U.S. Citizens! When is enough, ENOUGH?

originally posted by: fixitwcw
a reply to: pteridine

i would propose that it creates it's own revenue, not from extortion and taxes, but by using it's influence and connections to actually EARN honest money, from various businesses that it creates and invests in. i envision a government that will put ANYONE to work, for a living wage. no handouts, food stamps, unemployment.... only a place where you can go to do a type of work you are able to do. everyone puts into the system and everyone benefits.

How does private industry compete with a government backed industry? There is precedent in your ideas; the Soviet Union achieved some of these goals.

originally posted by: Rocker2013

originally posted by: TheNewRevolution
A democracy is mob rule. The wills of the 51% being shoved down the throats of the 49%. How would revolution to enforce our beliefs be any different?

You have every opportunity to debate and encourage a change of social attitude and opinion, yet instead, because you know you won't get that support, you want "revolution" instead.

You are absolutely no different to any other radical ideological or religious group out there.
In a democracy you get to express your support for things, debate against things, encourage discussion about issues and influence change, THAT'S DEMOCRACY.

Your notion is instead to directly remove what the majority of people actually vote for (the process itself, the right for people to elect those who represent their best interests and those of society), to be replaced by your ideology, through force.

That's terrorism, no matter how much you want to attempt to redefine it.

People like you seem to think this society has been imposed on us, and you seem to believe you are a product of something else. Reminder, you are a product of our society. Our societies have evolved over hundreds of years to become the messy democracies they now are, you think this was all imposed on people?

I tell you what, try going to an African nation and telling the parents there how terribly oppressed you are, with your education, your media, your hospitals, your roads, your running water and your electricity.

Try telling them how "dictatorship" is ruining your life and freedoms while they watch their neighbours being beaten to death by a "revolutionary".

Try telling them how awful it is to live in the evil west with the best quality of health care in the world, while their newborn dies a slow death from Malaria, which could have been prevented by spending less than you spent on a pack of gum.

You really don't get how f-ing privileged you are.

If the brainwashed become the majority as it seems is the case, I will have no choice but to revolt. I'm sure you can see the logic in that. I can open minds with the truth in certain things but it's hard to fight the brainwashing. Most don't care as long as it doesn't affect them in the moment. When it does affect them, they will be ready to join the revolution. Have a nice day!

a reply to: Rocker2013

Problem is that we were born and raised to be "exceptional" here in America. The "American Dream", "skies the limit", and all that jazz, all those fuzzy little anecdotes to make us feel good.

But those lines carry a heavy asterisk a big government weight of regulations, theft of your earnings, forced programs, and countless miles of red tape that not a single one of us born today ever agreed to. We live under the laws and doctrine of past generations who were corrupted by dollar signs and even for us to get up and simply leave this place we have to join the system for a time to get there.

Worst of all, you're right. This is a Democracy even though we are supposed to be a Constitutional Republic. The two, maybe in your eyes are the same and my point may be lost on you but recognize the core difference: one is run by majority rule, the other is run by collective rule.

The only reason you are happy with the system is because you are part of the majority rule. If you were part of the others you would be singing a very different tune.

originally posted by: fixitwcw
Why not when FDR held office for almost four terms when the law says two?

Shows how much you know.... the law did not say a President could only serve 2 terms! That law was passed after he was dead.

a reply to: hellobruce

my mistake. i admit when i am wrong. something others should do as well. care to refute anything else, or offer your opinion on the matter?

originally posted by: TheNewRevolution
The only reason you are happy with the system is because you are part of the majority rule. If you were part of the others you would be singing a very different tune.

First of all, I'm British.

Second, what "others" are you talking about?
Please detail how your government is abusing you, dictating anything, or limiting your freedoms and rights.

Really, I want to know what the complaint is here, because I'm betting there isn't one.

a reply to: pteridine

i am not running for office. i just hate to see my country so far from what made it great. there are better men than me who should answer this question. maybe it would inspire innovation the likes this world has never seen. how else could the soviets compete with the us for so long? necessity. the government makes the rules. if a just government made a monopoly of military matters, as it has already done, would the situation be any different than it already is? they set the price, so they could set it so others could compete.

originally posted by: LOSTinAMERICA
If the brainwashed become the majority as it seems is the case, I will have no choice but to revolt. I'm sure you can see the logic in that.

