, which is what they should have done. If they had kept him on, that would be very different. What he did, he did.

originally posted by: Rocker2013

originally posted by: LadyGreenEyes
a reply to: MonkeyFishFrog

What he did was reprehensible, and how the family handled it wasn't good, either. That said, that isn't the fault of the FRC, and he resigned from that position. Blame hm, not them. They would have had no way to know about something kept sealed as a juvenile record till recently.

FRC is a hate group, it's extremist religious dogma, no better than the Taliban. These are people who would sh*t on your constitution and inflect religious ideology on all the moment they had the chance.

These are people who associate being gay with child molestation.

The fact that this disgusting man was such a senior figure, and the fact that they also cling to the same disgusting dogma, shows just how vile these "Christians" are.

The FRC needs to be disbanded and criminalized as a hate group promoting intolerance and violence against others - all on the basis of religious ignorance.

No, they are not a "hate group" simply because the SPLC, which many consider a hate group, says they are. There are associations between homosexuality and child molestation. NAMBLA, anyone? That's a separate issue, however. Since the records were sealed till recently, the FRC had no way of knowing what had happened.

originally posted by: LadyGreenEyes
There are associations between homosexuality and child molestation. NAMBLA, anyone? That's a separate issue, however. Since the records were sealed till recently, the FRC had no way of knowing what had happened.

Wrong. Homosexuality is attraction to same sex - - that's it. You can just as easily say there are associations between Heterosexuals and child molestation - - especially since the majority of pedophiles molest opposite sex.

Pedophile is sexual attraction to children. The gender often because of availability. When Catholics began allowing girls to attend the alter - - the girls were molested too.

SPLC puts groups on their Hate List for promoting false information. Not simply for being anti-gay.

Now to address some of the issue with the case itself.

First off, there is NO excuse for what he did. No, it isn't typical boy behavior. No, it isn't normal exploration. Normal would be with a willing participant, not a sleeping sibling or another child.

These were children, and he was a teenager. He should have known better. Whether he did or not, it's hard to say, since apparently this bunch teaches some pretty freaky stuff. Some of the crap the subscribe to talks about incidents like this making a person stronger spiritually, which is a crock! Blaming the girls, for how they dress, is equally stupid. First, they were in bed asleep, at least the siblings were. Second, didn't the parents dress their girls in a fashion they believed was acceptable? Add to this, I have yet to hear how he had access to the girl who wasn't a family member. They seem to have a "blame the victim" mentality, while calling hi their "darling", or some such nauseating label. Reading about this is as bad as reading about similar stuff that has happened in some of the FDLS groups, with boys taught the behavior.

On that note, isn't it interesting that the family friend cop they went to, instead of the police station, was later arrested for child porn? What a coincidence...... The whole thing wasn't reported at all to authorities till Oprah's show found out about it, which is inexcusable. The stature of limitations had already run out by the time any official report was made. Claiming they wanted to protect the victims is BS, in my opinion. They wanted to protect Josh, and whoever taught him that behavior. I know of a case where a church member was reported for this sort of abuse, and in that case, it went IMMEDIATELY to the cops, he was arrested, charged, and ended up confessing. No one tried to cover it up. In his case, it was one child, belonging to a family that had considered him a friend, who reported it, but it was stated that there were probably others. I never heard if any more came forward. The guy's son was a kid that didn't really behave well, too, and the mother of the victim and I wondered if he'd learned something at home he should never have seen. It was suspected that he had been after kids in their neighborhood. Again, I never heard if that was proven, but I wouldn't be surprised. He chased and pestered other kids even with adults around, so he'd surely act worse out of sight of the adults. Josh didn't just start doing what he did out of the blue. He learned that somewhere. Likely from porn, and/or seeing someone else doing it. Home schooled, he didn't pick it up from a classmate.

The way the case was handled is wrong on every level. No official report till exposed, no action at all when first reported, and then a lot of excuses, as far as I can tell, when anything at all was done. The counseling he supposedly got, his mother said wasn't real. we never hear what sort of counseling, if any, the girls got, or the response of the parents of the child that wasn't his sister. Based on what I have read, if they subscribed to the stuff it's said they do, the girls got nothing but told it was their fault, and they were better off an "more spiritual" from the experience. That his dad did nothing, and left his daughters at risk, is reprehensible.

