Many people have talked for years about the abuse of the Cathlic Church. Many people are concerned about the issue of children. Some people believe that the church is home to many sexual deviants and stalkers. Recently many people's beliefs have been confirmed by the lastest scandals rocking the Cathlic Church, and now rocking the Vatican itself.

For the Evil One, the wanna be Pope they call John the Second has defied man and defied God. I don't think that any excuses are viable for the 'Pope's' recent decision. Those who don't know about his decision must know what may not ever be told. They say that he didn't acept the resignation of the Bishop who admitted that he was helping these sexual deviants within the Church to destroy and rape the human souls looking for God.

I hear many people looking for an excuse. Many people want to justifiy this act. Yet they can't possibly find justice in this decision of the wanna be Pope. For no man of God would let the world know he is for this sexual slavery and mind-controlled indoctrination. It is now time to show these devils who they really are. "They" act like nothing is wrong. "They" don't even seem to worry that much. It isn't a problem. Why????

Cause no one cares.

Like I said before, everyone has an excuse. No one wants to take responsibility.

Who should be responsibile???

The innocent child???

Or you???

It's odd, and it's nothing knew.

The Church has had sex scandals for at least 100 years because Mark Twain was complaining about how preists would have sex with young women in the confessionals.

is a false religion, it is idoltry. Where do you think Saint Worship originated. And on false religions, it only seems that the false ones are in the minority. As it was, Christians started as a cult. As do ALL religions, learn about them all, so you know what to look out for. and even learn from the best of them, but choose your our beliefs. Thats something even the wisest man has to say, thinking for ones self puts one above the herd.

I would tend to think that it goes back well over 100 years. Satanic sacrifice goes back til the times that Satan was first known to the mortals. That time can't even really be determined due to the fact that we are just one people in one planet in one solar system of millions upon billions of other galaxies and what not. So the concepts of child crimes aganist their minds, hearts, and souls are not just confined to a time period of just recent but of time in itself. The Church has always been known, because there has always been someone there to preach the 'gospel'.

However, I am one to believe that the only gospel comes from God himself, and God speaks through no words upon no pages. Pages of what???

Himself???

Tell me, does one ever read the philosopher Spinoza???


Abraham

All religions have homosexuals and peadophiles along with murderes, thiefs, liers, adulteres and all the other bad traits of society in general. Its not just the Catholic Church, niether did these acts originate in the Catholic church, they have been around for years.

The priests are just normal men remember, like you and me, not super human, nor saints, and in many cases not good role models. Why must people hold personalities over princibles. The amount of sex offenders in the church is minimal compared to the entire population. This is just another case of tall poppy syndrome.

Still, serious this is, be concerned with your own communities first. And leave Catholicsism problems to the Catholics. They not perfect as are the non-catholics.

Also Catholics do not, will not and have never worshipped Mary or the saints. They only revere them, they are not divine or in a class to be worshipped like God in the three fold trinity.

They do pray to them for help and strenght, and hold remembrance occasions to remember the values that a particular saint stands for and exibited in their lives. They are the real role-models of the church.

My point is this:


The Cathlic Church, or the Vatican to be more specific, has accepted that this sexual corruption is part of there soceity. Otherwise the Bishop who has been covering this all up would have been outcasted. But instead he is encouraged to stay. What does that say to the young boys and girls out there, or even the grown up ones for that matter???

What does that say to the victims???

It says that the Pope is with the abuser.

That is what it says.

My points were made above stating that this isn't foreign to any other entity. I said quite clearly that this corruption extended well beyond the times of any church. I stated that this corruption began when the corruptors began to speak the so-called gospel.

Ever since the so-called 'Word' was preached there have been the corruptors of men and women who have innocent hearts and souls. That type of corruption is vast and isn't abound to one vice or one sinner.


You See?

[Edited on 5-6-2003 by Abraham Virtue]

Catholic reguard the personal life's and the Church live of parishoners and the clergy as mutually exclusive. He may be a good Bishop in his teaching of the doctrine of the faith but his personal life is something else to be considered.

Do not judge. Just because he's a bishop does not gaurantee entry to heaven, he will be judged by his creator like all off us.

Holding him accountable and evicting him from the church will not stop his bad doings, maybe only encourage him.

It is sad and probably should be addressed in another way, but what way would be the right way religiously, would be the question.

Just remember he will be judged by a higer power than the pope in the Vatican or the value calls of individuals, and or communities in society.

Originally posted by Maddas
Catholic reguard the personal life's and the Church live of parishoners and the clergy as mutually exclusive. He may be a good Bishop in his teaching of the doctrine of the faith but his personal life is something else to be considered.

Do not judge. Just because he's a bishop does not gaurantee entry to heaven, he will be judged by his creator like all off us.

Holding him accountable and evicting him from the church will not stop his bad doings, maybe only encourage him.

It is sad and probably should be addressed in another way, but what way would be the right way religiously, would be the question.

Just remember he will be judged by a higer power than the pope in the Vatican or the value calls of individuals, and or communities in society.

I just wish that something could be done about this. I understand that outcasting him from his practice won't help, but I also think that keeping him there is even worse. If he is kept in the church than his actions need to be critized and they need to be publicly addressed.

Basically the only way to solve this dispute is for the Pope to speak about it. Which we can't possibly expect him to ever do. I don't know about solutions. I wish I did.

Unfortonately, I don't think that you can make crimes of this nature justified or accepted in any way in any form.

This type of corruption will never be forgiven by the untrusting soul. Those that are victims of this crime are often lacking trust. Just see for yourself. This is not something that can be solved over night, or even over time. This is a matter for God, as you clearly stated.