There is no logic in that.
What makes you right?
What gives you the right to imagine that everyone who wants a stable society and decent life under democratically elected government is "brainwashed"?

You really don't see how extreme you sound?
If anyone here is brainwashed it's you.

originally posted by: LOSTinAMERICA
I can open minds with the truth in certain things but it's hard to fight the brainwashing. Most don't care as long as it doesn't affect them in the moment. When it does affect them, they will be ready to join the revolution. Have a nice day!

And as these things are not affecting millions of free citizens living decent lives your fantastical "revolution" will never happen, and that's what you're so angry about.

This isn't about people being "brainwashed", it's that you just don't want to admit that you are a minority, that most people actually enjoy their lives, their comforts, their healthy kids and their careers. Most people understand how good they have it, regardless of the little obstacles that come up now and then.

Life can be good, life can be tough, blaming your "evil government" for everything that's wrong in your life is not what most sane and rational people do.

a reply to: Rocker2013

the others he is talking about are the majority. you know, the 51% in a "democratic" society.

a reply to: fixitwcw

As you can see, the attitude you've seen is exactly what I'm talking about. Someone so comfortable with the complete dysfunction and erosion of our rights, that anyone whom argues for revolution or change is an extremist.

That's why I hold to the fact that it will never happen. It's too scary for some people to acknowledge how broken things really are. Therefore denial and ignorence is bliss.

a reply to: EternalSolace

i kenw from the get go that most americans are at least complacent with the government we have. i mean, in what other country can you make a better living from government handouts than by working hard? it is an uphill battle for sure, but i can't just give up.

originally posted by: fixitwcw
or offer your opinion on the matter?

You do not know how lucky you are, being able to have a little whine about small things. people are starving and living very poorly in other countries, and would express wonderment at what you are complaining about!

i think most citizens know they are living in a lifeboat,
but dont want to see it as a lifeboat.
they prefer to see it as a yacht.
when you talk to people you will get a nervous roll of the eyes and, dont rock the boat!

a reply to: Dimithae

We are addressing the root cause which is big corporate money.
The helping of people is just a collateral benefit on the road to creating businesses that will fund the change.
To fight big corporate money you need to become big corporate money which a hybrid nonprofit can accomplish pretty quickly.
www.forbes.com...
www.nonprofithub.org... it-business-models/

Again, our first launch is a union commercial contractor business. We have construction management degrees and the experience to pull that off. When we donate back our profits we become tax free. Think about that locally with coffee shacks, recording studio, live sound company and whatever else we get into.
We have been designing tiny homes and been working with other organizations too.
We want to be able to introduce a mandatory minimum sentence law for cops and politicians that break the law in my state through ballot measure.
We are creating a super PAC that places the People and Environment first that places our own people in government.
It is a Revolution.

a reply to: fixitwcw

Well, we all have opinions. I'm not sure what your point is. You sound angry.

I'm getting to the age where I want to be happy and not let things get to me. Chill out. It's not productive to be angry, and it's not good for your heart.

a reply to: pteridine

Your comparison didn't go nearly far enough. You are responding to a statement supporting communism, remember? We fought a 30 year cold war to defeat communism.

I have also read too many Progressive Utopian posts here that I should address. People, we live in a "REPUBLIC", not a Democracy. We elect our representatives by a democratic process to "SUPPORT AND DEFEND THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES". Not to just do the bidding of the majority. They take an oath to and are bound to the "CONSTITUTION". Get it people? The "CONSTITUTION", remember? That document our founding fathers wrote? The one our past and current politicians are doing their best to destroy?

All of this Progressive Utopian bull is not and never will be reality. I do not understand that people just can not grasp the reality that EVIL exists and Rules until their oppression finally overwhelms the majority and the majority finally sees that they are being laughed at and manipulated to support THEIR evil objectives.

Well, it's blatantly obvious that the situation will only get worse as the global population grows. Science has eliminated natural selection and the global population is getting dumber by the minute.

well, we are "drifting" back to my real question. i am trying to understand my fellow american. what would be the "final straw" that makes you feel like standing up and fighting back, be it politically, physically, or whatever. i want to know my countrymens breaking point. when does political activism in some form become more important than the life you lead today????????????

a reply to: CharlesT

who made the statement supporting communism? moi? i seem to remember the democratic party enveloping the communists/socialists some time ago.