That anyone acts as though his stated confession, years after the fact, means he's all past it and truly repentant, ins surreal. Sure, people can be forgiven, and even this sort of sin can be washed away, but we are told years later that was the case, in the face of all the cover ups? I am not at all sure I believe him. Besides, he has a look. Same look some of us noticed in the guy I mentioned above, before we knew.

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: LadyGreenEyes
There are associations between homosexuality and child molestation. NAMBLA, anyone? That's a separate issue, however. Since the records were sealed till recently, the FRC had no way of knowing what had happened.

Wrong. Homosexuality is attraction to same sex - - that's it. You can just as easily say there are associations between Heterosexuals and child molestation - - especially since the majority of pedophiles molest opposite sex.

Pedophile is sexual attraction to children. The gender often because of availability. When Catholics began allowing girls to attend the alter - - the girls were molested too.

SPLC puts groups on their Hate List for promoting false information. Not simply for being anti-gay.

The real issue here is that people are talking more about cross dressers, many of whom are NOT homosexual, going into the wrong restroom. If such a person was a predator, they'd have legal access, which is wrong. Plus, there have been studies that showed a large percentage of homosexual men were molested by men at a young age. No, I don't have a link, and can't locate it now. I used to, but a HD crash ate all my bookmarks.

SPLC is very anti-Christian. Any Christian group that states what the Bible does about homosexuality, they call a "hate group".

a reply to: LadyGreenEyes

I'd agree with everything you just said except maybe the part about where he got his ideas. In this environment I highly doubt there was porn of any kind he could access. I'd say it most likely comes from either his church or other organizations in which him or his family was a part of. Some kind of sexual abuse may very well of happened to him which made him go down this road in an effort to understand those events.

I think the repressive environment which has such regulation when it comes to sex also causes this. When you repress a natural thing like sexuality it will manifest in other ways. When it did he had nobody that he could speak with about it in an open and honest way and who he could talk to was obviously telling him all the wrong things.

Add that to an upbringing where the "male figure is the power over the group" he may have had the idea that such things were possibly ok for him to do. He was the oldest male figure in the household after his father with all siblings, especially the girls under his dominion 2nd to his own father.

Then there is the unavoidable problem of promoting lots and lots of offspring while at the same time repressing information of sexuality. This is going to cause some confusion because it's obvious as to what is happening but you're not allowed to know about it in detail until you're about to do it yourself.

Very good article (project):

It is estimated that approximately 15% of all people report some kind of sexual activity with a sibling in childhood. More specifically, studies have shown that between 2% (Leder, 1991) and 4% (Finkelhor, 1999) of people have been sexually victimized by a sibling as the sexual contact involved some degree of forced or coercive activity.

www.pandys.org...

originally posted by: LadyGreenEyes

SPLC is very anti-Christian. Any Christian group that states what the Bible does about homosexuality, they call a "hate group".

NO.

They are anti-lies and false information.

You don't get on the list for being anti-gay.

originally posted by: LadyGreenEyes

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: LadyGreenEyes
There are associations between homosexuality and child molestation. NAMBLA, anyone? That's a separate issue, however. Since the records were sealed till recently, the FRC had no way of knowing what had happened.

Wrong. Homosexuality is attraction to same sex - - that's it. You can just as easily say there are associations between Heterosexuals and child molestation - - especially since the majority of pedophiles molest opposite sex.

Pedophile is sexual attraction to children. The gender often because of availability. When Catholics began allowing girls to attend the alter - - the girls were molested too.

SPLC puts groups on their Hate List for promoting false information. Not simply for being anti-gay.

The real issue here is that people are talking more about cross dressers, many of whom are NOT homosexual, going into the wrong restroom. If such a person was a predator, they'd have legal access, which is wrong. Plus, there have been studies that showed a large percentage of homosexual men were molested by men at a young age. No, I don't have a link, and can't locate it now. I used to, but a HD crash ate all my bookmarks.

SPLC is very anti-Christian. Any Christian group that states what the Bible does about homosexuality, they call a "hate group".