Abraham

Someone can be a Christian without beeing a catholic.

Often, I wonder if they are reading the Bible in the Vatican.

Originally posted by ADVISOR
is a false religion, it is idoltry. Where do you think Saint Worship originated. And on false religions, it only seems that the false ones are in the minority. As it was, Christians started as a cult. As do ALL religions, learn about them all, so you know what to look out for. and even learn from the best of them, but choose your our beliefs. Thats something even the wisest man has to say, thinking for ones self puts one above the herd.

Exactly.

Originally posted by Maddas
All religions have homosexuals and peadophiles.

I've never heard of a Muslim homosexual. Have you?

Originally posted by Illmatic67

I've never heard of a Muslim homosexual. Have you?

Oh yes, I often heard about them. The last one was the gay lover of the Paris Mayor, Bertrand Delanoye.

But don't worry, the media kept the silence on his homosexual loveaffair with a muslim.

Well there's a difference between calling yourself a Muslim and actually being a true Muslim.

Your not part of the dinner table unless your eating.

Originally posted by Illmatic67
Well there's a difference between calling yourself a Muslim and actually being a true Muslim.

Your not part of the dinner table unless your eating.

I know you right Illmatic67. But there is a place in my town, who's called ( the place, not my town )" l'ile au pédés " ( Gays Island ). More than 60% of the peoples who are going there are North-Africans. Of course, I don't of if they are all muslims or not. The last 40% are westerners, and I can't tell you they are all catholics or budhists or jews.

What are you saying 67, that a gay muslim is a real muslim???

That is not right.

All muslims are muslims.

There are no exceptions.


Abe

As Illmatic67 like to say and think, I'm not a kuran specialist. But I know that homosexuality is not allowed by the Kuran. So, if Illmatic67 is a real muslim, he can't be " pro-gay ". He just can't. Like a real Christian can't be " pro-gay ".

Religion is not like politic. You can't say : " Oh yeah, I agree with this, but I don't agree with that "

Originally posted by Abraham Virtue
What are you saying 67, that a gay muslim is a real muslim???

That is not right.

All muslims are muslims.

There are no exceptions.


Abe

AV, I think you should go back and read my post carefully. I said a gay Muslim is not a real Muslim. UP is right, the Qur'an is against homosexuality and it is a sin.

All Muslims are not Muslims, your wrong.

Osama bin Laden is not a true Muslim.
gay Muslims are not true Muslims.

Usama Bin Laden isn't a muslim. He never was.

There is a difference between being born into something by heritage, and actually seeking it out with one's heart content. Being a true muslim isn't what you might think.

Being a true christian isn't what you might think either.

If anyone listens to what the bible says up and down, then they are only losing faith.

The real faith is a personal connection to God.

The story of Abraham teaches us that.

Maybe you should read up, huh???

Then again, why bother???

It's not like God wrote the book.

Do you really think that the Bible or the Koran is the true word of God???

The Word of God is not bound in pages.

Don't underestimate the power of your God.

Not muslims' God.

Your God.

The religious indoctrination of the church is controlled by Satanists. For they wrote the books. They are the ones who tell you to fear God, hate the unbelievers, and do onto women as you do.

God would never treat men, women and children so.

God is better then that.

God knows that he is not a destroyer.

So should you.

Satan is the destroyer.

Not God.

God welcomes the life.

All life.

Even Satan.

God is above all.

And always will be.




You See?

[Edited on 6-6-2003 by Abraham Virtue]

[Edited on 6-6-2003 by Abraham Virtue]

Saint hood started way back in the Old Testament.....
Saints are men who lead good lives and did everything for God.They perfected their lives through prayers and fasting....they became Saints because of 'martyredom' or because of their loveof God.....They are called for in Prayer to intercede for us.......although we do and can pray to God........we ask for their prayers for they are alive with God.....there is no death in the second death....bodily death..

Judge not and you shall not be judged....
Yes there are many priests out there that do what they want .......but it is not for us to judge....For they will be judged more harshly for being in the place they're at....
There have been many changes made within the Roman Catholic church......The reformation is one .......western Europe went through the reformation ........and the Roman Cathoilc church went along...

Being a Christian does not make one a true Christian in God's eyes.......maybe we can fool the people but we cannot fool God.....

Being Gay is considered a sin........If one cannot see this as a sin.....then one cannot be helped..
All sin is bad in God's eyes........Whether one has one or many sins it is for us to acknowledge one's fault and ask for forgiveness.
eg.......When we do wrong to anther person,we want their forgiveness......if one is feeling guilty,then one asks another friend to put a good word in for us........we go through a mediator.....we then feel it proper to face that person we wronged.......
If one cannot admit their sin, then how can one be helped?
Many people do not know they sin because it is 'sin' that has taken over ......they feel it is of no conseqeunce and therefore do not seek help.....
The vatican.....i really do not know much about .....i have read bits and pieces ,but i do know that the Roman Catholic church has ''modernized'' their church for living in the world today......
The Bible has been changed so much as to not offend certain people today.......
Why change something that is History?
God has not changed!
Therefore the words of the Bible should not be changed!

Your perception into God and the Bible is wacked.

The Bible wasn't written by God.

That is where people go wrong.

The Bible is written by Jews.

That is why they are quote, "God's people.", but we all know how much of a lie that is.

For everyone is God's people, including the sinners.

I agree with some of your views on sin, but one has got me throwed.

Why is it that being gay is a sin to you???



Abraham

The world is corrupt. It's the nature of man and something all of us have to deal with in one way or another.