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originally posted by: pteridine
a reply to: fixitwcw What is your vision for the country when the existing government has been over thrown?
originally posted by: Rocker2013
You have every opportunity to debate and encourage a change of social attitude and opinion, yet instead, because you know you won't get that support, you want "revolution" instead.
You are absolutely no different to any other radical ideological or religious group out there.
In a democracy you get to express your support for things, debate against things, encourage discussion about issues and influence change, THAT'S DEMOCRACY.
Your notion is instead to directly remove what the majority of people actually vote for (the process itself, the right for people to elect those who represent their best interests and those of society), to be replaced by your ideology, through force.
That's terrorism, no matter how much you want to attempt to redefine it.
People like you seem to think this society has been imposed on us, and you seem to believe you are a product of something else. Reminder, you are a product of our society. Our societies have evolved over hundreds of years to become the messy democracies they now are, you think this was all imposed on people?
I tell you what, try going to an African nation and telling the parents there how terribly oppressed you are, with your education, your media, your hospitals, your roads, your running water and your electricity.
Try telling them how "dictatorship" is ruining your life and freedoms while they watch their neighbours being beaten to death by a "revolutionary".
Try telling them how awful it is to live in the evil west with the best quality of health care in the world, while their newborn dies a slow death from Malaria, which could have been prevented by spending less than you spent on a pack of gum.
You really don't get how f-ing privileged you are.
originally posted by: hellobruce
originally posted by: fixitwcw
or offer your opinion on the matter?
You do not know how lucky you are, being able to have a little whine about small things. people are starving and living very poorly in other countries, and would express wonderment at what you are complaining about!
originally posted by: nenothtu
originally posted by: pteridine
a reply to: fixitwcw What is your vision for the country when the existing government has been over thrown?
I can't answer for fixitwcw, but I can give you my vision for it.
Power flow from the people upward, rather than the state downward. Local polities having more power, right where those affected by that power have the most say in how it is wielded, gradually weakening upward along the food chain, through county and state to federal, with the federal government having the least influence over the daily lives of the people of all. Putting the federal government back within the boundaries it was created to exist in - mostly just mediation of interstate disputes, and foreign affairs.
No more standing federal army to threaten the states and ultimately the people with. DoD to be relegated to a coordination office between state militaries. Local and state control of local and state police to be returned to their respective jurisdictions, rather than DHS. Abolish DHS - we don't need it. Abolish the FBI. We don't need that, either. limit DoJ to actual federal concerns.
Let the states revert to actually being "states", in deed as well as name, rather than mere counties of the federal government. That's how a "Federation" actually is supposed to work - a federation of states, rather than a mega-state of it's own.
It just makes more sense to me to allow people to have the ultimate power in determining their own destinies and a far away government to have far, far less influence over daily lives they never even see. that would involve a bottom-up approach to power.
Think of the US as a "pyramid" - large base (population) tapering to a fine point (federal government). The power structure we have at the moment is entirely upside down - large power at the top (federal government), little or none at the bottom (the people).
It can't balance on that tiny point forever.
originally posted by: pianoasis
I feel like starting a violent uprising will cause more harm than good. I am part of the new generation and I for one have plans to peacefully disown the reigning regime. I believe this is the best course of action. If we simply disconnect from the corporations and evil organizations (Monsanto, for one) they will destroy themselves. Although, If the regime takes action against us, I have the tools necessary to fight. I believe this is how the bulk of my awakened generation feels.
originally posted by: WeAreAWAKE
My final straw has already broken my back. But there aren't enough others to form the beginning of a revolution. Just as the government has always planned, we are mostly slugs, leeches and ticks sucking on the blood of every other citizen and praising the evil government for the money they take from some, and give to others.
I've given up with the exception of my voice. We will be checkmated in the coming few years.
originally posted by: Entreri06
originally posted by: nenothtu
originally posted by: pteridine
a reply to: fixitwcw What is your vision for the country when the existing government has been over thrown?
I can't answer for fixitwcw, but I can give you my vision for it.
Power flow from the people upward, rather than the state downward. Local polities having more power, right where those affected by that power have the most say in how it is wielded, gradually weakening upward along the food chain, through county and state to federal, with the federal government having the least influence over the daily lives of the people of all. Putting the federal government back within the boundaries it was created to exist in - mostly just mediation of interstate disputes, and foreign affairs.
No more standing federal army to threaten the states and ultimately the people with. DoD to be relegated to a coordination office between state militaries. Local and state control of local and state police to be returned to their respective jurisdictions, rather than DHS. Abolish DHS - we don't need it. Abolish the FBI. We don't need that, either. limit DoJ to actual federal concerns.
Let the states revert to actually being "states", in deed as well as name, rather than mere counties of the federal government. That's how a "Federation" actually is supposed to work - a federation of states, rather than a mega-state of it's own.
It just makes more sense to me to allow people to have the ultimate power in determining their own destinies and a far away government to have far, far less influence over daily lives they never even see. that would involve a bottom-up approach to power.
Think of the US as a "pyramid" - large base (population) tapering to a fine point (federal government). The power structure we have at the moment is entirely upside down - large power at the top (federal government), little or none at the bottom (the people).
It can't balance on that tiny point forever.
The states having power doesn't equal the people having power. IMHO this is maybe the biggest fallacy in politics. The thought that the state is for the people but the federal government is against them. I have been hasseled WAY more by the state. Hell, I don't think I've ever been hasseled by the Feds. All the police state stuff is state. All the unarmed deaths, all the police extortion thru minor traffic infractions and the list goes on and on. While the Feds are feeding the poor and providing SOME protection from the police state. Both are robbing us blind....
Why is the state the answer?
I see how it could be.. But so could the fed. Not that either are anywhere near perfect.
originally posted by: OpinionatedB
a reply to: nenothtu
The government doesn't need overthrown, just mostly fired and replaced with officials who will do the job they were elected to do.
BUT, the people don't want that, they are enjoying the status quo, handing over their constitutional rights as if those rights were candy to be given away and not needed, willing to take another persons rights away from them because no one but them deserves to have any rights in their eyes....
people are trying to destroy the constitution with all they have... and so long as the majority doesn't care a whit for that constitution, so long as the majority is happy with the way things are.. then those officials will keep on doing a different job than one which upholds the constitution..
originally posted by: pianoasis
I feel like starting a violent uprising will cause more harm than good. I am part of the new generation and I for one have plans to peacefully disown the reigning regime. I believe this is the best course of action. If we simply disconnect from the corporations and evil organizations (Monsanto, for one) they will destroy themselves. Although, If the regime takes action against us, I have the tools necessary to fight.
I believe this is how the bulk of my awakened generation feels.
originally posted by: SheopleNation
originally posted by: pianoasis
I feel like starting a violent uprising will cause more harm than good. I am part of the new generation and I for one have plans to peacefully disown the reigning regime. I believe this is the best course of action. If we simply disconnect from the corporations and evil organizations (Monsanto, for one) they will destroy themselves. Although, If the regime takes action against us, I have the tools necessary to fight. I believe this is how the bulk of my awakened generation feels.
You have righteous intentions, but your tools will do nothing for you against such a powerful foe. Do you understand who your biggest enemy is my friend? Your biggest enemy is the plague of stupidity, and that plague is growing every single day. Every single day the number of slaves grow.
You see, the deciders have opened the flood gates for decades to make sure that the easily and misled will always outnumber the educated, informed and intelligent. This is not a new idea, it's an ancient system of subjugation.
~$heopleNation