Men that molest gay boys are pedophiles but that is where any correlation ends. The boys molested didn't turn out to be gay because of the abuse. Pedophiles are adept at sensing out vulnerable victims unlikely to tell on them and a closeted child is pretty much a perfect target.

originally posted by: LadyGreenEyes

The real issue here is that people are talking more about cross dressers, many of whom are NOT homosexual, going into the wrong restroom.

You mean Transgenders?

Plus, there have been studies that showed a large percentage of homosexual men were molested by men at a young age.

You'd need to provide those studies.

Being molested does not make one homosexual.

originally posted by: MonkeyFishFrog

originally posted by: LadyGreenEyes

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: LadyGreenEyes
There are associations between homosexuality and child molestation. NAMBLA, anyone? That's a separate issue, however. Since the records were sealed till recently, the FRC had no way of knowing what had happened.

Wrong. Homosexuality is attraction to same sex - - that's it. You can just as easily say there are associations between Heterosexuals and child molestation - - especially since the majority of pedophiles molest opposite sex.

Pedophile is sexual attraction to children. The gender often because of availability. When Catholics began allowing girls to attend the alter - - the girls were molested too.

SPLC puts groups on their Hate List for promoting false information. Not simply for being anti-gay.

The real issue here is that people are talking more about cross dressers, many of whom are NOT homosexual, going into the wrong restroom. If such a person was a predator, they'd have legal access, which is wrong. Plus, there have been studies that showed a large percentage of homosexual men were molested by men at a young age. No, I don't have a link, and can't locate it now. I used to, but a HD crash ate all my bookmarks.

SPLC is very anti-Christian. Any Christian group that states what the Bible does about homosexuality, they call a "hate group".

Men that molest gay boys are pedophiles but that is where any correlation ends.

Yes - - pedophile is the orientation - - they may commit a homosexual act - - but they are not a homosexual. They are a pedophile.

a reply to: LadyGreenEyes

The real issue here is that people are talking more about cross dressers, many of whom are NOT homosexual, going into the wrong restroom. If such a person was a predator, they'd have legal access, which is wrong.

There's nothing stopping some pervert from dressing like a woman and entering a ladies bathroom for the purpose of attacking women. Thinking that transsexual people are motivated by such a thing is unrealistic. The paranoia should be the other way around.



Would you consider your daughter unsafe sharing a restroom with this individual? Whose more at risk for being assaulted by being forced to use the men's bathroom in the case of the transgender individual above? Can you understand why this individual would be placed in danger by being forced to use the men's room?



If you saw this individual enter a men's room, would you automatically fear for your son's safety? How uncomfortable would you be having to share a restroom with either individual?

I think this article helps clear up not only the terminology being used but also the statistics of who's doing what to whom and the proper terminology to differentiate between them. It also talks about the reliability of such studies and the history of misrepresenting the facts.

Facts About Homosexuality and Child Molestation

originally posted by: mOjOm
I think this article helps clear up not only the terminology being used but also the statistics of who's doing what to whom and the proper terminology to differentiate between them. It also talks about the reliability of such studies and the history of misrepresenting the facts.

Facts About Homosexuality and Child Molestation

WOW! Now this guy, Gregory Herek, has some major credentials.

You should keep this one in your Link Files.

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: LadyGreenEyes

The real issue here is that people are talking more about cross dressers, many of whom are NOT homosexual, going into the wrong restroom.

You mean Transgenders?

Plus, there have been studies that showed a large percentage of homosexual men were molested by men at a young age.

You'd need to provide those studies.

Being molested does not make one homosexual.

My brother in law was molested by a male at the age of 11. He is happily married with 4 children and happily heterosexual. I agree Annee. Being molested by a male doesn't make a male gay, anymore than being raped by a male and being molested by a female made me a lesbian. I'm happily heterosexual.

originally posted by: Anyafaj

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: LadyGreenEyes

The real issue here is that people are talking more about cross dressers, many of whom are NOT homosexual, going into the wrong restroom.

You mean Transgenders?

Plus, there have been studies that showed a large percentage of homosexual men were molested by men at a young age.

You'd need to provide those studies.

Being molested does not make one homosexual.

My brother in law was molested by a male at the age of 11. He is happily married with 4 children and happily heterosexual. I agree Annee. Being molested by a male doesn't make a male gay, anymore than being raped by a male and being molested by a female made me a lesbian. I'm happily heterosexual.

Thank you.

I was once very naive and ignorant on such things.

I know what I know from educating myself, making sure the info comes from a legitimate source.

originally posted by: Annee


Thank you.

I was once very naive and ignorant on such things.

I know what I know from educating myself, making sure the info comes from a legitimate source.

When I was dating, I was worried I was a lesbian because I hadn't connected with anyone. Then I met my ex. The first time he kissed me, I felt chemistry. I swore then and there, that even if he was a jerk, I was going to see how long this relationship would last because I finally felt alive. Within 6 months we got married. A year later, our daughter was born. My mother in law told everyone in the family that I had "trapped" her son. That was one loooong pregnancy then. LOL Whatever. We stayed married for 18 1/2 years before he cheated on me and we divorced. But I was happy for quite a number of them. I have my daughter near by, my dog, so I'm still happy even though I'm divorced. My daughter has been trying to get me to marry Justin Timberlake so that he can pull her on stage and let her show off her singing, dancing and acting "skills". I tried to tell her that he was married and she said I can wait till he's divorced like me. LOL

In all seriousness though, a lot of people do not realize just how much abuse really messes with your head. It's not always guild, or shame. Sometimes it messes with your head in terms of does this now make me gay? Not gay? I now call myself asexual. I'm happy being alone. Because of the abuse I have Vaginismus and Vulvodynia, so it's excruciatingly painful for me to have sex. But half my meds kill the mood anyway, so I'm ok with that.

originally posted by: Anyafaj
My daughter has been trying to get me to marry Justin Timberlake so that he can pull her on stage and let her show off her singing, dancing and acting "skills". I tried to tell her that he was married and she said I can wait till he's divorced like me. LOL

LOL - - well tell your daughter my daughter worked with him and said he is very nice.

originally posted by: mOjOm
a reply to: LadyGreenEyes

I'd agree with everything you just said except maybe the part about where he got his ideas. In this environment I highly doubt there was porn of any kind he could access. I'd say it most likely comes from either his church or other organizations in which him or his family was a part of. Some kind of sexual abuse may very well of happened to him which made him go down this road in an effort to understand those events.

Well, the porn or abuse or whatever didn't have to come from the household itself, and could have come from a family friend. We know the trooper friend had it around.

originally posted by: mOjOm
I think the repressive environment which has such regulation when it comes to sex also causes this. When you repress a natural thing like sexuality it will manifest in other ways. When it did he had nobody that he could speak with about it in an open and honest way and who he could talk to was obviously telling him all the wrong things.

There is teaching good moral behavior, and then there is over the top ridiculous, which is where they seem to fall in. My kids are all raised knowing the facts, and also being told what sort of behavior is expected. The oldest, not the best behaved kid in the world, with all her issues, still waited for her husband. Not being able to talk about any issues wold be hard for a teen, especially if he was already confused by some abuse, or porn, or something. Mine know they can always talk to me about anything. Clearly, he didn't have that option.

originally posted by: mOjOm
Add that to an upbringing where the "male figure is the power over the group" he may have had the idea that such things were possibly ok for him to do. He was the oldest male figure in the household after his father with all siblings, especially the girls under his dominion 2nd to his own father.

The beliefs they push are indeed fringe, and ell beyond anything the Bible actually states. It really bugs me when that sort of thing becomes so widespread, and accepted by so many people. They are fringe, sure, but that teaching does have numbers. The dominion business is certainly a part. I suspect that's a huge part of why his dad didn't do anything when the issue was first reported, too. As in, maybe he didn't see a problem, till others heard about it, and he had to act. Checking out clips from the show (which I never watched), there is a seriously creepy factor to the whole bunch.

originally posted by: mOjOm
Then there is the unavoidable problem of promoting lots and lots of offspring while at the same time repressing information of sexuality. This is going to cause some confusion because it's obvious as to what is happening but you're not allowed to know about it in detail until you're about to do it yourself.

Yes! What did they tell the kids, that the babies came from a stork? My younger set knows better, though they think it's all "disgusting" still, but they know the facts. In the past, any kid not in an urban setting would have known from the livestock! No mystery, so far less temptation to explore and find out details on their own.

a reply to: Annee

That's, as I said, not the topic here, so not going there in this thread.